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CIAN MAGENTA YALLOW BLACK<br />
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gamodis samSabaTobiT N23 (154) 28.6.201<br />
.2016 fasi 2 lari<br />
`antrikota~...<br />
gv. 7<br />
ratom ar<br />
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gv. 8<br />
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gv. 14<br />
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grZeldeboda da am<br />
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lugaris centri Turqebma<br />
aaSenes, qarTvelebi mSeneblobas<br />
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mouwevs gadasvla. 2014 welsve<br />
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sakiTxi. erovnuli saakreditacio<br />
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ramdenad gamodgeba igi saeqsportod?<br />
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iuri nozaZis „nou hau” iyo is,<br />
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xSirad pirdapir eubneboda,<br />
_ sul ar mainteresebs kanonio.<br />
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_ eqsportze gasatan produqcias<br />
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Tqva, roca laboratoriis erovnul<br />
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N23(154) 28.6-4.7.2016 w.<br />
oTar danelia<br />
gareSe. aseT SemTxvevaSi Sesabamisobis<br />
damadasturebeli<br />
dokumenti warmodgenili unda<br />
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saqarTvelos mTavroba gansazRvravs.<br />
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wlis 7 marts, maSindel premier-ministr<br />
biZina ivaniSvilis<br />
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gamosca da kanonis Sesabamisad,<br />
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nusxa gansazRvra, romelTa teqnikuri<br />
reglamentebi saqarTveloSi<br />
samoqmedod aris daSvebuli.<br />
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Statebic. saministros laboratorias<br />
akretidacia miani-<br />
Wa amerikulma makreditebelma<br />
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laboratoria xels ar aZlevda,<br />
amitomac anCxli bavSviviT gabrazebulma<br />
am sakiTxze gamarTuli<br />
Sexvedra miatova da, _ kanoni<br />
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_ gamoacxada. Cveni wyaros informaciiT,<br />
iuri nozaZesTan am<br />
detalebze saubars aranairi<br />
azri ar aqvs, igi gaocebuli saxiT<br />
ismens kanonis muxlebis ganmartebebs.<br />
metic, manve laboratoriis<br />
maSindel xelmZRvanels<br />
megobrulad urCia, _ ratom<br />
jiutobT, qalbatono lali?<br />
gagekeTebinaT ise, rogorc<br />
ministri geubnebaT, ra iciT,<br />
vis ugorebs koWso...<br />
ministris mier koWis gagorebam<br />
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daiares da erTi dakalibrebuli<br />
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ar Sediodnen. dava didi xnis<br />
ganmavlobaSi mimdinareobda,<br />
saqmeSi ekonomikis saministro<br />
da amJamindeli sagareo saqme-<br />
Ta ministri papuna janeliZec<br />
iyo CarTuli. soflis meurneobis<br />
saministros ministris moadgile<br />
levan daviTaSvili warmoadgenda<br />
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Semosavali 120 aTasi<br />
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romlis gamoc ekonomikis saministrom<br />
naxevari weli unda daxarjos?<br />
es is dargia, sadac araferi<br />
muSaobs garda erTisa, _<br />
esaa saerTaSoriso akreditacia.<br />
ekonomikis saministro ki<br />
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erovnuli akreditaciis<br />
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swored am procesSi levan daviTaSvili<br />
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Tanamdebobidan laboratoriis<br />
xelmZRvaneli?!<br />
da ras saqmianobs iuri nozaZe soflis<br />
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gagrZeleba „qronika+”-is<br />
momdevno nomerSi<br />
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ar vici ratom, magram rogorc<br />
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damoukidebeli mizezebis gamo, swored „qronika+”-s daukav-<br />
Sirda, _ Cvens ofisSi motanili deputat eka beselias firis<br />
gamo gela Rurwkaia da misi Tanamzraxvelebi swored Cemi gancxadebiT<br />
daakaves. jerjerobiT, internetsivrceSi atvirTu-<br />
li piradi firebis Taobaze gamoZieba arafers gveubneba.<br />
„Tqveni meSveobiT gavrcelda”,<br />
_ es frazac biZina ivaniSvils<br />
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rom Cven Soris arsebuli civi<br />
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gaetana, miT ufro, araferi<br />
msgavsi ar momxdara da arc<br />
faqts moigonebda. miuxedavad<br />
amisa, Tu vinmes, Tundac, aralegitimuri<br />
eWvi aqvs, samarTaldamcveli<br />
uwyebisTvis „qronika+”-is<br />
ofisis kari nebismier<br />
dros Riaa.<br />
daanonsebuli jojoxeTis<br />
mowyobas, CemTvis sruliad moulodnelad,<br />
e. w. politpatimris,<br />
ramaz gagniZis Zma gamoexmaura.<br />
valerian gagniZe aSS-s moqalaqea.<br />
am intervius mere me piradad<br />
ramaz gagniZis misamarTiT<br />
kiTxvebi ar gamaCnia, mxolod im<br />
adamianebis azri mainteresebs,<br />
romlebsac ramaz gagniZe am dromde<br />
usamarTlobasTan mebrZoli<br />
raindi hgoniaT.<br />
„qronika+” valerian gagniZ-<br />
es esaubreba:<br />
_ me gaxlavarT val ireli _<br />
warsulSi valerian gagniZe, eTnikurad<br />
qarTveli, magram dRes<br />
amerikis moqalaqe...<br />
_ Tqven xarT politpatimar<br />
ramaz gagniZis Zma...<br />
_ mogaxsenebT, rom sityva politpatimari<br />
misTvis sruliad<br />
zedmetia, iseve rogorc politrepresirebuli.<br />
ramdenadac me<br />
ojaxis wevri var, laparaki gvaqvs<br />
ojaxis yofil wevrze. misi<br />
istoria Tu vinmem icis, dawyebuli<br />
bavSvobidan dRevandelobamde,<br />
erT-erTi TvalnaTeli<br />
mowme var. SemiZlia, dabejiTebiT<br />
giTxraT, rom igi aranair<br />
fia”. rogor gamoCnda is<br />
arenaze?<br />
_ 1998 wlidan amerikaSi vimyofebi.<br />
miuxedavad imisa, rom<br />
Cveulebrivad, yoveldRiur re-<br />
JimSi ojaxis wevrebTan urTier-<br />
Toba mqonda, met-naklebad, ramaz<br />
gagniZesTanac, imis safuZvlebi<br />
iyo, rom masTan, zogadad,<br />
xSiri, swori da Zmuri damokidebuleba<br />
ar da ver gamaCnda. amis<br />
bevri mizezi arsebobda, magram<br />
ar davakonkreteb. rogorc Cem-<br />
Tvis ojaxis wevrebisgan aris<br />
cnobili, misi mizani politika-<br />
ramaz gagniZe<br />
li, maTTan naTesaur kavSirSi<br />
myofebi, gvar-saxelebis konkretika<br />
ar minda, rame rom ar gamomrCes.<br />
ramaz gagniZe am adamianebTan<br />
megobrobiT namdvilad<br />
asocirdeboda „nacionalur<br />
moZraobasTan” 2005 wels. maSin<br />
mas amboxis aranairi safuZveli<br />
ar gaaCnda. mere, ojaxidan gamomdinare,<br />
rodesac man binaTmSenebloba<br />
gadawyvita Cvens mamapapiseul<br />
saxlSi, Sevityve, rom<br />
ukanono mSenebloba daiwyo (ukanono<br />
hqvia yvela im mSeneblobas,<br />
sadac, sul mcire, iuridiul<br />
enaze rom vTqvaT, yvela dokumenti<br />
wesrigSi ar aris). swored<br />
am dros daeZaba urTierTobebi<br />
rogorc meriasTan, aseve<br />
zedamxedvelobis samsaxurTan.<br />
es naTesavebisganac da misganac<br />
Sevityve, magram am problemis<br />
mogvareba man Tbilisis meris,<br />
gigi ugulavas doneze SeZlo<br />
„nacionali” megobrebis daxmarebiT<br />
da wyalobiT... SegaxsenebT,<br />
rom es is periodia, operis ukan,<br />
Tu ar vcdebi, TabukaSvilis<br />
quCaze, 12 Tu 14-sarTuliani<br />
saxli rom daangries. amas amerikidan<br />
vuyurebdi: saxli daangries,<br />
ngreva pianinoebiT, yvelanairi<br />
saojaxo inventarisa da<br />
nivTebis frialiT xdeboda kamerebis<br />
TanxlebiT, piaris doneze.<br />
am dros rogor unda ebrZolo<br />
ukanonobas? bodiSi JargonisTvis,<br />
magram sityva-sityviT<br />
getyviT: ramaz gagniZes am fonze<br />
sakuTari ukanono mSenebloba<br />
„gaupraves”.<br />
_ ra misamarTze iyo es<br />
ukanono mSenebloba?<br />
_ diRomSi, sadac dRes Cveni<br />
biznesi mdebareobs, iqve gverdiT<br />
aris didgoris q. #2, yofili<br />
„TeTri duqnis” teritoria,<br />
sofel diRmis asasvlel-<br />
Tan... rodesac mas kiTxva davusvi,<br />
_ rogor SeZeli mSeneblobis<br />
dakanoneba, maSin roca amxela<br />
Senobebs angrevdnen-meTqi? pirdapir<br />
miTxra im piris gvari da<br />
saxeli, romelic mas daexmara.<br />
dedaazri is iyo da naTesavebmac<br />
damidastures, rom mogvareba<br />
kapiki ar dasjdomia, ise moayomara<br />
ugulavasTan es saqme...<br />
dRes rom hkiTxo, „nacionaluri<br />
moZraobis” wevrebTan brZolas<br />
iCemebs.<br />
ar vici, mogvianebiT ra moxda,<br />
ar vici, visTan SeeSala, ra<br />
SeeSala, ra ar moewona da rogor<br />
ar moewona, misi politikaSi<br />
mosvla mizandasaxuli iyo, Tu<br />
viRacam urCia am gziT Semosvla,<br />
eg periodi gamovtove, aq<br />
fizikurad ar viyavi, magram uceb<br />
is dasajes da rogor dasajes?<br />
es korpusi meorejer gadaaRebines,<br />
anu msubuqad dasajes,<br />
mwvane yviTelSi aunTes... mwvane<br />
hqonda, magram yviTelSi gadaitanes<br />
da gaafrTxiles, rom sanam<br />
wiTels aginTebT, dawynardio...<br />
es iyo da es, sxva aranairi<br />
usamarTloba ramaz gagniZes „nacebis”<br />
dros ar gauvlia. swored<br />
aqedan iwyeba ramaz gagniZis epopea<br />
quCaSi gamosvliT, es gaxlavT<br />
2009 weli, e. w. saknebi.<br />
televiziiT vuyurebdi saxalxo<br />
razms gia korkotaSvilTan er-<br />
Tad, e. w. dRevandel cnobad saxeebTan<br />
erTad, raciebiT misvlamosvlebs.<br />
maSin ki SemovuTvale,<br />
rom ar ginda, cota dawynardimeTqi...<br />
„dawynardi” imitom ki ar<br />
vuTxari, rom es me ar mindoda,<br />
ubralod, misi azrovnebis horizonti<br />
vici, sad banaobs misi<br />
Rirseba vici im momentSi, roca<br />
mas winaaRmdegoba da Zala Sei-<br />
Zleba daxvdes. ubralod, ojaxis<br />
wevri viyavi da vurCie, rom<br />
ar ginda. magram es ar iyo arc<br />
ojaxi, arc dedis, Zmis da arc<br />
bevri naTesavis rCeva, man Tavisi<br />
gza Tavad airCia da sabolood,<br />
roca Camovedi, ukve burjanaZis<br />
partiis erT-erTi aqtivisti<br />
damxvda.<br />
_ is iyo ara marto burjan-<br />
aZis partiis aqtivisti, aramed<br />
maJoritarobis<br />
kandidati<br />
diRomSi...<br />
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ramaz gagniZe!<br />
daTo mefariSvili<br />
_ zustad mag periods mogaxsenebT:<br />
Tu ar vcdebi, es iyo<br />
2014 wlis TviTmmarTvelobis<br />
arCevnebi, rodesac Cemi ojaxis<br />
winaaRmdeg binZuri kampania aagores.<br />
ramaz gagniZe, ojaxis e. w.<br />
yofili wevri, am kampaniis ara<br />
mxolod uSualo Tanamonawile,<br />
aramed TaRliTuri sqemis fuZemdebeli<br />
gaxldaT... meore TaRliTi,<br />
romelic dRes „laiT hausTan”<br />
asocirdeba, es vaJa gordiaSvilia.<br />
veWvobdi, rom ramaz<br />
gagniZe mizanmimarTulad Semogdebuli<br />
kandidati iyo nino<br />
burjanaZesTan. „reportiorSi”<br />
brifingi gavmarTe da oficialurad<br />
mivmarTe qalbaton nino<br />
burjanaZes, aranairi piradi interesi<br />
ar mqonda, arc misi politikuri<br />
Sexedulebebi iyo<br />
misaRebi, magram sajarod vur-<br />
Cie, _ sul mcire, ramaz gagniZis<br />
kandidaturisTvis unda gadaexeda,<br />
rameTu kandidaturis<br />
arCeva da dayeneba, pirvel rig-<br />
Si, ganisazRvreba misi ojaxidan,<br />
_ ra statusi, rogori warsuli<br />
aqvs, saidan da ra RirsebiT modis<br />
da mas mere unda waradginon.<br />
amas gavusvi xazi, miuxedavad<br />
imisa, rom zustad vici, es<br />
nino burjanaZis StabSi miitanes,<br />
ramaz gagniZes viRac lobirebda<br />
da igi aqtiurad waradgines,<br />
Tumca yvelam vixileT,<br />
ra samarcxvino marcxiT dasrulda<br />
es procesi.<br />
_ ara marto marcxiT, aramed<br />
partiidan saerTod gamogdeb-<br />
iT...<br />
_ SeuZlebelia, rom mag TezisSi<br />
ar dageTanxmoT. Tbilisi pataraa<br />
da diRomi, _ miT umetes.<br />
mag ubanSi davibadeT da gavizardeT,<br />
saerTo samegobroc<br />
gvyavs, visTanac, rbilad rom<br />
vTqva, ramazs bevrjer kamaTic<br />
mosvlia. is garemo faqtorebic<br />
vici da zustad SemiZlia vivaraudo,<br />
ramaz gagniZe partiidan<br />
ratom ganarides, an, sulac,<br />
gaagdes.<br />
_ SeiZleboda Tu ara, es<br />
fulTan yofiliyo dakavSire-<br />
buli?..<br />
_ ar minda, ise aRiqvaT, rom<br />
ramaz gagniZes Zma Rirsebas ulaxavs,<br />
magram konkretul SemTxvevaSi<br />
da Cveni ojaxis mimarT<br />
Catarebuli qmedebebidan gamomdinare,<br />
savaraudod, didi alba-<br />
TobiT, vuSveb, rom es is niSania,<br />
romelic, Tavis droze, mas-<br />
Si iyo da mudam darCeba. am niSans<br />
sixarbe hqvia! mas uSromeli<br />
fuli uyvars, Tavisi rolis gamoxatva<br />
unda boboqrobiT, ginebiT,<br />
risxviT da moCvenebiTi aqtiurobiT.<br />
kidev davamateb...<br />
_ ojaxTan urTierTobaze,<br />
albaT, mere vilaparakebT, im<br />
detalebze, romelic mec vici.<br />
minda gkiTxoT dRevandel mis<br />
statusze. garkveuli informaciiT,<br />
gagniZes sus-Tan kav-<br />
Sirebi aqvs. amboben, rom soso<br />
gogaSvilis davalebebs Zalian<br />
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xSirad asrulebs.<br />
_ pirdapir mogaxsenebT da ar<br />
dagimalavT, eg piradad CemTvis<br />
yvelaze mZime Temaa, miuxedavad<br />
imisa, rom vimeoreb, _ Cemi konkretuli<br />
Sexeduleba maqvs, magram<br />
mainc udanaSaulobis prezumpcias<br />
moviSvelieb, rameTu<br />
ganaTlebiT iuristi gaxlavarT:<br />
yvela winapiroba arsebobs, rom<br />
ramazi sus-Tan aqtiurad Tanam-<br />
Sromlobs, mas morali ar awuxebs,<br />
_ ojaxis winaaRmdeg iseTi<br />
qmedebebi Caidina, dedis winaaRmdeg<br />
kampania aagora, kiTxvis ni-<br />
Snebi arsebobs burjanaZis partiaSi<br />
yofnisas, 26 maisTan dakavSirebiT!<br />
iqneb, vinmem hkiTxos,<br />
26 maiss sad iyo da mitingis<br />
darbevis dros rogor gadar-<br />
Ca?.. ar minda Rrmad Sevide, magram<br />
Zalian bevri raRaca vici<br />
maqedan gamomdinare. vimeoreb! _<br />
Tbilisi Zalian pataraa imisTvis,<br />
rom rame informacia damalo,<br />
miT umetes, roca politikurad<br />
aqtiur pirovnebebzea<br />
saubari... da dResac, Tqveni SekiTxviT,<br />
aris Tu ara batoni gagniZe<br />
sus-Tan ramenair urTierTTanamSromlobaSi<br />
mxilebuli,<br />
an miniSnebuli, ar davmalav,<br />
_ diax, aris! Sinaganad amis kategoriuli<br />
winaaRmdegi var, Cveni<br />
ojaxidan gamomdinare erTi<br />
pirovnebac ar moiZebneba arc<br />
winaprebSi, arc dRevandeloba-<br />
Si, rom ramenairad asocirebuliyo<br />
an maSindel „kagebesTan”,<br />
an dRevandel sod-Tan da kud-<br />
Tan, dRes kidev sus-Tan... amas<br />
xazgasmiT vambob, magram... vimeoreb:<br />
SeuZlebelia, mag samarTlian<br />
da marTebul eWvSi ar<br />
dageTanxmoT... kidev erTi miniSneba,<br />
saidanac SeiZleba Cemi<br />
eWvic gamyardes: 2013 wels piradad<br />
Sevxvdi soso gogaSvils.<br />
maSin igi zviad janyaraSvilis<br />
moadgile iyo generalur inspeqciaSi.<br />
masTan Zalian adamianurad<br />
mivedi, oficialuri gancxadebis<br />
daweris gareSe. soso<br />
gogaSvils vTxove, zomebi mieRo<br />
im usamarTlobaze, rasac Cveni<br />
ojaxis winaaRmdeg ramaz gagniZis<br />
iniciativiT dawyebul saqme-<br />
Si deteqtiv-gamomZieblebi sCadiodnen.<br />
vTxove, emxilebina da<br />
droulad gamoeZiebinaT is TaRliTuri<br />
faqtebi da mtkicebulebebi,<br />
rac movipove ara quCaSi,<br />
an ukanonod, aramed sasamarTloSi<br />
Semotanili sarCelebis,<br />
TandarTuli dokumentebisa da<br />
mtkicebulebebis fonze.<br />
_ ra giTxraT gogaSvilma?<br />
_ am saqmeSi sruli daxmareba<br />
aRmiTqva. Sewuxda da miTxra,<br />
rom „nacionalebma” ara marto<br />
Cemi Rirseba daazianes, Tavadac<br />
gaxldaT „nacionaluri moZraobisa”<br />
da diqtaturis msxverpli(?!!).<br />
ai, modiT, Sinaurulad<br />
vambob, es Temac ki dominirebda<br />
Cvens urTierTobaSi. am etapze<br />
mets verafers vityvi... sabolood,<br />
soso gogaSvilma damnaSaveebis<br />
dasasjelad araferi gaake-<br />
Ta. Tu movlenebs Tvals gavusworebT,<br />
sad aris dRes da ra<br />
Tanamdebobaze batoni soso gogaSvili,<br />
CemTvis absuluturad<br />
gasagebia, ratom ar miaqcia man<br />
yuradReba ramaz gagniZisa da<br />
vaJa gorgiaSvilis TaRliTur<br />
sqemebs. aqedanac SemiZlia davaskvna,<br />
rom arsebobs, minimum,<br />
iribi kavSiri da maqsimum, pirdapiri<br />
mtkicebuleba, rom susma<br />
ramaz gagniZe swored am TemiT<br />
daaba da isic usityvod asrulebs<br />
gogaSvilis yvela davalebas.<br />
SeuZlebelia, rom ase ar<br />
iyos!!! es kargad etyoba sasamarTlo<br />
gadawyvetilebebs,<br />
prokuraturis dRevandel siraqlemis<br />
pozaSi yofnas da es<br />
kargad etyoba Ss saministros<br />
deteqtiv-gamomZieblebis qmedebebs.<br />
tempi mitovebuli da<br />
modunebulia...<br />
_ vako, rodis daiwyo Tqveni<br />
ojaxuri dava?<br />
_ ojaxuri dava Zalian didi<br />
xnis win daiwyo. samwuxarod, ramaz<br />
gagniZem 2002 wlidan ukve<br />
Tavad airCia ojaxis yofili<br />
wevris statusi. me-15 weliwadia,<br />
igi aRar aris ojaxis srulyofili<br />
wevri, rogoric gaxlavarT<br />
me, misi Svili, misi pirveli<br />
coli, misi da, deda da aw<br />
gardacvlili misi gamzrdeli<br />
bebia... ai, am ojaxis wevrebs Tavad<br />
gamoeyo. mis pirad cxovrebaSi<br />
ar Caverevi, radgan yvela<br />
adamiani individia. Tu rame<br />
mqonda SeniSvna ojaxis wevrebTan<br />
da naTesavebTan, yovelTvis<br />
vambob, _ yvelaferSi edaveT<br />
nebismier adamians da mxolod<br />
ara piradul grZnobebSi... Tu<br />
adamiani Tavs moitans, Tavisi<br />
sikeTiT da bednierebiT moitans,<br />
Tu arada, daiRupeba da minimum,<br />
Sen ar dagabralebs, imitom<br />
rom es Tema yvelaze mtkivneulia.<br />
ramaz gagniZem ojaxi gayara...<br />
pirdapir vambob, gayaradaSala,<br />
Tumca gayra niSnavs,<br />
rodesac Tavis wils miuzRavs<br />
pirvel cols, Svils da lamazad<br />
gaistumrebs. ojaxisSvils,<br />
pirovnebas materialuri da aramaterialuri<br />
valdebuleba<br />
yovelTvis akisria da mas es pirnaTlad<br />
unda moexada, magram<br />
ara! _ pirvel colsa da Svils,<br />
dedas, Zmas da das, yovelgvari<br />
mizezis gareSe da uapelaciod,<br />
saSineli tkivili miayena, rac<br />
gamoixateba motyuebiT saxlidan<br />
gayvanaSi, biznesidan fizikuri<br />
zewoliT, maT Soris, dedis,<br />
gagdebiT, sxvaTa dasanaxavad<br />
da taSis dasakvrelad, pompezurobisTvis<br />
da iaffasiani<br />
cirkis mosawyobad. am procesma<br />
kulminacias maSin miaRwia, rodesac<br />
2010 wels Camovedi da<br />
mindoda, ojaxuri gaxleCiloba<br />
damesrulebina, yvelaferi wes-<br />
ioseb gogaSvili<br />
rigSi momeyvana, wertili damesva<br />
am usindiso qmedebebisTvis<br />
da sabolood garkveuliyo yvelaferi<br />
_ vin varT erTmaneTisTvis<br />
da vis ra da ratom gvekuTvnis...<br />
iq xom ojaxis mier datovebuli<br />
materialuri faseulobebi<br />
iyo, romlis Seqmna-<br />
Sic yvelaze meti monawileoba<br />
Tu vinmes hqonda piradi CareviT<br />
da finansurad, Tu saku-<br />
Tari SromiT, gaxldaT, pirvel<br />
rigSi, _ deda, Cveni ojaxis<br />
ufrosi, imitom rom mama 1995<br />
wlidan gardacvlili myavs, misi<br />
danatovaria es faseulobebi da<br />
keTilRirebulebebi, rac dRes<br />
modis, es aucileblad unda<br />
aRvniSno da meore viyavi me... ramaz<br />
gagniZes aranairi moraluri<br />
ufleba ar hqonda, am faseulobebze<br />
pretenziebi gamoexata. CamosvlisTanave<br />
gamomicxada, rom<br />
aranair urTierTobas ar apirebda<br />
CemTan, saerTod ar gamekara.<br />
2008 wlis ivnisidan dawyebul<br />
Tavis biznesSi moTreuli,<br />
swored moTreuli da aranaklebi<br />
TaRliTi momigzavna, suliT<br />
vaWari eSmakuna vaJa gordiaSvili,<br />
romelic „laiT hausis”<br />
biznesTan asocirdeba da romelSic<br />
sabuTebrivad TviTon<br />
aranairad ar monawileobs mraval<br />
da mraval mizezTa gamo. es<br />
yovelTvis SegviZlia davamtkicoT<br />
da SemdgomSi vilaparakoT.<br />
am etapze, ubralod, saintereso<br />
ar aris. maSin davubrundebi,<br />
roca gamoZiebas, Tu vinme pirovnebas<br />
dasWirdeba da vinc konkretulad<br />
dainteresdeba mag<br />
pirovnebis bediT...<br />
ramaz gagniZem 2008 wlis ivnisidan<br />
moyolebuli 2010 wlis<br />
ianvramde am pirovnebas gaabedina<br />
da yovelgvari uRirsobebi<br />
Caadenina, rac misi ojaxis winaa-<br />
Rmdeg yvelanairi SeuracxyofiT<br />
gamoixata.<br />
_ maT Soris, sasamarTlo<br />
dava...<br />
_ zustad sasamarTlo dava<br />
daiwyo 2010 wlis maisidan. am<br />
davis iniciatori da uSualo<br />
monawile iyo ramaz gagniZe.<br />
gagrZeleba meeqvse gv.<br />
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gaicaniT ramaz gagniZe!<br />
mexuTe gverdidan<br />
- am TaRliTTa jgufma yvelaferi<br />
ikadra, risi kadrebac<br />
SeiZleboda. arc sasamarTloSi<br />
damixevia ukan da am interviu-<br />
Sic vimeoreb: ramaz gagniZe da<br />
misi „megobari” arian sulgayiduli<br />
TaRliTebi! ra unda velaparako<br />
kacs, romelic sakuTar<br />
ojaxs sasamarTloSi uCivis?!<br />
vinmem TaRliTi rom damiZaxos,<br />
arc sasamarTlos davelodebi,<br />
arc gamoZiebas da pasuxs kacobiT<br />
da im RirsebiT movTxov,<br />
riTac davibade, aqamde viare da<br />
awic ase vapireb cxovrebis gagrZelebas.<br />
2010 wlis ivnisSi,<br />
rodesac am TaRliTs pirvelad<br />
Sevxvdi, igi ojaxur biznesSi<br />
moijared Semovida. mxolod da<br />
mxolod ori Sexvedra gvqonda<br />
xelSekrulebebTan dakavSirebiT,<br />
romlebic „skaipiT” da „imeiliT”<br />
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izolda gagniZe da Cemi da<br />
lika gagniZe gadaagdes. Turme<br />
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hqondaT wynari bombi da ramaz<br />
gagniZe amis erTaderTi xelSemwyobi<br />
iyo... kidev vambob: rom<br />
ara ojaxis wevri, rom ara ojaxis<br />
wevrTan naTesaur kavSirSi da<br />
megobrulad asocirebuli<br />
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oqmebi, rom ara maTi sicrueebi,<br />
moyvanili faqtobrivi<br />
siyalbeebi, es sasamarTlo procesebi<br />
saerTod ar unda gamarTuliyo.<br />
sasamarTlos kari<br />
arasodes ar unda SemeRo.<br />
_ e. i. ramaz gagniZe sakuTar<br />
dedas, Svils, Zmas da ojaxis<br />
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sTxovda wils, faqtobrivad,<br />
im qonebaze, romelzedac<br />
yvelaze naklebi preten-<br />
ziebi mas unda hqonoda...<br />
_ absoluturad geTanxmebiT.<br />
Cemgan swori miniSneba iyo. albaT<br />
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namdvilad kargad mixvdiT, radgan<br />
amis mravali gamocdileba<br />
ra skandaluri faqtebi miawoda<br />
`qronika+~-s valerian gagniZem?<br />
gaqvT. aq movedi ara imitom, rom<br />
Cems Temas beWdur mediaSi gaJRereba<br />
aklia _ ara, Tqven winaaRmdeg<br />
ramaz gagniZe davinaxe Tavis<br />
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an sxvisi davalebiT adamianebisTvis<br />
ubedurebis motana.<br />
amaSi ukve daxelovnebulia da<br />
Tu vinmes msgavs saqmeSi „Rirsebis<br />
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lil adamians abralebs imas,<br />
risi monawilec is, ubralod,<br />
arasodes yofila...<br />
_ SeuZlebelia, ar dageTanxmoT.<br />
me ar vici Tqveni gardacvlili<br />
megobari (naTelSi iyos im<br />
pirovnebis suli) da Tqven raze<br />
saubrobdiT, visTan erTad laparakobdiT,<br />
magram cxadia, rom<br />
rac ori wlis Tavze gaJRerda,<br />
statusobrivad da iuridiulad<br />
ramaz gagniZis mxridan aris,<br />
sul mcire, danaSaulis dafarva...<br />
es isjeba sisxlis samarTlis<br />
kanonmdeblobiT. danaSaulis<br />
dafarva gaxlavT Cveulebrivi<br />
ukanono, dasjadi qmedeba,<br />
magram mas araTu dasjian, am<br />
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Tumca darwmunebuli<br />
var, rom ramaz gagniZisnairebi<br />
da uSualod ramaz gagniZe zians<br />
ver mogayenebT. amas xazgasmiT<br />
da xmamaRla vambob... misi moralis<br />
adamianebs mxolod ciliswameba<br />
da sxvisi davalebiT talaxis<br />
srola SeuZliaT.<br />
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urTierToba aqvs da saerTod,<br />
Tu aqvs urTierToba? ras ambobs,<br />
roca mis aseT moqmede-<br />
nino burjanaZe<br />
bebs xedavs? mapatieT am Se-<br />
kiTxvisTvis, magram... vici,<br />
Zalian mZimea...<br />
_ qalbatono eliso, es umZimesi<br />
ojaxuri tragediaa. ramaz<br />
gagniZe aris adamiani, romlis-<br />
Tvisac mTavaria fuli da fulis<br />
gamo mzad aris, ojaxis wevrebi<br />
quCaSi gayaros, sasamarTloSi<br />
arbeninos, saqmeebi urCios<br />
dedas, Zmas da das.<br />
_ Svils naxulobs?<br />
_ ar gamiWirdeba amaze pasuxis<br />
gacema, Tu ar vcdebi, 2011<br />
wlis dasawyisidan 2016 wlis pirvel<br />
kvartlamde meeqvse weli<br />
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samivejer, mxolod da mxolod,<br />
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mijiryvniT... sityva-sityviT<br />
vambob: rom Sen araferi<br />
gekuTvnis (Seuracxmyofeli sityviT),<br />
Tu me rame ar gadmogigde<br />
(pirdapiri miniSnebiT)... es<br />
aris yvelaze amazrzeni da fsiqologiurad<br />
umZimesi mosasmeni<br />
im mozardisTvis, romelic mamamisTan<br />
mxolod gvariT da mamis<br />
saxeliT asocirdeba. sxva mxriv<br />
_ qceviT, pirovnuli, adamianuri<br />
resursiT, ganaTlebiT da<br />
inteleqtiT SeuZlebelia, is mamas<br />
Sevadaro.<br />
_ dedis pozicia rogoria?<br />
_ dedis pozicia momakvdinebelia,<br />
es yvelam icis... SeuZlebelia<br />
dedisTvis (amaSi davrwmundi!)<br />
Svilebis gayofa, magram<br />
rodesac sasworze dgas yvelaferi<br />
erTi Svilis umecrebiT<br />
da ganzrax ojaxis dangreviT,<br />
daqceviT, katastrofuli Sedegebis<br />
dayenebiT ojaxis winaaRmdeg,<br />
am SemTxvevaSi dedam is<br />
saRi pozicia airCia, rac unda<br />
aerCia nebismier dedas.<br />
_ icis axla Cem winaaRmdeg<br />
misi Svili rasac akeTebs?<br />
_ qalbatono eliso, dedaCemi<br />
am situaciebidan gamomdinare<br />
guliT daavadmyofda. 2002 wlidan<br />
daetyo cvlilebebi! rodesac<br />
sakuTari xeliT, sakuTari<br />
biznesidan TaRliTurad mimTvisebeli<br />
Svili xeliT fizikurad<br />
Segexeba da biznesidan gamogagdebs,<br />
janmrTelobas dedas<br />
ukve nuRar movTxovT... es gr-<br />
Zeldeba 15 weli.<br />
ramaz gagniZe da misi amfsonebi<br />
amaze ar gaCerebulan,<br />
piriqiT, meti monawileoba miiRes,<br />
meti dartyma miayenes Cems<br />
ojaxs... ufali zevidan iyureba,<br />
amas kargad xedavs yvela, rogor<br />
ubrundeba adamianebs boroteba,<br />
magram dedaCems varideb,<br />
rasac me vxedav, mis interviueb-<br />
Si vuyureb mis qmedebebs _ susis<br />
davalebebiT quCaSi viTom va-<br />
Jkacur aqtivobebs, yvelanair<br />
Temebs varideb, magram mainc igebs.<br />
televizori yvelasTvis<br />
saerToa da yvela informacias<br />
ver davumalav. bolos TqvenTan<br />
dakavSirebuli interviu Tavad<br />
wavukiTxe. me TviTon veRar Sevikave<br />
emocia. marTlac saswaulad<br />
ganicada, _ RmerTma xom<br />
icis, Svilo, rom me egeTi uRirsi<br />
iqamde ar momiyvania, sanam<br />
TviTon ar daingria Tavisi piraduli<br />
da sanam TaRliTebis<br />
relsebze ar gadaewyoo... es xom<br />
ufalmac icis, rom me misTvis<br />
araferi davzoge, yvelaze meti<br />
Sroma jafa, swavlis mxriv Tu<br />
rac iyo ar damiSurebiao...<br />
miTxra, qalbaton elisos Cemgan<br />
solidaroba gadaecio. minda<br />
icodes, rom me mis aseT pirovnebad<br />
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dRes sazogadoeba xedavs,<br />
monawileoba ar mimiRiao...<br />
rodesac vuTxari, _ deda,<br />
valdebuli var, wavide da am adamians<br />
ubralo solidaroba gamovucxado,<br />
gana vinmes da ramis<br />
saxeliT, mxolod da mxolod,<br />
ramaz gagniZis aspeqtSi... adamianma<br />
sakuTar ojaxs aseTi ram<br />
damarTa, warmomidgenia, qalbaton<br />
eliso kilaZes ras umzadeben<br />
da ras umzadebs-meTqi...<br />
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zviad beraZe<br />
Tu rames vuSveliTo. da kidev<br />
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iqneb, amaTac aRar gamoadgeT<br />
amdeni xmauriT da Tavis<br />
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xazgasasmeli argumenti,<br />
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gzidan gadascda da realobas<br />
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da qalbaton elisos mouyve,<br />
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rac Cvenma ojaxma gadaitana,<br />
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ganaxorcielebs Tqven mimarT<br />
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dRes TqvenTan mosuli da amitomac<br />
viZlevi am intervius. xazs<br />
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sxva aqtivobebs viwyeb. yvelas<br />
minda movuwodo: ramaz gagniZisnairi<br />
„azrovnebis”, „inteleqtis”,<br />
„codnis” da „kacobis”<br />
„pirovnebiT” vinmeze apelireba,<br />
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sakuTrebis uflebas marTmevs!!!<br />
prokuratura da sasamarTlo am<br />
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ar gamoacxada. Sesabamisad,<br />
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aqtualuria.<br />
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ver gavuZlebT”; an: „es<br />
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Cvens relsebze? es im seriidan<br />
araa, Jurnalistebi verafers rom<br />
ver vxedavT da mxolod gasakritikebels<br />
veZebT”. Cem mier gamoqveynebuli<br />
absoluturad uwyinari,<br />
magram informaciuli gzavnili<br />
kolega mediasaSualebis warmomadgenelma,<br />
rogorc aseT SemTxvevaSi<br />
ityvian, gaaniusa. marTalia, batoni<br />
caguria piradad me ar gamomexmaura,<br />
Tumca sainformacio saagento<br />
„fostalionis” kiTxvas mokled<br />
upasuxa: axali matarebeli moZraobas<br />
daiwyebs ivlisis bolos. gaumjobesdeba<br />
momsaxureba, pirobebi,<br />
iqneba komforti. fasi ki darCeba<br />
igive, _ gavigeT yofili uflebadamcvelisgan<br />
2016 wlis 3 maiss.<br />
rogorc vTqviT, „qronika+”-ma<br />
erT-erTma pirvelebma vicodiT am<br />
matareblebis SeZenis Sesaxeb, Tumca<br />
moviqeciT ise, rogorc iqcevian<br />
pasuxismgebliani mediasaSualebebi<br />
_ sanam masalas uwyebis oficialur<br />
pasuxs davurTavdeT, gTavazobT<br />
daCi cagurias mier odnav<br />
mogvianebiT gamoqveynebul statussac,<br />
raTa is Tanabar pirobeb-<br />
Si CavayenoT.<br />
(2016 wlis 23 ivnisi _ stili<br />
aqac daculia): „miSistanSi axali<br />
tyuili gamoigones, Turme gvirab-<br />
Si ar eteva Cveni axali matarebeli<br />
da rusebis dasaxmareblad<br />
gviyidia Sveicariuli kompania<br />
„Stadlerisgan” fantastiuri matareblebi:<br />
ra niWierebi arian?!<br />
aSkarad klasi dauvardaT. ebiWo,<br />
rame cota grZelvadiani da WkuasTan<br />
axlos tyuilebi mainc moifiqreT.<br />
evropis Cempionati rom<br />
daiwyo fexburTSi, vici da raime<br />
didi Cempionati xom ar dawyebula<br />
sisuleleebis TqmaSi da gamomepara?!<br />
raRac TavgamodebiT ejibrebian<br />
erTmaneTs, vin ufro did<br />
sisuleles ityvis da Tass vin gadascems<br />
netav, gamarjvebuls?”<br />
maS, ase! - sad aris didi<br />
sisulele da sad - sibrZne?!<br />
pirvelad kompania „Stadleris”<br />
damzadebuli matareblebis Sesaxeb<br />
kritikuli statiebi sainformacio<br />
saagento „aqcentze” gamoqveynda,<br />
Tumca rkinigzis piarma maT-<br />
Tan kontaqtze gasvla ar isurva.<br />
Cveni informaciiT, samsaxurebrivi<br />
movaleobis dros batoni caguria<br />
„aqcentis” Jurnalistis mimarT<br />
negatiur damokidebulebas satelefono<br />
saubrebis drosac ver<br />
malavda, magram matareblebis istoria<br />
erTi mediasaSualebisa da<br />
erTi uwyebis pressamsaxurs Soris<br />
rigiT kamaTs gascda da male Temisadmi<br />
interesi wamyvan gamocemebTan<br />
erTad politikurma partiebmac<br />
gamoiCines.<br />
„profesional rkinigzelTa<br />
klubis” damfuZnebeli, daviT<br />
goCava, „Stadleris” orsarTuliani<br />
matareblebis saqarTve-<br />
loSi Semoyvanis riskebze, jer<br />
kidev, 24 maiss gamoqveynebul<br />
statiaSi saubrobda:<br />
„Stadleris” oficialur<br />
eleqtronul gverdze arsebobs<br />
saniSne (News Overview) axali ambebis<br />
mimoxilva _ 2016 wlis aqtivobebs<br />
Soris aris informacia<br />
„Stadlersa” da holandiur samgzavro<br />
operator kompaniebs Syntus<br />
bv-sa da Keol-s Soris dadebul xelSekrulebaze<br />
16 eleqtromatareblis<br />
warmoebis Sesaxeb, romlis<br />
Rirebuleba 125 milion evros<br />
Seadgens; (02.03.16 Right on track: Stadler<br />
wins contract in the Netherlands worth<br />
EUR 125 million). axali ambebis ganyofilebaSi<br />
naxavT informacias imis<br />
Sesaxebac, rom germanulma kompaniam<br />
(AVG - Albtal-Verkehrs-Gesellschaft),<br />
romelic awarmoebs mgzavrTa gadayvanas<br />
qalaq karlsruedan mis<br />
erT-erT gareubanSi, espaneTSi arsebul<br />
„Stadleris” qarxanas (Stadler<br />
Rail Valencia) SeukveTa 25 axali<br />
moZravi Semadgenloba (30.03.16 More<br />
LRVs for Germany). iqve, CamonaTval-<br />
Si, sxvadasxva qveynis mier ganxorcielebul<br />
sxva Sesyidvebzecaa saubari,<br />
Tumca ilustraciisTvis es<br />
ori magaliTic gamodgeba... magram<br />
2016 wels kompaniis saitze „saqar-<br />
Tvelos rkinigzis” mier daanonsebuli<br />
„Stadleris” matareblebis<br />
SeZenis Sesaxeb informacia ar iZebneba.<br />
garigebaSi mwarmoebeli kompania<br />
CarTuli ar aris. es moZraobis<br />
usafrTxoebis uzrunvelyofis<br />
kuTxiT didi riskia! ratom?! saqarTveloSi<br />
ar arsebobs rkinigzis<br />
gareT kompetenturi organo mo-<br />
Zraobis usafrTxoebis uzrunvelyofis<br />
sferoSi; ar arsebobs sarkinigzo<br />
moZrav Semadgenlobebze<br />
sertifikatebis gamcemi organoc;<br />
saqarTveloSi ar Camosulan da<br />
arc Camovlen „Stadleris” inJinrebi,<br />
raTa sarkinigzo xazis mdgomareobas<br />
adgilze gaecnon da matareblis<br />
teqnikuri maxasiaTeblebi<br />
faqtobriv mdgomareobas moargon,<br />
rogorc es gaakeTes ruseTisa<br />
da azerbaijanis SemTxvevaSi. aq<br />
yvelafers uzrunvelyofs „saqarTvelos<br />
rkinigza” Tavisi ZalebiT,<br />
rac riskis dones umaRles<br />
donemde wevs! “ _ werda daviT go-<br />
Cava. amasTan igi detalurad aRwers<br />
matareblis istorias, romelic<br />
saqarTveloSi unda Semovides:<br />
„2014 wels rusuli satransporto<br />
kompania «Àýðîýêñïðåññ» kontraqts<br />
debs Sveicariul kompania<br />
„Stadler Rail AG 25"-Tan orsarTuliani<br />
eleqtromatareblis Sesyidvis<br />
Sesaxeb, raTa mgzavrebi moskovis<br />
centridan saerTaSoriso<br />
aeroportebamde gadaiyvanos; gadawyvetilebis<br />
safuZvels warmoadgens<br />
kvlevis Sedegebi, romlis<br />
Tanaxmadac mgzavrTnakadis moculoba<br />
xsenebul mimarTulebebze<br />
20%-iT gaizrdeba. arCevani gakeTda<br />
sagareubno matarebelze Stadler<br />
matareblebis<br />
skandali<br />
qarTulad!<br />
rTulebiT 6-vagoniani Semadgenlobebi;<br />
Seremetievos mimarTulebiT<br />
_ 4+4 sqemiT, anu ori Sewyvilebuli<br />
oTxvagoniani Semadgenlobebi;<br />
domodedovos mimarTulebiT<br />
_ 4+6 sqemiT, anu ori Sewyvilebuli<br />
oTx da eqvsvagoniani<br />
Semadgenlobebi. Tumca navTobis<br />
krizisis, agreTve, ruseTis winaa-<br />
Rmdeg amoqmedebuli sanqciebisa<br />
da SemdgomSi rublis kursis dacemis<br />
gamo, satransporto kompaniaSi<br />
male finansuri garTulebebi<br />
daiwyo... da matareblebi „gaiWeda”<br />
belarusis qalaq SklovSi<br />
arsebul bazaze, axali patronis<br />
molodinSi. rusebma momsaxurebagasawevi<br />
xazebis rigidan Seremetevos<br />
mimarTuleba amoiRes da im matareblebis<br />
gayidvaze daiwyes<br />
muSaoba, romlebsac am marSrutze<br />
unda evloT. amoqmedda sabWoTa<br />
kavSiris droindeli kavSirebi,<br />
rac yvelaze metad sarkinigzo<br />
sivrceSia SemorCenili da xuTi matarebeli<br />
azerbaijanSi gaiyida,<br />
oTxi _ saqarTveloSi. oRond azerbaijanelebma<br />
es matareblebi 35<br />
km sigrZis marSrutze baqo-sumgai-<br />
Ti daayenes, radgan maTi daniSnuleba<br />
ician _ sagareubno matareblebi<br />
_ „eleqtriCkebi”. qarTvelebma<br />
ki am „eleqtriCkebis” daaxloebiT<br />
350 km sigrZis marSrutze<br />
dayeneba gadawyvites. «Àýðîýêñïðåññ»-is<br />
krizisi TiTqosda<br />
amiT unda dasrulebuliyo, magram<br />
procesebSi, sad da rodis namdvilad<br />
ar vici, ruseTis airis<br />
mrewvelobis komerciuli banki<br />
CaerTo (Ãàçïðîìáàíê), romelic<br />
aSS-s finansTa saministrom 2014<br />
wlis 17 ivliss ruseTis federaciis<br />
winaaRmdeg damatebiTi sanqciebis<br />
SemoRebasTan dakavSirebiT<br />
sanqciadasadebi kompaniebis siaSi<br />
Seiyvana; 2015 wlis seqtemberSi<br />
aRniSnuli banki Seiyvanes ukrainis<br />
sanqciadasadebi kompaniebis sia-<br />
Sic; sanqciebi iTvaliswinebs aqtivebis<br />
blokirebas da ukrainis<br />
mxridan ekonomikuri da finansuri<br />
valdebulebebis Sesrulebis Se-<br />
Cerebas. aseT viTarebaSi komerciulma<br />
bankma uzrunvelyo axali<br />
kontraqti „Stadlersa” da «Àýðîýêñïðåññ»-s<br />
Soris daaxloebiT<br />
150 milioni evros odenobiT, romlis<br />
Tanaxmadac Sveicariuli kompania<br />
ruseTis satransporto kompaniisTvis<br />
11 matarebels aaSenebs 2018<br />
wlis msoflio CempionatisTvis fexburTSi!<br />
ai, es aris mTeli istoria<br />
Stadler KISS-Tan dakavSirebiT. danar-<br />
Ceni sazogadoebam gansajos, vis ra<br />
roli da funqcia daekisra aRniSnul<br />
garigebaSi!”<br />
***<br />
axla ki cnobili rkinigzelis<br />
sapasuxod erT-erT yvelaze cno-<br />
bil qarTvels movusminoT: ivaniSvilis<br />
mtkicebiT, moskovis mier<br />
„Seremetevos” marSrutidan moxsnili<br />
sagareubno matareblebis<br />
saqarTvelos turistul zolSi<br />
moZraoba safrTxis Semcveli ar<br />
aris. am ramdenime kviris win, teqnoparkis<br />
darbazSi, specialurad<br />
mediis warmomadgenlebTan gamarTul<br />
Sexvedraze biZina ivaniSvilma<br />
ganacxada: „sabWoTa kavSiris<br />
sistemaSi rac Sendeboda, erTi<br />
principiT Sendeboda _ evropuli<br />
vagonebi ufro viwroa da raxan<br />
Sveicariul kompanias ruseTma<br />
SeukveTa vagonebi, is CvenTvisac<br />
gamodgeba... es vagonebi qarTvelebma<br />
iafad iyides, rac kargia. Cven<br />
igive rusuli rkinigza gvaqvs. is,<br />
rom rusebi yidulobdnen da axla<br />
qarTvelebi yiduloben, es aris<br />
Zalian kargi. ara mgonia, safrTxis<br />
Semcveli iyos. gadaamowmeT kidev<br />
Tqveni informacia”, _ ganacxada<br />
ivaniSvilma da Jurnalists<br />
mouwoda, Sesabamisi dokumentacia<br />
gamoeTxova rkinigzidan. Tavis<br />
mxriv, „aqcentis” warmomadgenelma<br />
aRniSna, rom ukve gamoTxovili<br />
aqvs aRniSuli dokumentacia, Tumca<br />
masalebi ar miawodes: „ai, axla<br />
gadacemasac mousmenen da mogawvdian<br />
Sesabamis dokumentacias”. rac<br />
Seexeba imas, rom aRniSnuli satransporto<br />
saSualeba SedarebiT<br />
mokle manZilisTvisaa gankuTvnili<br />
da ara Sor manZilze turistuli<br />
zolisTvis, ivaniSvilma SekiTxvas<br />
ase upasuxa: „ki, ki, kargi matarebelia”.<br />
axali matareblebis Sesaxeb<br />
araformaluri mmarTvelis Sefasebebi<br />
kidev erTxel gavixseneT.<br />
axla ki rkinigzel goCavas<br />
daskvnebsac morig jerze gavec-<br />
noT: „ruseTisTvis aSenebuli matarebeli<br />
moergeba saqarTvelos?<br />
_ ara, ar moergeba! “ „Stadleris”<br />
Sesaxeb oficialur dokumentacia-<br />
Si miTiTebulia, rom aRniSnuli ma-<br />
8 N23(154) 28.6-4.7.2016 w.
294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com<br />
aris arc xelSekruleba da arc arsebobs.<br />
miqris<br />
zemoT xsenebuli germaniis rkinigzis<br />
eqspertebis daskvna. ucnobia<br />
SeZenili matareblebis teqnikuri<br />
maxasiaTeblebi da sxva, ris gare-<br />
Sec, ubralod, SeuZlebelia analizis<br />
gakeTeba.<br />
_ arsebul viTarebaSi ras mi-<br />
iCnevT mTavar problemad?<br />
tarebeli akmayofilebs ruseTis<br />
federaciis erovnul standarts<br />
(ÃÎÑÒ Ð 55434-2013 – Ýëåêòðîïîåçäà.<br />
Îáùèå òåõíè÷åñêèå òðåáîâàíèå)<br />
am standartis meoTxe Tav-<br />
Si mocemulia eleqtromatareblebis<br />
klasifikacia svlis manZilze da<br />
moZraobis siCqareze damokidebulebiT.<br />
Tanaxmad klasifikaciisa,<br />
arsebobs eleqtromatarebeli: 1.<br />
mgzavrebis gadasayvanad gamoyofil<br />
marSrutebze maRali mgzavrTnakadiT,<br />
romlis mobrunebis ubnis sigrZe<br />
ar aRemateba 60 km-s; 2. mgzavrebis<br />
gadasayvanad saqalaqTa-<br />
Soriso marSrutze, sadac mobrunebis<br />
ubnis sigrZe Seadgens 150-<br />
dan 700 km-mde.<br />
pirveli punqti zustad Seesabameba<br />
rusuli satransporto kompania<br />
«Àýðîýêñïðåññ»-is ZiriTad<br />
mizans _ moemsaxuros mgzavrebs<br />
moskovis centridan, saaviacio kvanZis<br />
aeroportebamde; dReRameSi es<br />
kompania asrulebs, daaxloebiT,<br />
200-mde reiss. mxolod 2012 wels<br />
kompaniam 15 milionamde mgzavri<br />
gadaiyavana. meore punqti ki Seesabameba<br />
„saqarTvelos rkinigzis mizans<br />
_ moemsaxuros mgzavrebs<br />
Tbilisidan Savi zRvis kurortebamde<br />
(manZili, daaxloebiT, 350<br />
km.). pirveli miznis gaTvaliswinebiT<br />
aSenebuli matarebeli ar<br />
gamodgeba meore miznisTvis. ratom?<br />
imitom, rom imave ÃÎÑÒ-is Tanaxmad:<br />
mgzavris wona bargTan er-<br />
Tad pirvel SemTxvevaSi Seadgens<br />
70 kg-s, meore SemTxvevaSi _ 100 kgs;<br />
pirvel SemTxvevaSi vagonis dasaxlebis<br />
gamoangariSebisas savar-<br />
Zlebis raodenobas emateba fexze<br />
mdgomi 3 adamiani 1 kvadratul<br />
metrze (maqsimaluri _ 7), xolo<br />
meore SemTxvevaSi _ mgzavris fexze<br />
dgoma gamoricxulia; es ruse-<br />
Tis SemTxvevaSi gamarTlebulia,<br />
radgan mgzavrobis xangrZlivoba<br />
yvelaze Sor domodedovos aeroportamde<br />
ikavebs, sul raRac, 45<br />
wuTs, sxva SemTxvevebSi ki mxolod<br />
35 wuTs. Sesasvleli karis raodenoba<br />
vagonis TiToeul mxares<br />
pirvel SemTxvevaSi unda iyos ori,<br />
meore SemTxvevaSi _ erTi. karis sigane<br />
pirvel SemTxvevaSi unda iyos<br />
1250 mm, meore SemTxvevaSi _ 800 mm.<br />
mizani gansazRvravs matarebels? _<br />
diax, gansazRvravs! ruseTisTvis<br />
aSenebuli matarebeli moergeba<br />
saqarTvelos? _ ara, ar moergeba!<br />
es is aris, rac erTi miaxloebiT<br />
Cans, Torem ufro detalurad Seswavlis<br />
Semdeg naTeli da cxadi<br />
gaxdeba Stadler KISS-isgan marTlac<br />
iafad SeviZineT satransporto sa-<br />
Sualeba, Tu piriqiT _ davzaraldiT?!”<br />
_ acxadebs daviT goCava.<br />
„qronika+” „eko transport<br />
centris” aRmasrulebel direq-<br />
tors, saqarTvelos teqnikuri<br />
universitetis transportis pro-<br />
gramis sainJinro mecnierebis<br />
doqtorants _ vasil uruSaZes<br />
daukavSirda:<br />
_ roca uwyebam informacia gaavrcela,<br />
rom orsarTuliani matareblebi<br />
SemohyavT da es warmogvidgina<br />
rogorc siurprizi, ra<br />
Tqma unda, erTi SexedviT, yvelas<br />
gagvixarda, gansakuTrebiT Cvens<br />
wreebSi, magram siurprizma cota<br />
dagvafiqra. msgavsi gadawyvetilebis<br />
miReba martivi ar unda yofiliyo,<br />
rasac win unda erTvodes<br />
diskusia: Tu ra problemebi gvaqvs<br />
mgzavrTa gadayvanis kuTxiT rkinigzaSi,<br />
Semdeg inJinrebsa da dargis<br />
eqspertebs am problemebis<br />
gadaWris Sesaxeb unda gaekeTebinaT<br />
analizi, ris merec unda mieRoT<br />
gadawyvetileba axali matareblebis<br />
SeZenis Sesaxeb, unda<br />
gamocxadebuliyo tenderi, konkursi<br />
da a. S. bunebrivia, Cven gagviCnda<br />
kiTxva: ratom „Stadleri” da<br />
ratom orsarTuliani? arsebobs<br />
Tu ara dargis specialistebis dasabuTeba<br />
teqnikuri usafrTxoebis<br />
mxriv, an ekonomikuri analizi?<br />
ratom SeCerda arCevani am konkretul<br />
sarkinigzo moZrav Semadgenlobaze?<br />
aseve kiTxvebi arsebobs<br />
teqnikur mxaresTan da usafrTxoebasTan<br />
dakavSirebiT, _ ramdenad<br />
relevanturia es gadawyvetileba?<br />
ramdenad aris saqarTvelos rkinigza<br />
adaptirebuli msgavsi tipis<br />
moZrav sarkinigzo Semadgenlobaze?<br />
da sxv. gamomdinare iqidan, rom<br />
Catarebuli tenderis, an konkursis<br />
Sesaxeb informacia, faqtobrivad,<br />
ar arsebobs da procesi Zalian<br />
gaumWvirvalea, werilobiT mivmarTeT<br />
„saqarTvelos rkinigzas”,<br />
Tumca 30 maisis Semdeg, praqtikulad,<br />
erTi Tve gavida da pasuxi ar<br />
aris... Cven ukve safuZvliani eWvi<br />
gvaqvs, rom am gadawyvetilebis<br />
ukan SesaZloa garkveuli pirebis<br />
korufciuli interesebic ki iyos.<br />
_ ra ar hqonda gaTvlili<br />
qarTul mxares?<br />
_ gvaqvs specifikuri reliefi,<br />
gvirabebiTa da maRali moxvevis<br />
kuTxeebiT datvirTuli sarkinigzo<br />
infrastruqtura. ramdenad<br />
gaTvlilia es faqtori da ramdenad<br />
arsebobs safuZvliani analizi<br />
amas dro gviCvenebs. ramdenad iqneba<br />
adaptirebuli Cvens reliefze,<br />
Cvens baqnebze ruseTis gareubnisTvis<br />
gaTvlili matarebeli?<br />
vrceldeba informacia TiTqos<br />
kompania „StadlerSi” ganacxades,<br />
rom „saqarTvelos rkinigzis” mier<br />
SeZenili Stadler KISS-is matareblebi<br />
Seesabameba „T” gabarits da igi<br />
Semowmebulia ara mxolod naxazebis<br />
SedarebiT, aramed praqtikuli<br />
gazomvis gziTac. isini sagulisxmod<br />
miiCneven, rom Sesyidvis xelSekrulebis<br />
gaformebamde teqnikuri<br />
moTxovnebis Sesabamisoba<br />
Semowmebuli da dadasturebulia<br />
germaniis rkinigzis (Deutsche Bahn<br />
AG – DB international) Sesabamisi<br />
eqspertebis mier da gacemulia dadebiTi<br />
daskvna. Tumca sajaro ar<br />
N23(154) 28.6-4.7.2016 w.<br />
_ mTavari problemaa maTi<br />
damokidebuleba da midgoma. es<br />
uwyeba arasamTavrobo organizaciebisTvis<br />
auRebel cixesimagred<br />
iqca. isini ar gvawvdian sajaro<br />
informacias. daCi caguria socialur<br />
qselSi gvexmianeba da aRniSnavs,<br />
rom „saqarTvelos rkinigza”<br />
ar aris valdebuli, sajaro informacia<br />
gasces. maSin roca rkinigzis<br />
100%-ian wils flobs sapartnioro<br />
fondi, xolo sapartnioro<br />
fondi saxelmwifos mflobeloba-<br />
Sia. isini gaurbian kanonmdeblobas<br />
da arasamTavrobo organizaciebs<br />
ar gvaZleven SesaZleblobas, „saqarTvelos<br />
rkinigzis” monitoringi<br />
gavwioT.<br />
_ da mTavari kiTxva: gaivlis<br />
Tu ara orsarTuliani matarebe-<br />
li wifis gvirabSi?<br />
_ dRes yvelaze metad „saqar-<br />
Tvelos rkinigzas” awyobs, mTeli<br />
yuradReba gadaitanos sakiTxze,<br />
gaivlis Tu ara matarebeli gvirabSi<br />
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mTavrobis gankargulebebidan<br />
3 Tvis Semdeg<br />
utenderod gaformda da rac<br />
mTavaria, momsaxureba moicavda<br />
grZelvadian periods. es xelSekrulebebi<br />
gaformda Sps<br />
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"O.K. Media Europe"-Tan. kontraqtze<br />
xelismomweri vinme<br />
oksana Cernenkoa. am kompaniasTan<br />
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(ruseTi, belarusi, yazaxeTi,<br />
ukraina) _ sareklamo kampaniisaTvis,<br />
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xelSekruleba.<br />
zogadad es aris is, rac ukve<br />
Cveulebriv movlenad iqca.<br />
mTavrobam cxovreba gaimartiva.<br />
Tavisi marTlac da ukanono<br />
gankargulebebiT ar atareben<br />
tenderebs, romelic iZleva sa-<br />
Sualebas, xelSekrulebebi gaaformo<br />
sasurvel kompaniebTan.<br />
ra Tqma unda, am dros gacilebiT<br />
met Tanxas vixdiT ama<br />
Tu im momsaxurebaSi da Sedegad<br />
iflangeba sabiujeto Tanxebi.<br />
ra moxda 2016 wels? zustad<br />
igive sqemiT, igive mTavrobis<br />
gadawyvetilebiT, saqarTvelos<br />
mTavrobis 2016 wlis 8 aprilis<br />
#1860 gankargulebiT, isev da<br />
isev, utenderod gauformda<br />
xelSekruleba Sps "dijiTal<br />
edsTan" _ TanxiT 4 660 000<br />
larze.<br />
jamSi: Sps "dijiTal edss"<br />
2015-2016 wlebSi utenderod<br />
gauformda, daaxloebiT, 7 000<br />
000 larze meti xelSekruleba.<br />
yvela es xelSekruleba dadebulia<br />
da atvirTulia saxelmwifo<br />
Sesyidvebis vebgverdze.<br />
Cven gTavazobT am xelSekrulebebisa<br />
da kompaniebis amonawerebs<br />
sawarmoTa reestridan.<br />
SeuiaraRebeli TvaliTac<br />
advili dasanaxia, rom kanonebi<br />
Segnebulad irRveva da, isev da<br />
isev, Cven vambobT, rom mTavari<br />
damnaSave aris saxelmwifo Sesyidvebis<br />
saagento, romelsac<br />
am procesebis monitoringi avalia<br />
da am wlebis ganmavlobaSi<br />
araTu raime SeniSvna miuciaT<br />
Semsyidveli organizaciebis-<br />
Tvis, aramed wliur angariSeb-<br />
Si rekomendaciebis saxiTac ar<br />
aris moxseniebuli es problemebi.<br />
ra Tqma unda, saxelmwifom<br />
sareklamo kampaniebi unda Caataros,<br />
gzebi unda daagos, saavadmyofoebi<br />
unda aaSenos da<br />
cifrul mauwyeblobaze unda<br />
gadavides, magram es ar aris<br />
kerZo kompania da romelime<br />
biznesmenis fuli, es aris biujetis<br />
Tanxebi da is unda daixarjos<br />
ekonomiurad, efeqtianad<br />
da rac mTavaria imisTvis,<br />
rom mosaxleobis sxvadasxva<br />
fenam igrZnos ganxorcielebuli<br />
sikeTe. saWiroa, es Tanxebi<br />
gadanawildes samarTlianad da<br />
ara mTavrobis romelime, amaTu<br />
im gavleniani Cinovnikis sasurvel<br />
kompaniaze. es aris is<br />
sistemuri korufcia, rodesac<br />
mTavrobis sxvadasxva uwyeba<br />
Sexmatkbilebulad "apravebs"<br />
saxelmwifo Sesyidvebis xelSekrulebebs<br />
da amiT flangavs da<br />
araefeqtianad xarjavs saxelmwifo<br />
biujetis Tanxebs.<br />
giorgi bajeliZe _<br />
a/o Sesyidvebis<br />
monitoringisa da<br />
swavlebis centris<br />
direqtori<br />
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Sedegi naTelia: es aris istebliSmentis<br />
winaaRmdeg gadadgmuli<br />
nabiji. samwuxaroa, rom<br />
istebliSmentis winaaRmdeg araswori,<br />
izolacionisturi da<br />
nacionalisturi nabiji gadaidga,<br />
romlis winaaRmdegac bevri<br />
zomierad memarjvene politikosic<br />
ibrZoda. evrokavSiri<br />
XX saukunis erT-erTi saukeTeso<br />
da mSvidobiani proeqti iyo,<br />
romelmac namdvilad moitana<br />
dasavleT evropaSi socialuri<br />
demokratia da keTildReobis<br />
sazogadoeba. magram, rogorc<br />
etyoba, Sumanis aqts Tavisi naklovanebebic<br />
hqonda. ufro<br />
sworad, Sumanis aqts ki ara _<br />
1989 wlidan msoflioSi arsebul<br />
„axal msoflio wesrigs”,<br />
romelSic neoliberalurma<br />
„vaSingtonis konsesusma”, praqtikulad,<br />
iaraRis gareSe daimorCila<br />
mTeli danarCeni msoflio.<br />
arada, am periodSi msoflios<br />
mosaxleoba SesamCnevad<br />
gaizarda _ dReisTvis ukve 7<br />
miliard adamians gadaaWarba. am<br />
adamianebis absoluturi umravlesoba<br />
ki e. w. mesame samyaroSi<br />
cxovrobs, sadac adamianis sicocxlis<br />
fasi an Zalian pataraa,<br />
an nuls utoldeba, jorjo<br />
agambenis terminis ar iyos.<br />
„civi omis” damTavrebis Semdeg<br />
msoflio mosaxleobis 80-90<br />
procenti, ubralod, „sulier<br />
arsebad” iqca, romlis mokvlac<br />
da ganadgurebac aranair problemas<br />
ar warmoadgens Zalauflebis<br />
mqone elitisTvis. rom-<br />
Si aseT arsebas „homo sakerad”<br />
moixseniebdnen. 1989 wlis mere<br />
wamosulma „vaSingtonis konsesusis”<br />
neoliberalurma wesrigma<br />
veranairad ver gaaumjobesa<br />
adamianebis umravlesobis cxovreba.<br />
axali, neoliberaluri<br />
diskursis batonobis pirobeb-<br />
Si, mdidrebi kidev ufro gamdidrdnen<br />
da Raribebi kidev<br />
ufro gaRatakdnen. Tanac neoliberali<br />
oligarqebis slogani<br />
„me minda, yvela gamdidrdes”,<br />
an „rac SeiZleba, meti<br />
mdidari minda vnaxo”, absolu-<br />
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simarTlec.<br />
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evrokavSiri meore msoflio<br />
omis Semdeg iyo erT-erTi saukeTeso<br />
proeqti dasavlur civilizaciaSi.<br />
Sumanisa da misi<br />
TanamebrZolebis xedviT evropul<br />
saxelmwifoebs unda gadaelaxaT<br />
iakobinuri „eri-saxelmwifos”<br />
viwro nacionalisturi<br />
sazRvrebi da sabolood SeeqmnaT<br />
erToblivi da sakacobrio<br />
idealebiT gajerebuli sivrce.<br />
da marTlac _ 1990-ian wlebSi<br />
es SesaZlebeli gaxda. cnobilma<br />
germanelma filosofosma,<br />
frankfurtis skolis erT-erTma<br />
gamoCenilma warmomadgenelma,<br />
iurgen habermasma da didma<br />
frangma moazrovnem da dekonstruqciis<br />
mamam, Jak deridam<br />
evrokavSiris mier nacionaluri<br />
sazRvrebis moxsnas orive<br />
xeliT mxari dauWires da amas<br />
filosofiuri traqtatic miuZRvnes.<br />
es, Tavisi arsiT, kacobriobis<br />
istoriaSi erT-erTi<br />
udidesi movlena iyo, iseve rogorc<br />
misi himni _ ludvig van<br />
beThovenis mecxre simfonia. iakobinuri<br />
da SemdgomSi ukve<br />
nacistur-faSisturi eTnikuri<br />
nacionalizmis damarcxeba, Sesabamisad,<br />
SesaZlebeli gaxda.<br />
1990 wlidan evrokavSiri msoflioSi<br />
oficialurad ikavebs<br />
„amqveyniuri samoTxis” adgils.<br />
evropuli demokratia sawyis<br />
etapebze araCveulebrivad mu-<br />
Saobda, magram, Semdgom ukve<br />
2000-ian wlebSi da 2010 wlis<br />
merec evrokavSiris biurokratia<br />
nel-nela evrooligarqias<br />
kargad Seerwya _ daiwyo social-demokratiuli<br />
sivrcis<br />
nel-nela neoliberalizacia.<br />
amas daemata is, rom evrokav-<br />
SirSi, bevris azriT, naadrevad<br />
miiRes aRmosavleT evropis<br />
reaqciuli qveynebi, sadac uaRresi<br />
nacionalizmi ualternativo<br />
diskursia. aRmosavleT<br />
evropa dRes erT-erTi yvelaze<br />
reaqciuli adgilia msoflioSi,<br />
romelic nebsiT Tu uneblieT<br />
xels uwyobs msoflio neoliberaluri<br />
diskursis gaZlierebas.<br />
evropeli socialistebic<br />
teqnokratiul banakSi aRmoCndnen<br />
da SedarebiT zomieri,<br />
magram mainc korumpirebuli<br />
biznespartia gaxda. Zveli patriarqaluri<br />
da biurgeruli<br />
wesrigi mxolod kosmetikurad<br />
Seicvala. aman, bunebrivia, ukmayofileba<br />
gamoiwvia. da, ai,<br />
Sedegic movida.<br />
sul ramdenime dRis winaT<br />
didi britaneTis mosaxleobis<br />
52-ma procentma xma misca evrokavSiridan<br />
dedofal elisabed<br />
meoris gaerTianebuli samefos<br />
gamosvlas. konservatorma<br />
premierma, deivid kemeronma,<br />
ukve gaakeTa gancxadeba gadadgomis<br />
Sesaxeb. britanuli referendumis<br />
Sedegi Sokismomgvreli<br />
aRmoCnda evrokavSiris<br />
politikuri da finansuri elitebisTvis.<br />
aravin moeloda aseT<br />
gadawyvetilebas. metic, axla<br />
TviTon britaneTis gaerTianebuli<br />
samefos erTianobis sakiTxic<br />
kiTxvis niSnis qveS dadga.<br />
Sotlandia da CrdiloeT<br />
irlandia evrokavSiris xaTriT<br />
`sul ramdenime dRis winaT didi britaneTis<br />
mosaxleobis 52-ma procentma xma misca<br />
evrokavSiridan dedofal elisabed meoris<br />
gaerTianebuli samefos gamosvlas.<br />
konservatorma premierma, deivid kemeronma,<br />
ukve gaakeTa gancxadeba gadadgomis Sesaxeb.<br />
britanuli referendumis Sedegi<br />
Sokismomgvreli aRmoCnda evrokavSiris<br />
politikuri da finansuri elitebisTvis. aravin<br />
moeloda aseT gadawyvetilebas. metic, axla<br />
TviTon britaneTis gaerTianebuli samefos<br />
erTianobis sakiTxic kiTxvis niSnis qveS dadga~<br />
Tu iyvnen Union Jack-is imperiuli<br />
droSis qveS, romelsac<br />
ukve bevri saukunea ebrZvian<br />
Tavisuflebis mopovebisTvis.<br />
wamyvanma kaTolikurma partiam<br />
CrdiloeT irlandiaSi „Sin<br />
feinma” ukve moiTxova referendumi<br />
ori irlandiis gaerTianebaze<br />
da ulsteris mier britaneTis<br />
samefos datovebaze.<br />
Sotlandiis mTavarma ministrma<br />
Sotlandiuri damoukideblobis<br />
referendumis ganmeorebis<br />
sakiTxi daayena. girvanqa<br />
sterlingis Rirebuleba aseT<br />
dabal niSnulze 1985 wlis Semdeg<br />
aRar yofila. erTaderTi<br />
politikuri subieqti, romelmac<br />
Riad dauWira mxari BREX-<br />
IT-s, amerikis respublikuri partiis<br />
eqstravagantuli warmomadgeneli<br />
da valdimir putinis<br />
Tayvanismcemeli, donald trampia.<br />
britanuli referendumis<br />
`britaneTis evrokavSiridan gasvla nacionalizmisken da<br />
izolaciisken gadadgmuli nabijia, romelic, albaT, pirvel<br />
rigSi, TviTon gaerTianebul samefos daazaralebs.<br />
evrokavSiri postmodernuli civilizaciis erT-erTi<br />
yvelaze kargi proeqti iyo - rom ar yofiliyo politikuri<br />
elitebis neoliberaluri korufcia - es namdvilad<br />
beThovenis mecxre simfoniisa da Sileris "sixarulis odis"<br />
proeqti iyo~<br />
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turad gaSiSvlda, rogorc usindoso<br />
tyuili. es gaumaZRari<br />
banditebi, _ „msxvil kerZo mesakuTreTa”<br />
didi umravlesoba,<br />
mTeli msoflios qveynebis kanonebs<br />
ofSorebSi emaleba da es<br />
kargad gamoaCina kidev erTxel<br />
„panamis dokumentebma”. is politikuri<br />
istebliSmenti, romelic<br />
„stabilur Crdilo-atlantikur<br />
hegemonias” zedamxedvelobda,<br />
korufciaSi aRmoCnda<br />
Cafluli. axla amerikis prezidentobis<br />
kandidatebs Soris<br />
konkurenciaSi praimerebze<br />
xalxma aSkarad xma misca istebliSmentis<br />
sawinaaRmdegod. neoliberaluri<br />
istebliSmentis<br />
erT-erTi „cisfersisxliani<br />
aristokratuli” klanis warmomadgenelma,<br />
jeb buSma, praimeri<br />
pirwmindad waago arapolitikos<br />
donald trampTan. populisti<br />
oligarqi trampi, rogorc<br />
aRmoCnda, ubralo amerikeli<br />
amomrCevlis problemebs da wuxilebs<br />
ukeT icnobs, vidre misi<br />
politikosi oponentebi. politikosoba<br />
ukve samarcxvino saqmianoba<br />
xdeba. es, albaT, imitom<br />
moxda, rom neoliberalizmis<br />
pirobebSi bevrma sajaro<br />
moxelem gadawyvita, politikosoba<br />
profesiad eqcia _ arada,<br />
es ase ar aris. politikosoba<br />
aris movaleoba da ara privilegia.<br />
da politikoss sxva profesiaSi<br />
dabrunebac unda SeeZlos.<br />
magram neoliberalur politikaSi<br />
imxela fuli Sevida, rom<br />
axla ukve senators an kongresmens<br />
eqimad an maswavleblad mu-<br />
Saoba aRar unda. amerikaSi demokratiuli<br />
partiis yvelaze<br />
Zlieri bastioni klintonebis<br />
ojaxia _ orive col-qmari uni-<br />
Wieresi da uganaTlebulesi<br />
adamiania. magram dRes hilari<br />
klintons Zalian uWirs braldebebisgan<br />
Tavis dacva. man, praqtikulad,<br />
garantirebul praimerebze<br />
20 StatSi(?!) waago Tavis<br />
74 wlis Warmag da naxevrad pensiaze<br />
gasul _ oRond, simarTlis<br />
mTqmel oponentTan _ berni<br />
sandersTan. rodesac klintonis<br />
saarCevno manqana 50-dan<br />
20 StatSi arCevnebs agebs naxevrad<br />
pensioner vermontel senatorTan<br />
_ esec istebliSmentis<br />
didi krizisis maCvenebelia.<br />
alen badiu kargad wers, rom<br />
liberaluri wesrigis mTavari<br />
mteri sworedac rom korufciaa.<br />
es imas ar niSnavs, rom sxva<br />
sistemebSi korufcia ar aris.<br />
ara, ubralod, liberaluri ideologiis<br />
farglebSi „warmatebis”<br />
kultia da am „warmatebis”<br />
mTavari sazomi erTeuli „forbsis”<br />
aseulSi Tu ara xuTaseulSi<br />
moxvedraa. anu adamiani ganizomeba<br />
mis mier dagrovili,<br />
moxveWili, an, sulac, moparuli<br />
(Tu ver Caavles) fulis raodenobis<br />
mixedviT. „vaSingtonis<br />
konsesusis” Semdeg daikarga<br />
igive puritanuli eTikis<br />
mTavari ontologiuri<br />
pirobac _ rom „axali<br />
ierusalimis”<br />
mSeneblobisas puritanebs<br />
„patiosani<br />
Sroma” miaCndaT<br />
mTavar Rirebulebad.<br />
dRevandeli<br />
neoliberaluri<br />
korufciis pirobebSi<br />
iseTi terminebi, rogoricaa<br />
„patiosani Sroma”, „sindisis<br />
erTguleba”, „siyvaruli”<br />
_ absoluturi sigiJis sinonimebia.<br />
dRevandel dRes „warmateba”<br />
aris erTaderTi salocavi<br />
xati. „siyvaruli” ki fsiqikurad<br />
moSlili adamianebis<br />
devid kemeroni<br />
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neoliberaluri wesrigis<br />
mTavari RerZi. da sulac ar<br />
aris ucnauri, rom am Senobas<br />
fundamenti Seerya.<br />
Tumca cudi isaa, rom britaneTis<br />
evrokavSiridan gasvla<br />
nacionalizmisken da izolaciisken<br />
gadadgmuli nabijia,<br />
romelic, albaT, pirvel rigSi,<br />
TviTon gaerTianebul samefos<br />
daazaralebs. evrokavSiri postmodernuli<br />
civilizaciis<br />
erT-erTi yvelaze kargi proeqti<br />
iyo _ rom ar yofiliyo<br />
politikuri elitebis neoliberaluri<br />
korufcia _ es<br />
namdvilad beThovenis<br />
mecxre simfoniisa da<br />
Sileris „sixarulis<br />
odis” proeqti iyo.<br />
evropaSi da amerika-<br />
Sic gaZlierda<br />
neofaSisturi<br />
ritorika _<br />
qsenofobia<br />
1930-iani<br />
irakli<br />
kakabaZis<br />
gverdi<br />
wlebis Semdeg aseTi Zlieri arasdros<br />
yofila. gaeros monacemebiT,<br />
2015 wels sakuTari saxlebidan<br />
axlo aRmosavleTSi,<br />
afrikasa da aziaSi uxeSi ZaliT<br />
gamoyares 65 milioni adamiani.<br />
zogjer ipoTekis gadauxdelobis<br />
gamo _ sabanko struqturuli<br />
ZaladobiT, zogjer eTnikuri<br />
zizRis gamo, zogjerac<br />
religiuri SeuwynareblobiT.<br />
es yvelaferi neoliberaluri<br />
msoflio wesrigis elemenetebia.<br />
da es msoflio wesrigi ar<br />
muSaobs. korporatokratia<br />
msoflios mosaxleobis patara<br />
procents amdidrebs, danarCeni<br />
ki cudad aris.<br />
dRes xalxi mravalxmovan<br />
msoflio wesrigs eZebs. iseT<br />
wesrigs, sadac TiToeuli msoflios<br />
moqalaqis xma odnav mainc<br />
iqneba gaTvaliswinebuli da<br />
`dRes msoflioSi didi krizisia. yvelaze<br />
relevanturi kiTxva isaa, aris es Cveulebrivi<br />
krizisi, Tu umniSvnelovanesi TariRia XXI<br />
saukunis msoflio istoriaSi? aris Tu ara<br />
breqsiti neoliberalizmis dasasrulis<br />
dasawyisi? amaze pasuxs uaxloes or weliwadSi<br />
gavigebT. faqtia, rom neoliberalurma<br />
monoliTma rRveva daiwyo~<br />
yvelas miecema bednierebisken<br />
swrafvis SesaZlebloba. Tomas<br />
jefersonis am ideals msofliosTvis<br />
dResac ar daukargavs<br />
mniSvneloba. dRes, ise rogorc<br />
arasdros, msoflio ekonomikas<br />
sWirdeba decentralizacia,<br />
imisaTvis, rom yvela kontinentze<br />
_ da CvenTanac, saqarTveloSic<br />
_ iyos socialuri,<br />
ekonomikuri da profesiuli<br />
SesaZleblobebi. es aris<br />
erTaderTi misaRebi formula<br />
dReisaTvis.<br />
dRes msoflioSi didi krizisia.<br />
yvelaze relevanturi ki-<br />
Txva isaa, aris es Cveulebrivi<br />
krizisi, Tu umniSvnelovanesi<br />
TariRia XXI saukunis msoflio<br />
istoriaSi? aris Tu ara breqsiti<br />
neoliberalizmis dasasrulis<br />
dasawyisi?<br />
amaze pasuxs uaxloes or weliwadSi<br />
gavigebT. faqtia, rom<br />
neoliberalurma monoliTma<br />
rRveva daiwyo.<br />
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ambebi...<br />
_ es CemTvis gamocxadebuli<br />
mkvlelobis qronikasaviTaa. ivaniSvilma<br />
noemberSi ver SeZlo, xelSi<br />
Caegdo „rusTavi 2". SegaxsenebT,<br />
rom maSin mmarTvelic ki<br />
daaniSnina mosamarTle urTmeliZes,<br />
romelic axla iusticiis sab-<br />
WoSi mivida, raTa mosamarTled gadainiSnos.<br />
darwmunebuli var, rom<br />
moqmedi iusticiis sabWo mas mxars<br />
dauWers, radgan mis davalebas asrulebda.<br />
urTmeliZem Cvens mar-<br />
TlmsajulebaSi precedenti Semoitana,<br />
rom deda ojaxis wevri ar<br />
aris, rom dedis danaSaulis Sesaxeb<br />
man iq SemTxveviT gaigo. miuTi-<br />
Ta muxli, rom, TiTqosda, ZaladobiT<br />
daaTmobines televizia xalvaSs,<br />
magram CvenebaSi da saqmeSi<br />
aranairi detali ar devs, Tu ra<br />
iyo es Zaladoba, es arsad weria.<br />
germanul kanonmdeblobaze mosaubrem,<br />
rogorc aRmoCnda, arc<br />
germanuli icis da arc inglisuri,<br />
es yvelaferi leqsikoniT waukiTxavs,<br />
sadRac amoukiTxavs. amitom me<br />
vici, sadac daiwera es gadawyvetileba...<br />
Semdeg meore nabiji saapelacio<br />
sasamarTlo iyo. iqac gansakuTrebiT<br />
gujabiZes gamovyofdi, romelic<br />
binas TaRliTuri gziT qiraobda<br />
da saxelmwifos 500 lars awerda,<br />
rom dedamisis binaSi ecxovra.<br />
aRsaniSnavia mosamarTle natalia<br />
nazRaiZis, Tavmjdomaris roli.<br />
miuxedavad imisa, rom saqmeSi<br />
arc erTi Cvenebis furceli ar<br />
devs, sadac Zaladobis Semcvel<br />
qmedebaze iqneba saubari, ase aiRes<br />
da miakuTvnes. faqtia, rom „rusTavi<br />
2"-is saqmes sakonstitucio<br />
sasamarTlo ixilavs. vici, iqac<br />
msjeloben, rom mosamarTleebs<br />
gadawyvetileba daagvianebinon. amis<br />
naTeli magaliTia turava, romelic<br />
„qarTulma ocnebam” daniSna<br />
sasamarTloSi. turavam isargebla,<br />
rom margvelaSvilma plenumis sakiTxze<br />
veto ar gamoiyena. am yvelafris<br />
kalendari biZina ivaniSvilma<br />
Seadgina. amitom undodaT<br />
saswrafod CaebarebinaT dokumenti,<br />
rom rac SeiZleba Seumciron<br />
vada sakonstitucio sasamarTlos.<br />
ician, rom iq mosamarTleebze<br />
didi zewola midis da, sabolood,<br />
ra Tqma unda, ivaniSvilis mizania,<br />
rom „rusTavi 2"-s arCevnebamde<br />
Seecvalos mflobeli da misi mesakuTre<br />
gaxdes piradad ivaniSvili,<br />
radgan qibar xalvaSi arasodes<br />
yofila am televiziis realuri<br />
mflobeli.<br />
man imitom daTmo ase advilad<br />
televizia (Tu rame axsovT „rus-<br />
Tavi 2"-is Jurnalistebs, an iq momuSave<br />
personals), rom uazrod<br />
ereoda saredaqcio politikaSi.<br />
amitom es aris gamocxadebuli<br />
mkvlelobis qronika da me, ubralod,<br />
darwmunebuli var, rom<br />
rogorc maSin, noemberSi ar gamouvidaT,<br />
iseve ar gamouvaT dResac.<br />
_ ivaniSvilis kalendari ax-<br />
seneT, ra gavlenas moaxdens es<br />
procesi arCevnebze da, saerTod,<br />
qveynis ganviTarebaze?<br />
_ pirvel rigSi, qveynis swori<br />
gziT ganviTarebaze uaryofiTad<br />
imoqmedebs. Cven axla gvelaparakebian,<br />
bizness rogor icaven, sfero<br />
rogori xelSeuvalia da a. S., magram<br />
es naTeli magaliTia, rogor ar-<br />
Tmeven biznesmens. igive gia da levan<br />
yaramaniSvilebs amxela bizness<br />
arTmeven. es erT-erTi saqmea, rasac<br />
Cven vxedavT. kidev uamravia,<br />
sadac Cven kidev ar viciT, ra xdeba,<br />
an ra garigebebi da Serigebebi,<br />
an morigebebi midis. amitom es procesi<br />
Zalian did gavlenas moaxdens<br />
qveynis imijze da, ra Tqma unda,<br />
saarCevno procesi absoluturad<br />
sxvanairad warimarTeba. magram mainc<br />
mgonia, rom amas ver gaakeTeben.<br />
_ vano merabiSvilis mimarT<br />
gamotanili evrosasamarTlos<br />
gadawyvetileba rogor unda aRsruldes?<br />
Tqveni pozicia rogo-<br />
ria?<br />
_ „qocebma” da ivaniSvilma rac<br />
ar unda ilaparakon, faqtia, rom<br />
me-18 muxliT evropis adamianis<br />
uflebaTa sasamarTlos Tavis ganaCenSi<br />
sul sami politikosi hyavs<br />
moxseniebuli: timoSenko, lucenko<br />
da merabiSvili (politikuri patimrebi).<br />
ianukoviCi iZulebuli gaxda,<br />
lucenko im wuTSive gamoeSva, rogorc<br />
ki es gadawyvetileba gam-<br />
mixeil maWavariani:<br />
`gamarjvebisTvis<br />
vemzadebiT,<br />
yvela Sansi<br />
gvaqvs!~<br />
oica; timoSenkoze rac moxda,<br />
Tqvenc kargad iciT; amitom merabiSvilis<br />
mimarT xelisufleba rac<br />
ufro daagvianebs, saqarTvelos<br />
imiji miT ufro dazaraldeba. magram,<br />
rogorc Cans, maT ar adardebT<br />
imiji.<br />
_ merabiSvilis SemTxveva,<br />
„rusTavi 2"-is procesebi ramde-<br />
nad moqmedebs vizaliberaliza-<br />
ciaze?<br />
_ vizaliberalizaciis procesze<br />
ufro Cveni mTavrobis unia-<br />
Tobam imoqmeda. axla amaze detalurad<br />
minda giTxraT: rodesac<br />
moldovam vizaliberalizacia 2015<br />
wlis aprilSi miiRo, maSin arc migrantebis<br />
krizisi iyo da arc sxva<br />
problemebi. kari gaixsna da Cvenma<br />
mTavrobam maSin araferi gaakeTa,<br />
rom procesi im karSi Sesuliyo.<br />
amas daemata problemebi, romelic<br />
saxezea.<br />
erTxel vTqvi da vimeoreb:<br />
Tqven rogor fiqrobT, roca evroparlamentarebi<br />
strasburgis gadawyvetilebas<br />
(merabiSvilze) igeben,<br />
korcxelis darbevas uyureben,<br />
kiTxuloben, rom erT-erT damoukidebel<br />
televizias yovelgvari<br />
kanonebis gareSe xelisufleba da<br />
oligarqi ivaniSvili iTrevs... axla,<br />
es rom xels ar Seuwyobda am<br />
integraciis process, xom naTelia?<br />
iseve, rogorc mTavrobam, Tavis<br />
`ivaniSvili acnobierebs,<br />
rom arCevnebSi waagebs~<br />
droze, ver moZebna momenti, mieRo<br />
is, rasac qarTveli xalxi imsaxurebs.<br />
_ am konteqstSi ivaniSvilis<br />
bolo Ria werili SevafasoT, ras<br />
gamoyofdiT, ramdenad asaxavs is<br />
realobas?<br />
_ es kaci realobas ki ar aris<br />
mowyvetili, unda, rom aseTi realoba<br />
iyos. gaixseneT misi naTqvami,<br />
rom Cven bankirebi unda daviqiravoT,<br />
raTa ekonomikur problemeb-<br />
Si ar CavvardeT; gaixseneT misi<br />
naTqvami, rodesac meoTxe saukeTeso<br />
weliwadma 2030 wlisTvis gadaiwia;<br />
gaixseneT, rom is moenatreba<br />
xalxs; is tyuilebi, rac im weril-<br />
Si ekonomikasTan aris dakavSirebuli<br />
da a. S.<br />
vfiqrob, ivaniSvili Zalian kargad<br />
acnobierebs, rom problemebi<br />
aqvs da arCevnebSi waagebs. amitom<br />
aris axla gadmomdgari da yvela<br />
televizias aZlevs intervius, Tu<br />
rogori saamuria cxovreba...<br />
ra Tqma unda, es aravis sjera<br />
im ramdenime biznesmenis garda,<br />
romelmac ufaso da iafi krediti<br />
miiRo. me da Tqven vixdiT, sxvaTa<br />
Soris, im kreditis procents. amitom<br />
zRaprebis ukve aravis sjera.<br />
vimeoreb: saubaria ramdenime biznesmenze,<br />
romelic Riad epirfereba.<br />
axla, Tqven rom mogcen aTmilioniani<br />
krediti (10 milioni rom<br />
angariSze gaqvT) da kreditis minimalur<br />
procents saxelmwifo ixdides<br />
(anu me da viRacebi vixdideT<br />
Tqvens kredits), Tqven ra<br />
damokidebuleba geqnebodaT am<br />
mTavrobasTan? karis biznesmenebic<br />
ase iqcevian.<br />
ramdenime biznesmens, vinc diTirambebi<br />
miuZRvna mTavrobas, SexedeT,<br />
dasaqmebis programaSi ramdeni<br />
milioni krediti aqvs aRebuli<br />
saxelmwifos xarjze. isini bankirebi<br />
arian.<br />
me da Tqven rom mivideT bankSi,<br />
ra kredits mogvcemen? aba, naxeT<br />
da darwmundebiT. samagierod, maT<br />
iafi krediti aqvT da me da Tqven<br />
vixdiT maTi momsaxurebis fuls.<br />
Seaqebs, aba, ra iqneba?<br />
magram vimeoreb: mxolod ramdenimea<br />
aseTi, radgan biznesmenebis<br />
umravlesobam Zalian kargad<br />
icis, rogor mZimed aris saqme<br />
saqarTveloSi.<br />
guSin vusmendi, bankebis asociaciis<br />
warmomadgeneli saubrobda,<br />
rom adre biznesze diqtati iyo da<br />
Tavisufal garemoze axla gadavediTo.<br />
ra diqtati iyo?! Caxedos<br />
14 N23(154) 28.6-4.7.2016 w.<br />
da naxos, rogor gaizarda, ramdenjer<br />
gaizarda 2003 welTan SedarebiT<br />
sabanko seqtori da ekonomika.<br />
TiTo boTl kontrabandul<br />
borjoms da Rvinos davdevdiT,<br />
rom biznesi ganviTarebuliyo.<br />
rogor ar rcxveniaT?<br />
magram es xalxi igives laparakobda<br />
SevardnaZis dros, mere miSasac<br />
ase epirfereboda da axla<br />
igives agrZelebs. axali mTavroba<br />
rom mova, isev gaagrZelebs Cveul<br />
stilSi erTi da igive xalxi. yvelaze<br />
ar vlaparakob, ramdenimea<br />
aseTi da maTi cxovreba, ra Tqma<br />
unda, ukeTesi yofisken Seicvala<br />
da SeuZliaT, ivaniSvils diTirambebi<br />
miuZRvnan. magram ekonomikaSi<br />
stagnaciaa, ekonomikuri zrda<br />
Senelebulia, umuSevroba izrdeba,<br />
lari ufasurdeba...<br />
_ ramdenime biznesmeni axseneT.<br />
SegiZliaT, isini daasaxeloT?<br />
_ wamkiTxavi gaigebs, erT-erTze<br />
vityvi: TvalSi da yurSi momxvda<br />
yofili premier-ministris Zmis<br />
gamonaTqvamebi. misi Zma rom iyo<br />
premieri, maSin iCagreboda biznesi?<br />
ar vici, Cemi Zma ar yofila<br />
premier-ministri da...<br />
albaT, mixvdiT, viszec aris<br />
saubari. ojaxSi eCxuba im gilaurisTvis,<br />
Tu rame ar moswonda, ramis<br />
Tqma akrZaluli hqonda? gilauri<br />
iseTi premieri iyo, rom xeliT<br />
eWira, amaze ojaxSi ar miTxraTo?<br />
axla amoisunTqa?<br />
me 20 welia, politikaSi var, ar<br />
mikvirs. piriqiT, gamikvirda, ufro<br />
metad rogor ar dautkbnen.<br />
komunistebis dros mixako oragveliZe<br />
iyo kolmeurneobis Tavmjdomare<br />
da misi cnobili gamoTqmaa:<br />
SevardnaZe rom daniSnes ceka-<br />
Si da jumber patiaSvili pirvel<br />
mdivnad dainiSna, mixako oragveliZem<br />
uTxra, _ SevardnaZis wasvla<br />
Tqvenma mosvlam gadamatanina, batono<br />
jumbero...<br />
patara xalxia, cotaa, magram<br />
gamoCndnen, Tavisi Tavi gamoaCines.<br />
_ ivaniSvilis kidev erTxel<br />
CarTva saarCevno procesSi „oc-<br />
nebas” ras moutans?<br />
_ iciT, ra, Cvenma mosaxleobam<br />
Zalian kargad icis, rom pasuxismgebeli<br />
am yvelaferze aris „ocneba”<br />
da ivaniSvili. Tavis droze,<br />
xalxs ar aurCevia arc RaribaSvili<br />
da arc kvirikaSvili. iseve,<br />
rogorc kacma ar icis, rodis<br />
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mis satelitebTan erTad.<br />
`qronika+” „memarcxene alian-<br />
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is saqmeze saapelacio sasamarT-<br />
los gadawyvetilebas da Semdgom<br />
process?<br />
_ Zalian kargad gvaxsovs saakaSvilis<br />
cxrawliani mmarTvelobis<br />
periodi, rodesac sasamarTlo<br />
prokuraturis danamati iyo. rac<br />
mixeil saakaSvils, „nacionaluri<br />
moZraobis” liderebs hqondaT Cafiqrebuli<br />
da prokuraturas winaswar<br />
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mimaCnia, rom dRes politikosis<br />
mxridan mimdinare sasamarTlo<br />
procesSi Careva ar SeiZleba, radgan<br />
sasamarTlom marTlmsajuleba<br />
unda ganaxorcielos da dados<br />
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aRdgenaa~<br />
is yofili mepatrone. misi gancxadebiT,<br />
telekompania yofilma xelisuflebam<br />
waarTva. radgan es<br />
kerZo televiziaa, mxareebma unda<br />
idavon da rasac sasamarTlo gadawyvets,<br />
albaT, unda daemorCilon<br />
kidec. amitom „rusTavi 2"-is procesSi<br />
ar Cavreulvar da arc raime<br />
gancxadeba gamikeTebia. arc gavakeTeb,<br />
sanam es procesi ar<br />
damTavrdeba da saqmeze saboloo<br />
gadawyvetileba ar dadgeba.<br />
rac Seexeba qveyanaSi mimdinare<br />
procesebs: arCevnebi rac ufro<br />
axlovdeba, politikuri cxovrebis<br />
temperatura matulobs, magram<br />
SevxedeoT, vin Zabavs dRes qveyanaSi<br />
situacias? erT mxares aris<br />
„qarTuli ocneba” da masTan koaliciaSi<br />
myofi Zalebi, romlebic<br />
TiTqos gamoeyvnen, magram mTavrobis<br />
SemadgenlobaSi mainc darCnen.<br />
amave dros, isini TavianT mowinaaRmdegeebad<br />
miiCneven „nacionalur<br />
moZraobas”, romelic aqamde<br />
unda akrZaluli yofiliyo im danaSaulebisTvis,<br />
rac am partiam da<br />
misma liderebma, prezidentma<br />
Caidines. iseve, rogorc, Tavis<br />
droze, aikrZala faSisturi partia,<br />
cnobili niurnbergis procesis<br />
Semdeg. samwuxarod, „qarTulma<br />
ocnebam” es ar ganaxorciela.<br />
piriqiT, mwvane aunTes kohabitaciiT.<br />
Sedegad, „nacionalur moZraobas”,<br />
mis liderebs Tavxedoba hyofniT<br />
da dRes saqarTvelos mosaxleobas<br />
gamowvevas ugzavnian, _<br />
Turme isini mTavar opoziciur<br />
partias warmoadgenen. es mocemuloba<br />
TviTon „ocnebam” Seqmna,<br />
xalxs raRacnairad efiqra, rom<br />
marto „nacionaluri moZraoba”<br />
iyo opoziciuri Zala.<br />
Tumca erT-erT upirveles<br />
poziciebze Cveni „memarcxene<br />
aliansia”, erovnuli Zala, romelic,<br />
rasakvirvelia, „nacionaluri<br />
moZraobis” saTanadod dasjas iTxovs.<br />
iseve, rogorc yovelTvis<br />
vakritikebT „qarTul ocnebas”<br />
darRvevebisTvis. mTavrobis saqmianobaSi<br />
Zalian bevri uaryofiTi<br />
mxarea, romelic xelis gulze devs<br />
da mosaxleoba samarTlianad iTxovs<br />
maT mier gacemuli uxvi dapirebis<br />
Sesrulebas.<br />
_ biZina ivaniSvilis bolo Ria<br />
werili ramdenad warmoaCens qvey-<br />
anaSi Seqmnil realobas?<br />
_ Zalian mZime STabeWdileba<br />
damrCa aRniSnul werilze. TiTqos<br />
es adamiani bolomde ver flobs<br />
qveyanaSi arsebul realur mdgomareobas.<br />
ki batono, ivaniSvili<br />
acxadebs, rom gamdgaria politikisgan,<br />
masSi ar ereva, magram cota<br />
eWvi mepareba, ase iyos. gavixsenoT<br />
ivaniSvilis damsaxureba da lomis<br />
wili, rom dRes qveyanaSi sisxliani<br />
reJimi aRar boginebs. ager saakaSvili<br />
ukrainaSia gaqceuli.<br />
ivaniSvili ambobs, rom saxelisuflebo<br />
saqmeebSi aRar verevio,<br />
magram isic kargad mogvexseneba,<br />
mis mier Tavsmoxveuli pirovnebebi<br />
sad arian wamoskupebulebi da<br />
ranairi pozicia uWiravT qveynis,<br />
rogorc sagareo, aseve saSinao<br />
problemebTan mimarTebiT. magaliTad,<br />
Tavis droze, mis mier rekomendebuli<br />
batoni margvelaSvili,<br />
romelic amas winaT Cum viTareba-<br />
Si giga bokerias Sexvda. baton<br />
bokerias adamiani ki ar unda xvdebodes,<br />
is vano merabiSvilis gverd-<br />
Si unda ijdes.<br />
aseve gavixsenoT mis mier rekomendebuli<br />
daviT narmania, dedaqalaqis<br />
meri, romelic Tanamdebobaze<br />
veraviTar kritikas ver<br />
uZlebs.<br />
aseve arian mis Sps-ebSi da sxva<br />
molaparakebebi mimdinareobs, magram Cveni<br />
upirvelesi amosavali ideologiuri<br />
TvalTaxedvaa. aseve, erovnuloba. es Cveni<br />
amosavali wertili iqneba, Tu arCevnebSi<br />
koaliciis saxiT monawileoba gadavwyviteT.<br />
iseve, rogorc politikur gadawyvetilebas<br />
miviRebT maJoritaruli wesiT arCevnebTan<br />
dakavSirebiT. nebismier SemTxvevaSi,<br />
arCevnebSi monawileobas miviRebT da<br />
warmatebis mopovebas vgegmavT. gvsurs,<br />
arCevnebSi moanawileobiT sabolood<br />
CavZiroT "nacionaluri moZraoba". es<br />
politikuri organizacia unda gaqres<br />
rukidan, maT satelitebTan erTad~<br />
kerZo kompaniebSi dafrTianebuli,<br />
dRes sxvadasxva Tanamdebobaze mis<br />
mier movlinebuli adamianebi. am<br />
tendenciazea saubari, Torem iq<br />
kompetenturi adamianebic arian,<br />
romlebic patiosnad emsaxurebian<br />
TavianT samSoblos. erT-erTi mTavari<br />
dapireba, rac am xelisuflebam<br />
ver Seasrula, samarTlianobis<br />
aRdgenaa. erTi xelis TiTebi gveyofa<br />
CamosaTvlelad, Tu vis mimarT<br />
aRdga es am qveyanaSi. uamravi,<br />
aTeul aTasobiT adamiani dResac<br />
samarTlianobis aRdgenas elis.<br />
iseve, rogorc Cven gvaxsovs maTi<br />
dapirebebi, rom sawvavi gaiafdeboda.<br />
rom ara navTobproduqtebis<br />
saerTo gaiafeba, sawvavze fasebis<br />
daklebas ver veRirsebodiT. misi<br />
realuri Rirebuleba larze naklebi<br />
unda iyos. ager, avtogazze<br />
arsebuli mdgomareoba aviRoT:<br />
Cven sul vacxadebT, rom masze<br />
araadekvaturad maRali fasebia da<br />
am kuTxiT xelisufleba araviTar<br />
moZraobas ar akeTebes, igive konkurenciis<br />
saagentosTan erTad.<br />
ki batono, raRacebi gakeTda,<br />
sayovelTao dazRvevis programa<br />
moqmedebs, mTis kanonic misaRebi<br />
iyo, Tumca Zalian bevri amgvari<br />
sofeli gamorCaT. swored Cveni iniciativiT,<br />
duSeTis raionis mTeli<br />
rigi maRalmTiani soflebi am sia-<br />
Si damsaxurebulad SevayvanineT.<br />
am dReebSi batoni xaduri gamovida<br />
da ganacxada, rom 216 lari<br />
gauxdebaT, isic maRalmTiani regionebis<br />
pensionerebso. asakovan<br />
adamianebs es miRebuli kanonidan<br />
gamomdinare ezrdebaT da ara maT<br />
mier gadadgmuli sxva nabijebiT.<br />
gaxsovT „memarcxene aliansis”<br />
mowodeba, rodesac 2016 wlis biujti<br />
mtkicdeboda, pensionerebs<br />
pensia 200 lari gaxdomodaT da<br />
amas plus, 50-lariani danamati<br />
miscemodaT, jamSi 250 lari unda<br />
yofiliyo, rac saarsebo minimumTan<br />
gaTanabrebuli iqneboda.<br />
Cven amis wyaroc warmovadgineT,<br />
_ mTeli rigi gaberili Statebi,<br />
gubernatoris instituti, gazrdili<br />
saministroebi (qveyanaSi 18<br />
saministroa), maTi premia-danamatebi,<br />
transportis momsaxureba,<br />
sawvavis xarjebi, -_ am mxriv uzarmazari<br />
xvrelebia datovebuli.<br />
rogorc Cven, „memarcxene aliansi”,<br />
„qarTuli ocnebac” xom memarcxene<br />
centristul organizaciad<br />
iTvleba (socinternSic gawevriandnen),<br />
amitom maqsimalurad<br />
unda Seimciro Cinovnikuri aparatis<br />
ricxovnoba da gamoTavisuflebuli<br />
Tanxebi im socialuri<br />
proeqtebisTvis gadaisrolo, rac<br />
qveynis ganviTarebaze iqneba mimarTuli.<br />
Cinovnikuri aparatidan gamoTavisuflebuli<br />
Tanxebi aseve biznesSi<br />
wava, Seiqmneba produqcia,<br />
rac, isev da isev, qveynis ganvi-<br />
Tarebaze da socialuri mdgomareobis<br />
gaumjobesebaze iqneba mimarTuli.<br />
Torem, korufcia ar ariso<br />
da qveyanaSi amaze meti ra aris?<br />
korufcia ar aris is uzarmazari<br />
premiebi? anu is keTdeba, rasac<br />
Tavis droze akeTebdnen „nacionaluri<br />
moZraobis” aqtivistebi da<br />
Tanamdebobis pirebi. mecineba<br />
xolme, rodesac asakrZali partiis<br />
liderebi gamodian da „ocnebas”<br />
imis Sesaxeb ukiJineben, rasac Tvi-<br />
Ton uaresad akeTebdnen.<br />
_ ivaniSvilis saarCevno kampa-<br />
niaSi aqtiuri monawileoba „qar-<br />
Tul ocnebas” ra Sedegs moutans?<br />
_ „qarTulma ocnebam” politikurad<br />
swori nabiji gadadga,<br />
rodesac sazogadoebas ganucxada,<br />
rom arCevnebSi damoukideblad miiRebs<br />
monawileobas.<br />
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gagrZeleba 30-e gv.<br />
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vazagaSvilis saqmis<br />
prokuraturis gancxadebiT,<br />
gela mamulaSvili<br />
saapelacio sasamarTlom iuri<br />
599 45 50 26<br />
vazagaSvilis ganzrax mkvlelo-<br />
baSi msjavrdadebuli giorgi<br />
sosanaSvilis mimarT gamotanili ganaCeni ZalaSi datova. ganaCenis<br />
Tanaxmad, sasamarTlom braldebuli giorgi sosanaS-<br />
vili damnaSaved cno 2015 wlis 20 ianvars kaspis raionis<br />
sofel yarafilaSi Svilis saflavze iuri vazagaSvilis gan-<br />
sakuTrebuli sisastikiT mkvlelobaSi iseTi saSualebiT, rac<br />
ganzrax uqmnis safrTxes sxvaTa sicocxlesa da janmrTelo-<br />
bas. Cadenili msxverplis sazogadoebrivi movaleobis SesrulebasTan<br />
dakavSirebiT, saqarTvelos ssk-is 109-e muxlis pirveli<br />
nawilis „g” qvepunqtiT, me-3 nawilis ,,b” da „v” qvepun-<br />
qtebiT, 236-e muxlis pirveli da meore nawilebiT da STanTq-<br />
mis principis gamoyenebiT, saboloo sasjelad ganesazRvra<br />
Tavisuflebis aRkveTa 20 wlis vadiT.<br />
„rogorc sazogadoebisTvis<br />
cnobilia, iuri vazagaSvili iyo<br />
sazogadoebrivi moZraoba „gadaarCine<br />
sicocxlis” erT-erTi damfuZnebeli<br />
da aqtiuri wevri.<br />
aRniSnuli sazogadoebis mizani<br />
iyo saqarTveloSi adamianis uflebebis<br />
dacva, qveyanaSi samoqalaqo<br />
sazogadoebis formireba,<br />
sajaro moxeleTa mier uflebamosilebis<br />
gadametebis, borotad<br />
gamoyenebisa da samarTaldamcveli<br />
struqturebis mier gadametebuli<br />
Zalis gamoyenebisadmi<br />
sazogadoebrivi kontrolis xelSewyoba,<br />
dazaralebulis uflebebis<br />
dacva da samarTlianobis<br />
aRdgena yvela sferoSi.<br />
2014 wlis bolos da 2015 wlis<br />
dasawyisSi iuri vazagaSvili gamoirCeoda<br />
gansakuTrebuli aqtivobiT<br />
da sajaro gamosvlebSi sistematurad<br />
moiTxovda misi Svilis<br />
_ zurab vazagaSvilis mkvlelobis<br />
saqmis obieqturad gamoZiebasa da<br />
damnaSave pirebis dasjas.<br />
sajaro gamosvlebSi i. vazagaSvili<br />
acxadebda, rom gegmavda sazogadoebrivi<br />
moZraobis ufro<br />
metad gaaqtiurebas da saprotesto<br />
aqciebis gamarTvas, rac giorgi<br />
sosanaSvilSi iwvevda gansaku-<br />
Trebul gaRizianebas.<br />
igi naTlad xedavda, rom i.<br />
vazagaSvilis sazogadoebrivi aqtiurobis<br />
Sedegad SesaZloa damdgariyo<br />
misTvis pativsacemi pirebis<br />
sisxlissamarTlebrivi pasuxismgeblobis<br />
sakiTxi.<br />
giorgi sosanaSvilma kaspis<br />
raionis sofel yarafilaSi zurab<br />
vazagaSvilis Svilis saflavze<br />
iuri vazagaSvilis mokvlis mizniT<br />
16<br />
daamontaJa asafeTqebeli mowyobiloba.<br />
2015 wlis 20 ianvars, axloblis<br />
dakrZalvaze, sofel yarafilaSi<br />
Casuli iuri vazagaSvili<br />
mivida sakuTari Svilis,<br />
giorgi sosanaSvili<br />
zurab vazagaSvilis saflavze, sadac<br />
sasaflaoze damontaJebuli<br />
asafeTqebeli mowyobilobis afeTqebis<br />
Sedegad adgilze gardaicvala.<br />
mamuka vasaZe, irakli SoTaZe<br />
giorgi sosanaSvili braldebulis<br />
saxiT dakavebul iqna 2015<br />
wlis 7 Tebervals, mkvlelobis<br />
Cadenidan mokle droSi.<br />
prokuraturis mier mopovebuli<br />
da sasamarTloSi wardgenil<br />
mtkicebulebaTa erTobliobis<br />
safuZvelze kidev erTxel utyuarad<br />
dadasturda giorgi sosanaSvilis<br />
mier asafeTqebeli mowyobilobis<br />
gamoyenebiT, iuri vazagaSvilis<br />
gansakuTrebuli sisatikiT<br />
mkvlelobis faqti”, _ naTqvamia<br />
prokuraturis gancxadebaSi.<br />
„qronika+” giorgi sosanaSvilis<br />
damcvels, saqarTvelos ad-<br />
vokatTa asociaciis wevrs _ soso<br />
jogliZes esaubreba:<br />
_ batono soso, rogoria Tqve-<br />
ni pozicia saapelacio sasamarTlos<br />
gadawyvetilebasTan dakav-<br />
SirebiT?<br />
_ aRniSnuli gadawyvetileba<br />
ukanonoa. rogorc pirveli instanciis<br />
sasamarTlom, aseve apelaciam<br />
yovelgvari mtkicebulebis<br />
gareSe daayena gamamtyunebeli<br />
ganaCeni. faqtobrivad, mtkicebulebebi<br />
ar arsebobs.<br />
Cemi dacvis qveS myofi mudmivad<br />
acxadebs, rom saxelmwifo<br />
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braldebis erTaderTi mtkicebuleba,<br />
faliaze dnm-is kvalis<br />
arseboba, ara pirdapiri, aramed<br />
iribi mtkicebulebaa. aseve ambobs,<br />
rom aRniSnuli falia Secvlilia,<br />
soso jogliZe:<br />
`sosanaSvilze irakli<br />
SoTaZe da mamuka<br />
vasaZe zewolas<br />
axdendnen, - aRiare<br />
danaSauli da Seni<br />
ojaxi<br />
uzrunvelyofili<br />
iqnebao!~<br />
`sosanaSvili udanaSauloa, ar cnobs Tavs damnaSaved. masze zewola<br />
ganxorcielda. marto is faqti rad Rirs, rom dakavebamde erTi dRiT<br />
adre mas akavebs geninspeqcia, mihyavs da Segnebulad uRebs dnm-s.<br />
mere Cven vaxmaurebT aRniSnul faqts, rasac ramdenime policielis<br />
Tanamdeboba Seewira. viTom gegmuri Semowmeba Caatares da TanamSromlebi<br />
gauSves. riT Seedavebi? jer daskvna ar uWiravs xelSi saxelmwifo<br />
mbraldebels da dRevandeli mTavrobis mTavari prokurori, maSindeli<br />
moadgile SoTaZe brZanebs, rom danaSauli gaxsnilia, damnaSave<br />
davakaveTo. da es yvelaferi yovelgvari mtkicebulebis gareSe xdeba.<br />
amitom es aris adamianis uflebaTa dacvis evropuli konvenciis sastiki<br />
darRveva, adamianis uflebis darRveva... saxelmwifo braldeba saTanado<br />
doneze ar iyo, rom raRac realuri SedegisTvis mieRwia~<br />
_ pirvelad SemTxvevis adgilidan<br />
amoRebuli nivTi savsebiT gansxvavdeba<br />
Semdgom warmodgenili<br />
nivTisgano.<br />
aqedan gamomdinare, is mtkicebulebac<br />
ar SeiZleba raime mtkicebulebad<br />
CaiTvalos. Cemi dacvis<br />
qveS myofi saerTod udanaSauloa.<br />
SemTxvevis adgilis daTvalierebaze<br />
xeli aqvs mowerili eqspert<br />
nigurians, romelmac Tavidan<br />
bolomde daamaxinja nivTieri<br />
mtkicebulebebi. mogexsenebaT,<br />
samarTlebrivad asea, _ ra mtkicebulebasac<br />
amoiReb SemTxvevis<br />
adgilidan, imave formaSi, im vi-<br />
TarebaSi unda daudo saqmes. am<br />
dros sofel sakorinTodan amo-<br />
Rebuli nivTieri mtkicebuleba<br />
(sacxovrebel binaSi piradi Cxreka<br />
Cautares) ori „ef 1" tipisa da<br />
erTi „ergedes” tipis xelyumbarebi<br />
faliebis gareSe iyo.<br />
aqedan gamomdinare, nigurianma<br />
jer daayenos Sesabamisi faliebi<br />
da mere dadon daskvna, rom aRniSnuli<br />
xelyumbarebi vargisia. es<br />
igivea, avtomaturi cecxlsasroli<br />
iaraRi eqspertizaze „zatvoris”<br />
gareSe rom miitano. verc erTi<br />
eqsperti gaakeTebs daskvnas, rom<br />
aRniSnuli avtomaturi iaraRi gamosayeneblad<br />
vargisia.<br />
_ brZaneT, rom nivTieri mtki-<br />
cebuleba Seicvala, ase ratom<br />
moxda?<br />
_ Cemi azriT, imitom, rom sax-
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axali detalebi<br />
elmwifo braldebas gauxsneli<br />
saqme kiserze valad ar ahkideboda.<br />
mogexsenebaT, es yvelaferi<br />
gaxmaurebul saqmes exeboda.<br />
_ ra Sedegebi eqneba am yve-<br />
lafers?<br />
_ strasburgamde rom damWirdes<br />
misvla, bolomde mivyvebi da<br />
gamamarTlebel ganaCens davayeneb.<br />
SeiZleba, materialuri da moraluri<br />
zaralis anazRaurebac<br />
moviTxovoT rogor saxelmwifo<br />
braldebis, aseve dazaralebulis<br />
mxridan.<br />
es iqidan gamomdinare, rom<br />
dazaralebulebisTvis sulerTia,<br />
mTavaria, viRac ijdes cixeSi da<br />
aseve saqme gaxsnilad miiweron.<br />
maT ar ainteresebT, vin aris namdvili<br />
damnaSave.<br />
Tumca prokuratura naTlad<br />
aRniSnavs, rom meore dnm-s kvalic<br />
iyo xelyumbaraze. ar gamoiricxeba,<br />
rom im meore pirovnebam Caidina<br />
es danaSauli, romelsac ase<br />
gamalebiT eZebs saxelmwifo braldeba<br />
rogorc saqarTveloSi,<br />
aseve saqarTvelos farglebs gareT,<br />
kerZod, safrangeTsa da<br />
amerikis SeerTebul StatebSi.<br />
aqedan gamomdinare, Cemi dacvis<br />
qveS myofi udanaSauloa. ar arsebobs<br />
aranairi pirdapiri mtkicebuleba,<br />
rasac bralad Seracxavs<br />
prokuratura Cemi dacvis qveS<br />
`strasburgamde rom damWirdes misvla,<br />
bolomde mivyvebi da gamamarTlebel ganaCens<br />
davayeneb. SeiZleba, materialuri da<br />
moraluri zaralis anazRaurebac moviTxovoT<br />
rogor saxelmwifo braldebis, aseve<br />
dazaralebulis mxridan. es iqidan<br />
gamomdinare, rom dazaralebulebisTvis<br />
sulerTia, mTavaria, viRac ijdes cixeSi da<br />
aseve saqme gaxsnilad miiweron. maT ar<br />
ainteresebT, vin aris namdvili damnaSave.<br />
Tumca prokuratura naTlad aRniSnavs, rom<br />
meore dnm-s kvalic iyo xelyumbaraze. ar<br />
gamoiricxeba, rom im meore pirovnebam Caidina<br />
es danaSauli, romelsac ase gamalebiT eZebs<br />
saxelmwifo braldeba rogorc saqarTveloSi,<br />
aseve saqarTvelos farglebs gareT, kerZod,<br />
safrangeTsa da amerikis SeerTebul StatebSi.<br />
aqedan gamomdinare, Cemi dacvis qveS myofi<br />
udanaSauloa. ar arsebobs aranairi pirdapiri<br />
mtkicebuleba, rasac bralad Seracxavs<br />
prokuratura Cemi dacvis qveS myofs~<br />
myofs. is savsebiT udanaSauloa<br />
da gamamarTlebeli ganaCeni unda<br />
dadges. Cven amis Zalian didi<br />
molodini gvaqvs.<br />
_ im meore dnm-sTan dakavSire-<br />
biT ra konkretuli informacia<br />
arsebobs?<br />
_ es TviTon prokuraturis<br />
prerogativa iyo da man daadgina,<br />
rom aRniSnul xelyumbaraze aRmoCnda<br />
meore dnm-is kvali. metsac<br />
getyviT: sasaflaos daTvalierebisas<br />
erT-erTi ZiriTadi<br />
mowmis dnm-is kvali aRmoCnda. es<br />
iyo damlagebeli, romelic uecrad,<br />
saapelacio sasamarTlos<br />
CaniSvnamde, gardaicvala(!!!).<br />
mand aseve bevri detalia yuradsaRebi,<br />
Tu gnebavT, TiTis baliSebis<br />
dazianeba aw gardacvlil<br />
vazagaSvilze... Cemi SexedulebiT<br />
da rogorc dacvis qveS<br />
myofi fiqrobs da varaudobs, es<br />
e. w. eqspertiza didi Sou iyo da<br />
daskvnac aseTi daweres. saWiroebis<br />
SemTxvevaSi unda gamoekiTxaT<br />
samxedro eqspertebi, radgan iq<br />
sasaflaos qvebic ki ar darCeboda.<br />
am dros erTi patara ormoc<br />
ki ar iyo gakeTebuli SemTxvevis<br />
adgilis daTvalierebisas.<br />
ubralod, CavukvirdeT _ saqmis<br />
masalebSi (niguriani xels awers),<br />
SemTxvevis adgilis daTvalierebisas<br />
1,85 m-Si iqna amoRebuli<br />
xelyumbaris falia, iqve qvaze<br />
dgas polieTilenis carieli Wiqa,<br />
romelsac Zvra ar hqonia. ramdenime<br />
xanSi teritoria xelmeored<br />
daTvalierda da nivTieri mtkicebuleba,<br />
es falia, ukve 2,5 m-Si<br />
amoiRes. polieTilenis Wiqa iq<br />
gaunZrevlad dgas.<br />
ufro metsac getyviT: iq rom<br />
aseTi tipis xelyumbara afeTqebuliyo,<br />
awgardacvlilis sxeulSi<br />
marto xelyumbaris nawilakebi ar<br />
unda yofiliyo...<br />
_ Tqven garkveuli winaaRmde-<br />
gobebi aRniSneT. maSin realurad<br />
ra moxda, Tqveni pozicia rogoria<br />
am tragikul faqtTan dakav-<br />
SirebiT?<br />
_ me advokati var da moklebuli<br />
gaxlavarT amoRebas, Cxrekas,<br />
piradi gamoZiebis Catarebas, es<br />
prokuraturis prerogativaa. amitom<br />
Cemi Zalian didi Txovna<br />
iqneba, Tu marTla samarTlianobas<br />
vemsaxurebiT, am saqmiT unda<br />
dainteresdes presac, televiziac<br />
da sazogadoebas TavianTi obieqturi<br />
informacia miawodon.<br />
_ TviTon sosanaSvilis pozi-<br />
cia am etapze rogoria?<br />
_ yvela etapzec sosanaSvili<br />
udanaSauloa, ar cnobs Tavs damnaSaved.<br />
masze zewola ganxorcielda.<br />
marto is faqti rad<br />
Rirs, rom dakavebamde erTi dRiT<br />
adre mas akavebs geninspeqcia, mihyavs<br />
da Segnebulad uRebs dnm-s.<br />
mere Cven vaxmaurebT aRniSnul<br />
faqts, rasac ramdenime policielis<br />
Tanamdeboba Seewira. viTom<br />
gegmuri Semowmeba Caatares da<br />
TanamSromlebi gauSves. riT Seedavebi?<br />
jer daskvna ar uWiravs xelSi<br />
saxelmwifo mbraldebels da<br />
dRevandeli mTavrobis mTavari<br />
prokurori, maSindeli moadgile<br />
SoTaZe brZanebs, rom danaSauli<br />
gaxsnilia, damnaSave davakaveTo.<br />
da es yvelaferi yovelgvari mtkicebulebis<br />
gareSe xdeba.<br />
amitom es aris adamianis uflebaTa<br />
dacvis evropuli konvenciis<br />
sastiki darRveva, adamianis<br />
uflebis darRveva...<br />
saxelmwifo braldeba saTanado<br />
doneze ar iyo, rom raRac<br />
realuri SedegisTvis mieRwia.<br />
_ sxva zewola xom ar yofila<br />
sosanaSvilis mimarT?<br />
_ zewolaze, Tavis droze, axsna-ganmarteba<br />
gamovitane, sadac<br />
sosanaSvili miuTiTebs, rom irakli<br />
SoTaZe da axlandeli pirveli<br />
moadgile mamuka vasaZe mouwodeben,<br />
_ midi, aRiare, vin dagavala<br />
aRniSnuli danaSauli da Sensas<br />
mogcemT, Seni ojaxi uzrunvelyofili<br />
iqnebao.<br />
araerTxel gaimeora Cemma<br />
dacvis qveS myofma, rom is udanaSauloa,<br />
mas ar Caudenia aRniSnuli<br />
danaSauli.<br />
ubralod, kidev geubnebiT, es<br />
aris TiTidan gamowovili tyuili<br />
braldeba. saqme gauxsneli rom ar<br />
yofiliyo, amitom ainteresebda<br />
saxelmwifo braldebas xalxis-<br />
Tvis TvalSi nacris Seyra.<br />
rom gaiaroT da sazogadoeba-<br />
Si gamokiTxvebi CaataroT, 100%-<br />
dan 95% ityvis, rom aRniSnuli<br />
danaSauli Cemi dacvis qveS myofs<br />
ar Caudenia.<br />
_ am saqmesTan dakavSirebiT<br />
ras apirebT?<br />
_ Semdeg instanciebSi gasa-<br />
Civrebas vgegmavT, rogorc kanoni<br />
gvaZlevs sxva saSualebebs da<br />
gvavaldebulebs, amitom yvela instancias<br />
SemovivliT. Tu sasurveli<br />
Sedegi ar miviReT, rasakvirvelia,<br />
saqmes strasburgSi SevitanT.<br />
_ sabolood, ra Sedegis<br />
dadgomas imedovnebT?<br />
_ gamamarTlebeli ganaCenis.<br />
Cemi dacvis qveS myofi udanaSauloa.<br />
aseve saxelmwifosa da mTavrobas<br />
moraluri da materialuri<br />
zianis anazRaurebas davakisreb.<br />
procesi Zalian briyvulad<br />
aris warmarTuli, amitom saxelmwifo<br />
braldebas nebismier momentSi<br />
SeuZlia moxsnas mis mier warmodgenili<br />
mtkicebuleba da miiCnios<br />
axlad Seqmnili viTarebis gamosakvlevad.<br />
albaT, uzenaesi sasamarTlo<br />
mainc Caukvirdeba da saapelacios,<br />
meore instancias daubrunebs<br />
Tavisi miTiTebebiT. Cven<br />
gavimarjvebT, imitom, rom saqmeSi<br />
mtkicebulebebi ar arsebobs.<br />
Tu arada, aucileblad strasburgSi<br />
mogviwevs wasvla. iq piradad<br />
me Caval da mag saqmes mivxedav.<br />
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saqarTvelos advokatTa asociaciis<br />
Tavmjdomare zaza xatiaSvilma<br />
xelisuflebis struqturebis<br />
mxridan advokatebis uflebebis<br />
darRvevis Sesaxeb am Sexvedraze<br />
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gadavwyviteT gagvekeTebina<br />
biznesdajildoeba. pirvel<br />
rigSi, xazi gavusvaT da warmovaCinoT<br />
is kompaniebi, romlebic<br />
warmatebulebi arian<br />
mcire da saSualo biznesSi<br />
da meore _ sxvebs mivceT<br />
saSualeba dainaxon, Tu<br />
rogor SeiZleba warmatebuli<br />
iyo saqarTveloSi da ma-<br />
Tac gauCndeT janmrTeli<br />
ambicia, rom maTze ukeTesad,<br />
maTze meti gaakeTon.<br />
nikoloz qurdiani _<br />
„Tibisi bankis” generaluri<br />
direqtoris moadgile:<br />
_ es iqneba yovelwliuri<br />
ivenTi _ 6-Tviani procesi<br />
damoukidebeli komisiiT,<br />
romelic warmatebis istoriebs<br />
Seafasebs da gamarjvebuls<br />
7 kategoriaSi gamoavlens.<br />
mizania cnobadobis<br />
gazrda imaze, rom biznesis<br />
keTeba unda iyos waxalisebuli,<br />
popularuli<br />
da trenduli.<br />
pavel smalinski _ „jeoselis”<br />
generaluri direq-<br />
tori:<br />
_ mniSvnelovania, rom<br />
proeqtis mTavari mizania<br />
qveyanaSi mzardi biznesis<br />
waxaliseba. mcire da saSualo<br />
biznesi is segmentia,<br />
romelsac didi momavali<br />
aqvs da mniSvnelovania qveynis<br />
ekonomikisTvis. proeqtisTvis<br />
7 nominacia Zalian<br />
sworadaa SerCeuli, „jeoseli”<br />
ajildoebs gamarjvebuls<br />
nominaciaSi _ wlis<br />
inovaciuri biznesi. inovaciebi<br />
mniSvnelovania da<br />
Cven gvaqvs ambicia, rom<br />
varT inovaciuri kompania.<br />
vimedovneb, es proeqti kompaniebs<br />
TavianTi saqmianobis<br />
sazogadoebis mimarT<br />
warmoCenaSi daexmareba.<br />
Tamar batiaSvili<br />
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2014 wlis 13 seqtembris gana-<br />
CeniT, Temur qurasbediani da irakli<br />
liparteliani cnobil iqnen<br />
damnaSaveebad saqarTvelos sisxlis<br />
samarTlis kodeqsis 182-e muxlis<br />
meore nawilis „a” da „d” qvepunqtiT<br />
da mesame nawilis „b” qvepunqtiT<br />
gaTvaliswinebuli danaSaulis CadenisTvis<br />
da sasjelis zomad ganesazRvraT<br />
Tavisuflebis aRkveTa 7<br />
wliT. es ganaCeni gamoitana quTaisis<br />
saqalaqo sasamarTlos mosamar-<br />
Tle naTia barbaqaZem, Tumca, imTaviTve,<br />
braldebulebis advokatebic<br />
da ojaxis wevrebic miiCnevdnen,<br />
rom is iyo dausabuTebeli da unda<br />
gauqmebuliyo. miuxedavad amisa,<br />
saapelacio sasamarTlom ganaCeni<br />
ZalaSi datova da dRemde qurasbedianic<br />
da lipartelianic cixeSi<br />
arian gamoketilebi. maT im davalianebas<br />
edavebodnen, romelic Sps<br />
wisqvilkombinat „Tbiliss” aRmoaCnda,<br />
sadac isini muSaobdnen.<br />
braldebulTa advokati zurab<br />
rostiaSvili „qronika+”-Tan acxadebs,<br />
rom braldebis mxaris mier<br />
warmodgenili mtkicebulebebi ver<br />
akmayofilebda kanonmdeblis mier<br />
gamamtyunebeli ganaCenis gamotanisTvis<br />
dawesebul maRal samarTlebriv<br />
standarts, rac sasamarTlos<br />
daarwmunebda irakli lipartelianisa<br />
da Temur qurasbedianis<br />
braleulobaSi, Tumca sasamarTloc<br />
daeyrdno ara mtkicebulebebs,<br />
aramed varaudebs da mosamar-<br />
Tlem gadawyvita, rom es pirovnebebi<br />
uapelaciod unda gaeSva<br />
cixeSi. sanam advokatis samarTlebriv<br />
Sefasebebs movismendiT,<br />
lipartelianis deda, internetis<br />
saSualebiT, amerikidan detalurad<br />
mogviyva, ra „SarSi” gaxvies misi<br />
Svili da rogor gamoketes ojaxi<br />
axloblebis xelSewyobiT cixeSi.<br />
ciala zurabiani _ irakli<br />
lipartelianis deda:<br />
_ Cemi Svili, irakli liparteliani<br />
da Temur qurasbediani Sps<br />
wisqvilkombinat „Tbilisis”, amJamad<br />
„bevrilis” jgufis quTaisis<br />
sarealizacio punqtSi muSaobdnen.<br />
es sawarmo dasavleT saqarTvelos<br />
raionebs fqviliT amaragebda. misi<br />
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neli vardiaSvili<br />
liparteliani amJamad patimroba-<br />
597 11 12 47<br />
Si arian, maTi ojaxis wevrebi ki<br />
amaod eZeben samarTals. „qroni-<br />
ka+” mogiyvebaT gaugonar, Tumca saqarTveloSi arcTu ucxo<br />
istorias, roca samarTali gzaabneuli daexeteba da samarTal-<br />
damcveli uwyebebi varaudebze dayrdnobiT wyveten adamianTa<br />
bedsa Tu ubedobas. simarTlis saxeliT awiokeben ojaxebs, ax-<br />
algazrdebs cixeSi gamosaketad swiraven, maT colebs, debsa<br />
da Svilebs ki _ simarTlis saZebnelad sawanwalod.<br />
ciala zurabiani<br />
sarealizacio punqtis, anu sawyobis<br />
ufrosi iyo zaza CubiniZe, romelic<br />
Semdeg Ss saministros dasavleT<br />
sqarTvelos samxareos ufrosad<br />
dainiSna, mere ki tyibulis<br />
policiis ufrosad. es sawyobi<br />
2007 wlidan arsebobda da CubiniZe<br />
imTaviTve mas xelmZRvanelobda.<br />
wisqvilkombinatis mepatrone aris<br />
goderZi Canqseliani, Cemi disSvili,<br />
Tumca wlebis winaT isic Ss<br />
saministroSi muSaobda da CubiniZesTan<br />
Zmakacobs.<br />
iraklim am sawarmoSi muSaoba<br />
2010 wlis ivlisSi daiwyo. manamde<br />
is evropaSi, saberZneTSi iyo wasuli.<br />
saqarTveloSi mamis avadmyofobis<br />
gamo Camovida. Cemi meuRle<br />
gardaicvala da irakli sacxovreblad<br />
aq darCa. wisqvilkombinatSi<br />
Cemi Svili gamyidveli<br />
iyo, Tanxas iRebda da Ceks werda,<br />
danarCeni mas araferi evaleboda.<br />
rogorc giTxariT, mTavari<br />
iq iyo CubiniZe da mis gareSe kombinatSi<br />
araferi keTdeboda _ arc<br />
konsignacia, arc gadaricxvebi da<br />
arc fulis aReba Tu gacema. samxaraulis<br />
eqspertizis daskvnac arsebobs,<br />
rom Sps-s davalianebebi<br />
2007 wlidan daiwyo, roca Cemi<br />
Svili iq ar muSaobda da is am dros<br />
saqarTveloSic ki ar iyo. rogorc<br />
zemoT aRvniSne, 2013 wlis 18<br />
ianvars zaza CubiniZe wisqvilkombinatidan<br />
wavida da dasavleT<br />
saqarTvelos samxareo policiis<br />
ufrosis moadgiled dainiSna,<br />
Semdgom ki ufrosad, irakli ki mis<br />
adgilze yvelanairi dokumentaciis<br />
gareSe datoves. davalianebac,<br />
romelic wina wlebidan modioda,<br />
Turme, mas dautoves, Tumca dokumenturad<br />
arc es gadaubarebiaT da<br />
arc raime msgavsi aqti Semdgara,<br />
radgan irakli am valebs ar gadaibarebda.<br />
8 Tve iyo Cemi Svili sityvierad<br />
daniSnuli ufrosad da<br />
amxela Tanxis miTviseba mas daabrales.<br />
erTi furcelic ar arsebobs,<br />
romelic iraklis danaSaulze<br />
miuTiTebs da amas amtkicebs.<br />
_ CubiniZis am samsaxuridan<br />
wasvlis Semdgom vin da ratom<br />
dainteresda aRniSnuli daval-<br />
ianebiT?<br />
vin aris<br />
zaza CubiniZe?<br />
_ CubiniZe ukve samxareo policiis<br />
xelmZRvanel Tanamdebobaze saxezea, mis nacvlad cixeSi Cemi<br />
ar aris. misi „muSaobis” Sedegic<br />
iyo, roca goderZi da neru Canqselianebma<br />
Cemi Svili daibares da<br />
_ zaza CubiniZe xelmZRvan-<br />
milion 300 aTas larze dava dauwelobda<br />
saqmes, romelSic, rogyes.<br />
iraklim uTxra, _ amas xom zaza<br />
orc ambobT, yvela gza da kvali<br />
CubiniZes edavebodiT da axla me<br />
swored misken midis?! Zalian uc-<br />
ratom meubnebiTo? razedac upa-<br />
nauria...<br />
suxes, _ ar gvainteresebs, Tu Tanx-<br />
_ diax es yvelaferi amazrzenia!<br />
Svili da qurasbediani sxedan.<br />
ebis mimarTulebas ar gaarkvevT, vinc sawarmos milion 300 aTasi<br />
cixeSi amogayofinebT Tavso. Canqselianebi<br />
iseTebi arian, arafer-<br />
ZRvaneli iyo, sadac gamoZieba mi-<br />
vali daado, is im uwyebis xelmze<br />
daixeven ukan, amitom Cemma Svilma<br />
gadawyvita, sxva qveyanaSi wa-<br />
Svils borkilebi da Camoayvanina<br />
dioda. swored man daado Cems<br />
suliyo manam, sanam simarTle gairkveoda<br />
da mis mimarTac moixsne-<br />
Tvis ganmavlobaSi misi tyve iyo da<br />
saqarTveloSi, ris Semdgomac 6<br />
boda kiTxvis niSnebi. is da qurasbediani<br />
ukrainaSi wavidnen da saqmes. amis gamo mere erTi ambavi<br />
rogorc undoda, ise „keravda”<br />
mdgomareobas gaeridnen, raTa atyda da saqme TbilisSi finansur<br />
Tanxebis saqme im adamianTan gar- policiaSi gadmoagzavnes, Tumca<br />
Ceuliyo, visi braleulobac iyo am is ukve maT sasargeblod iyo „Sekerili”.<br />
zaza CubiniZe SevardnaZis<br />
yvelaferSi, visac realurad evaleboda<br />
Tanxebis mofrTxileba da dros ozurgeTis policiis sammarTvelos<br />
ufrosi iyo da bevri<br />
vis drosac gaiflanga fuli, anu<br />
CubiniZesTan, magram moxda absurduli<br />
da gaugonari ram: eqvsi Tve cidenti mouxda, scemes da pol-<br />
ukanonoba Caidina maSinac. mere in-<br />
mimdinareobda gamoZieba am saqmeze iciidan wamovida. Canqselianma samsaxuris<br />
gareSe darCenili me-<br />
da mas xelmZRvanelobda Tavad<br />
zaza CubiniZe, romelic ukve policiaSi,<br />
maRal Tanamdebobaze iyo. am magram roca „ocnebis” mTavroba<br />
gobari fqvilis biznesSi daasaqma,<br />
saqmis gamoZieba mas, wesiT, ar exeboda,<br />
magram yvelaferi gaakeTa, saZmakaco _ irakli RaribaSvili,<br />
movida, Canqselianma samegobro da<br />
rom xelSi Cavardnoda da rogor misi simamri Seawuxa da CubiniZe kvlav<br />
Ss saministros maRal Tanam-<br />
gamoiZiebda, amis mixvedra rTuli<br />
debobaze moiyvanes. rogorc vici,<br />
Tanxac aris gadaxdili, CubiniZe am<br />
samsaxurSi rom gasuliyo. Cemi<br />
Svili ambobs, _ Tu Jurnalistebi<br />
CemTan Semosvlas moaxerxeben, amaT<br />
maqinaciebze da CubiniZis policiaSi<br />
gadasvlaze iseT rameebs movuyvebi,<br />
gaocdebiano.<br />
_ gasagebia, rom gamoZieba mikerZoebuli<br />
iyo, radgan mas Cu-<br />
biniZe xelmZRvanelobda, magram<br />
sasamarTlomac xom ganixila es<br />
saqme. iq ra moxda, esec mogviy-<br />
eviT.<br />
_ ojaxisTvis ucxoeTidan Cem<br />
mier gagzavnili fulis dokumentebi<br />
sasamarTloze warvadgine,<br />
riTac dasturdeboda, rom ojaxs<br />
Tu raime hqonda SeZenili am wleb-<br />
Si da gakeTebuli, es iyo Cemi dax-<br />
`Cemi Svili, irakli liparteliani da Temur<br />
qurasbediani Sps wisqvilkombinat "Tbilisis",<br />
amJamad "bevrilis" jgufis quTaisis<br />
sarealizacio punqtSi muSaobdnen. es sawarmo<br />
dasavleT saqarTvelos raionebs fqviliT<br />
amaragebda. misi sarealizacio punqtis, anu<br />
sawyobis ufrosi iyo zaza CubiniZe, romelic<br />
Semdeg Ss saministros dasavleT sqarTvelos<br />
samxareos ufrosad dainiSna, mere ki<br />
tyibulis policiis ufrosad. es sawyobi 2007<br />
wlidan arsebobda da CubiniZe imTaviTve mas<br />
xelmZRvanelobda. wisqvilkombinatis mepatrone<br />
aris goderZi Canqseliani, Cemi disSvili,<br />
Tumca wlebis winaT isic Ss saministroSi<br />
muSaobda da CubiniZesTan Zmakacobs~<br />
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marebiT da ara iraklisgan, magram<br />
es gzavnilebi sasamarTlom uaryo.<br />
iraklis saqme aRuZres 13 aTasi<br />
laris gamo da am xalxs suleluri<br />
ram mohyavdaT amis dasamtkiceblad:<br />
iraklis da mis meuRles 4<br />
weli Svili ar hyavdaT da ambobdnen,<br />
TiTqos bavSvi xelovnuri ganayofierebiT<br />
gauCndaT, Tanxa ki<br />
amisTvis dasWirdaT. roca es versia<br />
ar gamouvidaT, mere Tqves, kazinoSi<br />
TamaSobdao, magram ojaxma<br />
ganvacxadeT, _ Canawerebs amoviRebdiT<br />
da davamtkicebdiT, rom<br />
irakli kazinoSi ar dadioda. mere<br />
moigones, TiTqos rusTavSi avtorbolaze<br />
dadioda da iq debda<br />
fuls „mazianze”. Cemi Svili sportsmenia<br />
da ifiqres, rom es mainc<br />
gamouvidodaT. axal-axal Temebs<br />
igonebdnen, radgan verc erTs amtkicebdnen.<br />
sabolood, mainc verafriT<br />
daadastures es sisuleleebi,<br />
magram ori adamiani, _ buRalteri<br />
Temur qurasbediani da Cemi Svili<br />
_ mainc imyofebian cixeSi da maT<br />
7-wliani patimrobebi SeefardaT.<br />
uamravi salaparako maqvs, Tumca<br />
amjerad mTavars getyviT: Cemi<br />
Svilisa da qurasbedianis mier Tanxebis<br />
miTvisebis faqti ver daamtkices,<br />
samagierod daadgines is,<br />
rom sawarmos vali hqonda im drosac,<br />
roca misi xelmZRvaneli CubiniZe<br />
iyo. miuxedavad amisa, am saqmis<br />
gamo CubiniZe ar daukiTxvaT.<br />
_ es rogor?<br />
_ rogor da mfarvelebis daxmarebiT.<br />
gviTxres, CubiniZes iseTi<br />
Tanamdeboba aqvs, ver davkiTxavTo.<br />
Cven mainc movaxerxeT da is sasamarTloSi<br />
dasakiTxad miviyvaneT,<br />
magram prokurorma Tavis oTaxSi<br />
gaiyvana da uTxra, _ dagiWeren, aq<br />
ram mogiyvanao da gaapara. prokuroris<br />
oTaxSi rac moxda, amis mtkicebulebebic<br />
gvaqvs. rogor, sasamarTlo<br />
ar unda dainteresebuliyo,<br />
ras ityodnen sawarmos direqtori<br />
da mepatrone? ra icodnen<br />
maT am saqmis irgvliv? magram ara,<br />
ar dainteresda.<br />
_ axla ras iTxovT?<br />
_ ras viTxovT da simarTlis<br />
dadgenas. Cven qalaq Tbilisis mTavar<br />
prokurorTanac viyaviT, magram<br />
isic mikerZoebulia, radgan<br />
megobrebi arian. gvindoda, saproceso<br />
garigeba mainc gagvekeTebina,<br />
irakli gareT gamogveyvana da mere<br />
gagvegrZelebina brZola, magram<br />
arc es moxerxda. viTxovT xelaxal<br />
gamoZiebas da simarTlis garkvevas,<br />
radgan udanaSaulo biWebi<br />
cixeSi sxedan da mTavari damna-<br />
Saveebi ki gareT daseirnoben.<br />
zurab rostiaSvili, advokati:<br />
_ roca sawarmos xelmZRvaneli<br />
samsaxuridan midis da Tavis adgils<br />
sxvas abarebs, sawarmoSi unda<br />
Catardes inventarizacia da yvelaferi<br />
oficialurad gadaabaros<br />
axal xelmZRvanels. araTu davalianebisa<br />
da Tanxis, skamis, magidis<br />
da a. S., oficialuri gadabareba<br />
unda moxdes, rac am sawarmoSi ar<br />
gaukeTebiaT da milion 300 aTasis<br />
davalianeba datoves gaurkvevel<br />
mdgomareobaSi. gadabarebis dros<br />
unda Seqmniliyo dokumenti, sadac<br />
aRniSnuli iqneboda, xelmZRvanelis<br />
samsaxuridan wasvlis periodSi<br />
ra saxis davalianebebi ericxeboda<br />
sawarmos _ vin aiRo fuli, visi<br />
konsignaciiT hqonda gatanili<br />
produqti da a. S. Tavad buRalteri,<br />
qeTino zariZec acxadebda,<br />
rom ar axsovs, rogor imarTleb-
da Tavs CubiniZe amaze da milion<br />
samasi aTasi laris danaklisi vin<br />
waiRo.<br />
_ danaklisi sawarmos saidan<br />
hqonda, amis gageba ratom gaxda<br />
rTuli?<br />
_ imitom, rom bevri ram iq mar-<br />
Tlac xdeboda kanongareSe, Tumca<br />
aq Cemi dacvis qveS myofebi arafer<br />
SuaSi arian, radgan es yvelaferi<br />
CubiniZis xelmZRvanelobis periodSi<br />
iyo. rogorc Semdgom gairkva,<br />
yofili Ss ministris, narCemaSvilis<br />
mamas gaugzavnes aTasobiT<br />
tona fqvili, aseve WiaTuraSi waiRes<br />
da ar aRricxes, Sps-s samegrelos<br />
sawyobis ufross aveji uyides,<br />
irakli lipartelianis saxelze<br />
mevalis saxlebi aRricxes...<br />
bevri ukanonoba xdeboda, fulis<br />
gadineba, magram CubiniZis dros es<br />
ar aRiricxeboda. sasamarTlo ganaCeniT<br />
irkveva, rom Cemi dacvis<br />
qveS myofebs Tanxebi unda SeenaxaT,<br />
Tumca amis kontroli amaT ar<br />
evalebodaT da CubiniZe ibarebda<br />
fuls. samxaraulis eqspertizac<br />
dainiSna, Tumca daskvna ver daweres.<br />
_ ratom?<br />
_ iseTi absurduli mdgomareoba<br />
da domxali iyo sawarmoSi,<br />
Tavi da bolo ver gaiges. davalianeba<br />
rom CubiniZis periodSi warmoiSva,<br />
es dadginda, magram Semdgom<br />
ramdeni daemata, veRar gaarkvies.<br />
verc konsignaciiT waRebul<br />
fqvilze dadginda veraferi,<br />
radgan Canawerebi ar arsebobda<br />
da aRricxulic ar iyo, vin ramdeni<br />
Tanxa moitana. produqtis erTerTma<br />
mimRebma Tqva, _ mZRols,<br />
xisfexaSvils gavatane fulio. xisfexaSvilmac<br />
aRiara, rom es fuli<br />
daxarja da adgilze ar miitana _<br />
20 aTasi, Tumca es adamianic ar misces<br />
pasuxisgebaSi. aseT Cvenebebs<br />
sasamarTlo ar daeyrdno da buRalterma<br />
zarnaZem rac dauwera,<br />
imas daujeres. yvela am firmaSi<br />
maTi Semosavlebis eqspertiza<br />
unda Catarebuliyo, Sps wisqvilkombinat<br />
„Tbiliss” maTTan saqmiani<br />
urTierToba hqonda da am formiT<br />
dadgeniliyo WeSmariteba. eqspertizas<br />
saxelmwifo yvelasTan<br />
ver Caatarebda, Zviri daujdeboda,<br />
ver gaswvdeboda da martivi gamosavali<br />
moZebnes, _ Tanxis waReba<br />
am or pirovnebas miaweres. saqme<br />
aris naxevrad fabrikatuli, radgan<br />
gamoZieba swori gziT ver wavida.<br />
2008-09 wlebSi wisqvilkombinats<br />
ukve hqonda milionze meti<br />
davalianeba, raSic liparteliani<br />
damnaSave ver iqneboda, radgan am<br />
dros is saqarTveloSi ar imyofeboda<br />
da wisqvilkombinatTanac<br />
Sexeba ar hqonda.<br />
garda amisa, kidev bevri usamarTloba<br />
Caidina sasamarTlom.<br />
samotivacio nawilSi is aRniSnavs,<br />
rom Temur qurasbediani 2010 wlis<br />
1-li noembridan 2013 wlis 29 noembramde<br />
muSaobda buRaltris Tanamdebobaze<br />
da valdebuleba ekisreboda,<br />
droulad Seetana navaWri<br />
Tanxa, an daniSnulebisamebr Caebarebina,<br />
anu igi iyo pasuxismgebeli<br />
Tanxis saTanado Senaxvazeo, magram<br />
gaurkvevelia, romel xelSekrulebas<br />
daeyrdno sasamarTlo am<br />
SemTxvevaSi, radgan qurasbedian-<br />
Tan dadebuli SromiTi xelSekrulebis<br />
Tanaxmad, navaWri Tanxis<br />
Cabarebasa da fulad saxsrebze<br />
uSualo zedamxedvelobaze misi<br />
pasuxismgeblobis Sesaxeb miTiTe-<br />
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buli ar aris. buRalteri valdebulia,<br />
buRaltruli dokumentacia<br />
awarmoos da mas fulis Senaxvaze<br />
kontroli ar evaleba.<br />
Temur qurasbediani danaSaulebrivad<br />
daukavSirda irakli lipartelianso,<br />
_ aRniSnavs sasamarTlo.<br />
saidan askvnis amas, esec gaurkvevelia,<br />
radgan daukavSirdnen<br />
Tu ara isini erTmaneTs, es mxolod<br />
maTi CvenebiT SeiZleboda<br />
garkveuliyo.<br />
2013 wlis 27 Tebervlis brZanebiT<br />
irakli liparteliani aris<br />
daniSnuli gamyidvelis Tanamdebobaze<br />
da xelfasad daeniSna 800<br />
lari, Tumca sasamarTlo ambobs,<br />
rom is imyofeboda sawarmos realizaciis<br />
ufrosis Tanamdebobaze<br />
da saidan askvnis amas, an ra dokuments<br />
eyrdnoba, esec gaurkvevelia.<br />
SromiTi xelSekrulebiT Temur<br />
qusabediansa da irakli lipartelians<br />
sarealizacio punqtSi<br />
Sesul Tanxebze kontroli ar evalebodaT.<br />
2013 wlis 1-li Tebervlis<br />
brZanebiT liparteliani gadaiyvanes<br />
imereTis regionis realizaciis<br />
ufrosad. sasamarTlo ar<br />
aRniSnavs da dums imaze, rom ar<br />
aris dadebuli amis damamtkicebeli<br />
SromiTi xelSekruleba Sps ,,bevrili<br />
jgufsa” da lipartelians<br />
Soris, arada, sasamarTlo valdebulia,<br />
ganaCenSi Camoyalibebuli<br />
yvela daskvna da gadawyvetileba<br />
daasabuTos. roca irakli liparteliani<br />
gamyidvelad muSaobda<br />
2010 wlidan, amave periodSi gamyidvelad<br />
muSaobdnen laSa dvali,<br />
kaxa biwaZe, irakli jiblaZe, aleko<br />
xaWapuriZe, daTo lomiZe da veravin<br />
mixvdeba, saidan askvnis gamo-<br />
Zieba, rom irakli lipartelianma<br />
da Temur qurasbedianma miiTvises<br />
es Tanxebi? danaklisis warmomavloba<br />
dadgindeboda maSin, roca<br />
yvela zemoT CamoTvlili piri pasuxs<br />
agebda. Tavad saqmis gamomZiebeli<br />
_ daviT kutalaZe saubrobda,<br />
rom saqme ar iyo srulyofili,<br />
roca is sasamarTloSi wavida. sasamarTlos<br />
ganaCenSi mohyavs mowme<br />
daviT kutalaZis Cveneba, rom igi<br />
muSaobs q. Tbilisis prokuraturis<br />
sagamoZiebo nawilSi da aRniSnul<br />
saqmeze iyo sagamoZiebo jgufis<br />
wevri. misi TqmiT, konsignatorTa<br />
baraTebi saSualebas aZlevda,<br />
konkretuli pirebi daekiTxaT.<br />
dakiTxes 200-ze meti mowme,<br />
romelTac davalianebebi daadastures<br />
da aRniSnuli Tanxa eqspertizis<br />
TanxiT dadgenil Tanxas gamoaklda.<br />
mowmis ganmartebiT iyo<br />
SemTxvevebi, rodesac konsignacia<br />
warmoSobili iyo 2010-2011 wlebSi<br />
da daifara mogvianebiT. daviT kutalaZem<br />
ganmarta, rom buRalteria<br />
saerTod ar warmoebda da misi<br />
azriT monacemebi iyo yalbi, amityofili<br />
maRalCinosani<br />
om konsignatorebi ra Tanxasac<br />
daafiqsirebdnen sasamarTlo sxdomaze,<br />
aRniSnuli eqspertizis<br />
daskvniT dadgenil Tanxas unda<br />
gamoakldeso. amdenad, TviT saqmis<br />
gamomZieblis, daviT kutalaZis<br />
CvenebiT dgindeba, rom saqmeze ar<br />
Catarebula yovelmxrivi, srulyofili<br />
da obieqturi gamoZieba,<br />
Tumca sasamarTlom daviT kutalaZis<br />
Cvenebazec arviTari daskvna<br />
ar gaakeTa da rac undoda, is<br />
gadawyvetileba gamoitana. sasamarTlo<br />
Tavis ganaCenSi aseT ramesac<br />
aRniSnavs: miuxedavad xelSekrulebaSi<br />
miTiTebuli pasuxismgeblobisa,<br />
cxadia, erTi mxriv, 2013<br />
wlis Tebervlamde irakli lipartelians<br />
sawyobSi momuSave pirs,<br />
gamyidvels, xolo 2013 wlis Tebervlamde<br />
rogorc xelmZRvanels,<br />
meore mxriv, Temur qurasbedians,<br />
rogorc buRalters miuwvdebodaT<br />
xeli im fulad Tanxebze, rac<br />
sawarmoSi produqciis realizaciis<br />
Sedegad unda gadaricxuliyo,<br />
Sesabamisad, aRniSnul Tanxaze<br />
orive braldebuls hqonda wvdoma<br />
gadaricxvamdeo. magram sasamarTlo<br />
araswor daskvnebs akeTebs<br />
aRniSnulTan dakvSirebiT. braldebulebs<br />
rom hqondaT wvdoma<br />
Tanxebze gadaricxvamde, es ar ni-<br />
Snavs imas, rom aRniSnuli Tanxa<br />
aucileblad maT miiTvises. Tanac<br />
am TanxebTan wvdoma aseve hqondaT<br />
mZRolebs, sxva gamyidvelebs, xuTi<br />
wlis ganmavlobaSi zaza CubiniZes<br />
da sxva pirebs, vinc saqonels gascemda.<br />
sasamarTlom ki daskvnebi<br />
daamyara mxolod varaudebze, rac<br />
usamarTlobaa.<br />
kidev erT saintereso faqtze<br />
getyviT: sawarmos gaxsnis dRidan,<br />
2013 wlis ianvramde, misi direqtori<br />
iyo zaza CubiniZe. aseve ramdenime<br />
gamyidveli muSaobda aRniSnuli<br />
periodis ganmavlobaSi da<br />
nebismier gamyidvelze, aseve zaza<br />
CubiniZeze SegviZlia vivaraudoT,<br />
rom Tanxebi miiTvises, magram sasamarTlos<br />
aseTi mkacri gadawyvetilebebi<br />
varaudebze ar unda gamohqondes.<br />
magaliTad, Tamaz Canqselianis<br />
CvenebiT gela gaguas vali<br />
hqonda 26 000 lari. man valis magier<br />
Cado bina, romelic irakli<br />
lipartelianis saxelze gaformda<br />
da ara wisqvilkombinatis saxelze.<br />
misTvis, Turme, aseve cnobilia,<br />
rom zugdidis realizaciis ufross<br />
zaza CubiniZem saxlis aveji<br />
SeuZina, rac sabuTebSi gatarebuli<br />
ar iyo. zestafonidan Tu quTaisidan,<br />
arCevnebis periodSi, Wia-<br />
TuraSi gaigzavna fqvili saCuqrad<br />
zaza CubiniZis mier. zaza CubiniZis<br />
mamac am kombinatSi muSaobda.<br />
`zestafonidan Tu quTaisidan, arCevnebis periodSi, WiaTuraSi gaigzavna<br />
fqvili saCuqrad zaza CubiniZis mier. zaza CubiniZis mamac am kombinatSi<br />
muSaobda. misi ganmartebiT, yovel meore dRes morigeobda kombinatSi, 4-5<br />
manqanas iRebdnen obieqtze da TiTo manqanaze xan 20, xanac 50 tomara fqvili<br />
aklda. misive ganmartebiT, gafuWebuli fqvilic Semodioda... yovelive amis<br />
Semdeg, danaklisi, ra Tqma unda, iqneboda da es arc irakli lipartelianis<br />
da arc Temur qurasbedianis brali ar aris. uamravi aseTi darRvevis<br />
detalebze SemiZlia visaubro. rac am saqmis sasamarTlo ganxilvaze moxda,<br />
amaze saubars Tqveni gazeTis furclebi ar eyofa. yvelaze mTavari ki mainc<br />
is aris, rom ar daikiTxnen is adamianebi - CubiniZe da Canqseliani, romelTa<br />
Cvenebebsac SeeZlo, simarTlisTvis naTeli moefina. Suamdgomlobebis<br />
mravaljer dayenebis miuxedavad, maTi dakiTxva ver moxerxda~<br />
zurab rostiaSvili<br />
misi ganmartebiT, yovel meore<br />
dRes morigeobda kombinatSi, 4-5<br />
manqanas iRebdnen obieqtze da Ti-<br />
To manqanaze xan 20, xanac 50 tomara<br />
fqvili aklda. misive ganmartebiT,<br />
gafuWebuli fqvilic Semodioda...<br />
yovelive amis Semdeg, danaklisi,<br />
ra Tqma unda, iqneboda da<br />
es arc irakli lipartelianis da<br />
arc Temur qurasbedianis brali<br />
ar aris. uamravi aseTi darRvevis<br />
detalebze SemiZlia visaubro. rac<br />
am saqmis sasamarTlo ganxilvaze<br />
moxda, amaze saubars Tqveni gaze-<br />
Tis furclebi ar eyofa.<br />
yvelaze mTavari ki mainc is<br />
aris, rom ar daikiTxnen is adamianebi<br />
_ CubiniZe da Canqseliani,<br />
romelTa Cvenebebsac SeeZlo, simarTlisTvis<br />
naTeli moefina. Suamdgomlobebis<br />
mravaljer dayenebis<br />
miuxedavad, maTi dakiTxva<br />
ver moxerxda.<br />
_ sasamarTlo ratom iyo ten-<br />
denciuri?<br />
_ magis Tqma ar SemiZlia, Tumca<br />
raRac rom xdeboda da am saqmis<br />
mosamarTleebic samarTlianobas-<br />
Tan mwyralad iyvnen, faqtia. am<br />
saqmeze samarTali jer kidev aRsadgenia<br />
da ojaxis moTxovnac<br />
aucileblad unda dakmayofildes<br />
_ ipovon namdvili damnaSave da<br />
dasajon.<br />
„qronika+” zaza CubiniZes<br />
daukavSirda:<br />
_ am saqmeze aravin damiWeria.<br />
wisqvilkombinatis mepatroneebma<br />
Tavad Seitanes saCivari imereTis<br />
prokuraturaSi da iq aRZres es<br />
saqme. liparteliani da qurasbediani<br />
ukrainidan rom Camoiyvanes,<br />
manamde iq Casulebi iyvnen kombinatis<br />
mepatroneebi _ Canqselianebi<br />
da samarTaldamcvelebs isini<br />
exmarebodnen orives dakavebaSi.<br />
miuxedavad imisa, rom maSin samxareo<br />
policiis ufrosi viyavi, CemTan<br />
es patimrebi ar mjdaran da arc<br />
maT saqmeSi mimiRia monawileoba. is<br />
muxli, romliTac saqmea aRZruli,<br />
policiis qvemdebare ar aris, is<br />
gaxlavT prokuraturisa da finansuri<br />
policiis qvemdebare.<br />
2012 wlis noember-dekemberSi<br />
kombinatidan wamovedi da Ss saministroSi<br />
daviwye muSaoba; 2013<br />
wels ki qurasbedianma da lipartelianma<br />
samsaxurebi miatoves da<br />
sazRvargareT wavidnen. ratom miatoves,<br />
amas mxolod Ziebis dros<br />
vgebulobdi. marTlac viyavi am<br />
wisqvilkombinatSi xelmZRvanel<br />
Tanamdebobaze, magram TanxebTan<br />
Sexeba ar mqonia. es sawyobi quTais-<br />
Si 2007 wels gaixsna da menejerad<br />
daviniSne, buRalteri daviT lomiZe<br />
iyo, romelic Carqselianebis<br />
naTesavia. Cemi funqcia gaxldaT<br />
klientis moZieba, produqciis dacva<br />
da realizacia, danarCens buRalteri<br />
akeTebda. Tu konsignatori<br />
vadas gadaacdenda da Tanxas<br />
ar moitanda, buRalteri maT<br />
gvar-saxels maZlevda, vakiTxavdi<br />
da Tanxebs viRebdi. yvela am kiTxvaze<br />
prokuraturaSi pasuxi maqvs<br />
gacemuli, roca Tbilisis prokuraturam<br />
damkiTxa. cota xnis winaT<br />
policiidan Cemi wamosvlac, sinamdvileSi,<br />
Canqselianebis mier<br />
moxda, radgan isini Cemi mtrebi<br />
arian.<br />
sasamarTlom ar CaTvala da mowmeTa<br />
siaSi Cavewere. lipartelianis<br />
dedam da advokatma mTxoves,<br />
_ iqneb, sasamarTloSi moxvide,<br />
kiTxvebi gvaqvs, romelic Cvens mxares<br />
waadgebao. Cemi Cveneba, romelic<br />
prokuraturas miveci, sasamarTlom<br />
gamoaqveyna. miuxedavad<br />
amisa, mainc mivedi sasamarTloze,<br />
magram maT advokats Cems dakiTxvaze<br />
dayenebuli Suamdgomloba ar<br />
hqonda da sasamarTlom uari ganmicxada.<br />
amis mere wamovedi, aba, iq<br />
xom ar davrCebodi?<br />
Canqselianebi Cemi mtrebi arian<br />
da isini rogor damniSnavdnen Tanamdebobaze?<br />
andac me Tu maT biznesSi<br />
danaSauli mqonda, iqidan<br />
rogor gamomiSvebdnen da ar momTxovdnen<br />
pasuxs? axla me Tqven<br />
gelaparakebiT kacurad, _ sad<br />
RaribaSvili da sad Canqselianebi?<br />
dakavebulebic da wisqvilkombinatis<br />
xelmZRvanelebic erTi ojaxis<br />
wevrebi arian. erTmaneTi ar daindes<br />
da me rom marTla rame dameSavebina,<br />
damindobdnen? liparteliani<br />
da qurasbediani cud mdgomareoba-<br />
Si arian, magram axla Canqselianebis<br />
davalebiT moqmedeben da roca saWiro<br />
gaxdeba, amas aucileblad davamtkiceb.<br />
saamarTlom ukve gamoitana<br />
gadawyvetileba da mis winaaRmdeg<br />
veravin wavalT. axali gamo-<br />
Ziebis dawyeba Zmeb Canqselianebis<br />
dakveTaa. ki batono, kidev gamoiZion,<br />
kidev viTanamSromleb gamoZiebasTan,<br />
magram minda icodeT, rom me<br />
var Canqselianebis devnis qveS. sasamarTlo<br />
sxdomebze Cems ojaxis<br />
wevrebs fizikuradac exebodnen da<br />
iq saSinelebebs axdendnen. tyved<br />
egeni hyavs axla Canqselians. Semi-<br />
Zlia, TbilisSi Camovide da yvela<br />
kiTxvaze gagceT pasuxi, radgan Jurnalisturi<br />
gamoZieba CemTvis Zalian<br />
avtoritetulia. aqamde am sakiTxs<br />
yvela mediasaSualeba calmxrivad<br />
aSuqebda, aravin mirekavda da<br />
arafers mekiTxeboda. didi madloba,<br />
rom damikavSirdiT da Cemi poziciis<br />
dafiqsirebis saSualeba momeciT.<br />
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korufcia samegreloSi da<br />
eka uridia<br />
samegreloSi korufciis kidev<br />
erTi mimarTuleba kargad SerCeuli<br />
da SeniRbuli gegmis mixed-<br />
viT „yvavis”.<br />
gubernatori levan Sonia am<br />
kuTxiTac niWieri aRmoCnda. meriasa<br />
da sakrebulosTan garigebiT,<br />
Sps kompaniebze specialuri<br />
satendero pirobebis SeqmniT,<br />
erTi SexedviT, „sarfiani<br />
korufcia” SeniRba. Tumca sayvareli<br />
saqmianobis sruli konspiracia<br />
mainc ver moaxerxa im<br />
ubralo mizezTa gamo, rom sakrebulos<br />
TanamSromlebis ojaxis<br />
wevrebsa da Tavad mis megobrebze<br />
gadaanawila satendero<br />
bizneswilebi. oTxi wlis manZilze<br />
am faqtebma sxva struqturis<br />
TanamSromlebi aalaparaka,<br />
Tumca prokuratura da finansuri<br />
policia dRemde Tbil qveynebSi<br />
gadamfreni mercxlebis<br />
pozicias ikavebda da arc erT<br />
faqtze ar dainteresebula. isini,<br />
mxolod da mxolod, im<br />
dros gamoCndebian, roca gubernatoris<br />
miTiTebas miiReben.<br />
es ukve im SemTxvevaSi, roca misi<br />
„sawilo” biznesisTvis niadagi<br />
mzaddeba, an biznesze misi<br />
daintereseba Cndeba.<br />
Sps samSeneblo kompaniebi,<br />
romlebic dRes tenderebSi imarjveben,<br />
2013-2015 wlebSi daregistrirda;<br />
aseve kerZo pirebic,<br />
romlebic indmewarmis saqmianobas<br />
ewevian.<br />
4-wliani mmarTvelobis SedegiT<br />
gamarjvebuli kompaniis<br />
mflobelebi arian zugdidis<br />
sakrebulos wevrebis mSoblebi<br />
da lobirebiT Camoyvanili kompaniebi,<br />
romelTaTvis meriaSi<br />
satendero pirobebi winaswari<br />
SerCeviT iwereba.<br />
aqve gTavazobT CamonaTva-<br />
lis nawils:<br />
1. indmewarme eldar fifia<br />
(metsaxelad „arwiva”) _ zugdidis<br />
sakrebulos wevris, ganaTlebis,<br />
kulturis, sportisa da<br />
axalgazrdul saqmeTa komisiis<br />
Tavmjdomaris, naTia fifias mama.<br />
misi kompanioni soso Todua<br />
_ sakrebulos Tavmjdomaris<br />
moadgilis, giorgi Toduas mama;<br />
2. indmewarme soso gogoxia _<br />
eldar fifias partniori, zugdidis<br />
municipalitetis sakrebulos<br />
wevri;<br />
3. Sps „zugdidmSenservisi” _<br />
zugdidis meris moadgilis (zugdidis<br />
meri irakli gogoxia misi<br />
mejvarea), koba jiqias simamari,<br />
Temur janaSias mflobelobaSia.<br />
mTavari inJineri aris<br />
besik Todua _ arqiteqturis<br />
samsaxuris ufrosis, ekaterine<br />
Toduas mama;<br />
4. Sps „akaenerji” _ kaxaber<br />
azikuri (kaxa kalaZesTan dakav-<br />
Sirebuli kompania), Camoyvanas<br />
lobirebs vice-meri gulordava.<br />
5. Sps „jorjian stouni” (ba-<br />
Tumi, qobuleTi). am kompaniis<br />
warmomadgeneli zugdidSi aris<br />
irakli gogoxias Zma, paata gogoxia.<br />
Sps „legi” misi partniori<br />
organizaciaa;<br />
6. Sps „gilani XXI” _ avTandil<br />
wirRvava, leqso wirRvava.<br />
zugdidis vice-meris, gia gulordavas<br />
lobirebis qveS (garda<br />
amisa, erT pirTan molaparkebiT<br />
am kompanias mieca yinulis saxlis<br />
850 aTasi da sportis sasaxlis<br />
gadaxurvis 250 aTasi);<br />
7. Sps „gzamSeni” da qvekontraqtori<br />
„ami 2014" _ e. w. qvafenilebis<br />
saqme _ zugdidis vice-meris,<br />
gia gulordavas lobirebiT;<br />
8. Sps „rezi 10" _ arCil xubunia,<br />
vice-meri gulordavas<br />
lobirebiT;<br />
9. Sps „kavkasenergo” _ vicemer<br />
gulordavas Camohyavs.<br />
eldar fifia, `arwiva~<br />
`aseve erT pirTan molparakebiT aqvT<br />
gadaricxuli yinulis saxlze 850 aTasi lari<br />
da 250 aTasi lari sportdarbazis<br />
gadaxurvisTvis, Sps `gilanisTvis~, romelic<br />
pirdapir vice-mer gulordavasTanaa<br />
dakavSirebuli. igi biZina ivaniSvilis<br />
kurselia. yinulis saxli wina xelisuflebis<br />
dros Seisyides da, rogorc iqna, TveobiT<br />
lodinis Semdeg Sps `gilanma~, specialurad am<br />
kompaniisTvis daamontaJa. es samuSaoebi didi<br />
xani inaxeboda. yinulis saxli uxarisxod<br />
Sesrulebuli samuSaoebis gamo, oficialur<br />
gaxsnamde, CamoengraT. ani wiTliZis<br />
ganmartebiT, samuSaoebi uxarisxod da aseve<br />
uxarisxo masaliT Sesrulda. rac<br />
dokumentebSi dafiqsirda, yinulis saxli im<br />
xarisxis masalebiT ar damontaJebula.<br />
miuxedavad amisa, reabilitaciisTvis meriam<br />
erT pirTan molaparakebiT kvlav am kompanias<br />
Cauricxa Tanxa, -150 000 larze meti.<br />
zugdidSi meriis mier samSeneblo samuSaoebze<br />
gamocxadebul tenderebs ufro metad Sonia-<br />
gulordavas megobrebis kompaniebi igebs~<br />
irakli gogoxia,<br />
zugdidis meri<br />
aseve erT pirTan molparakebiT<br />
aqvT gadaricxuli yinulis<br />
saxlze 850 aTasi lari da 250<br />
aTasi lari sportdarbazis gadaxurvisTvis,<br />
Sps „gilanis-<br />
Tvis”, romelic pirdapir vicemer<br />
gulordavasTanaa dakavSirebuli.<br />
igi biZina ivaniSvilis<br />
kurselia. yinulis saxli wina<br />
xelisuflebis dros Seisyides<br />
da, rogorc iqna, TveobiT lodinis<br />
Semdeg Sps „gilanma”, specialurad<br />
am kompaniisTvis daamontaJa.<br />
es samuSaoebi didi<br />
xani inaxeboda. yinulis saxli<br />
uxarisxod Sesrulebuli samuSaoebis<br />
gamo, oficialur gaxsnamde,<br />
CamoengraT. ani wiTliZis<br />
ganmartebiT, samuSaoebi uxarisxod<br />
da aseve uxarisxo masaliT<br />
Sesrulda. rac dokumentebSi<br />
dafiqsirda, yinulis saxli<br />
im xarisxis masalebiT ar damontaJebula.<br />
miuxedavad amisa,<br />
reabilitaciisTvis meriam erT<br />
pirTan molaparakebiT kvlav am<br />
kompanias Cauricxa Tanxa, _ 150<br />
000 larze meti.<br />
zugdidSi meriis mier sam-<br />
Seneblo samuSaoebze gamocxadebul<br />
tenderebs ufro metad<br />
Sonia-gulordavas megobrebis<br />
kompaniebi igebs.<br />
Sps „akaenerjisaTvis” satendero<br />
pirobebi meriam winaswar<br />
SeimuSava. kompanias, romelic<br />
gare ganaTebebis samontaJo samuSaoebi<br />
unda Seesrulebina,<br />
meriis wesdebis mixedviT, am<br />
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megruli klanis gaSifruli sqema<br />
`Sps `akaenerjisaTvis~ satendero pirobebi<br />
meriam winaswar SeimuSava. kompanias, romelic<br />
gare ganaTebebis samontaJo samuSaoebi unda<br />
Seesrulebina, meriis wesdebis mixedviT, am<br />
saxis samuSaoebSi gamocdileba unda hqonoda,<br />
rac, am SemTxvevaSi, sxva kompaniebisgan<br />
gansxvavebiT, mxolod Sps `akaenerjs~ hqonda.<br />
Tumca eqspertebis ganmartebiT tenderSi<br />
monawile yvela kompanias SeeZlo es<br />
samuSaoebi Seesrulebina, magram meriis mier<br />
Sedgenili satendero wesebis mixedviT,<br />
aucilebel pirobad `gamocdileba~<br />
ganisazRvra, raTa gamarjvebul kompaniad Sps<br />
`akaenerji~ gamovleniliyo. es kompania kaxi<br />
kalaZis megobris, kaxaber azikuris<br />
mflobelobaSia. swored kaxi kalaZis<br />
lobirebiT SeirCa aRniSnuli kompania.<br />
levan Sonia, samegrelo-zemo<br />
svaneTis gubernatori<br />
N23(154) 28.6-4.7.2016 w.<br />
irakli gogoxia,<br />
zugdidis meri<br />
koba jiqia,<br />
zugdidis meris<br />
moadgile<br />
saxis samuSaoebSi gamocdileba<br />
unda hqonoda, rac, am SemTxvevaSi,<br />
sxva kompaniebisgan gansxvavebiT,<br />
mxolod Sps „akaenerjs”<br />
hqonda. Tumca eqspertebis<br />
ganmartebiT tenderSi monawile<br />
yvela kompanias SeeZlo es<br />
samuSaoebi Seesrulebina, magram<br />
meriis mier Sedgenili satendero<br />
wesebis mixedviT, aucilebel<br />
pirobad „gamocdileba”<br />
ganisazRvra, raTa gamarjvebul<br />
kompaniad Sps „akaenerji” gamovleniliyo.<br />
es kompania kaxi kalaZis<br />
megobris, kaxaber azikuris<br />
mflobelobaSia. swored<br />
kaxi kalaZis lobirebiT SeirCa<br />
aRniSnuli kompania.<br />
kompaniebisTvis, romlebic<br />
samuSaoebs asruleben, Ser-<br />
Ceulia maRaziebi, sadac sam-<br />
Seneblo masalebs Seisyidian,<br />
rac aseve korufciuli sqemis<br />
erT-erTi nawilia.<br />
kidev erTi meTodi, romli-<br />
Tac meria-sakrebulo Seecada,<br />
tenderebis realoba SeeniRba:<br />
man xelovnurad gazarda tenderebSi<br />
monawile kompaniebis<br />
da fizikuri pirebis raodenoba,<br />
romlebic Tvalis asaxvevad<br />
igive kompaniis mflobelebs ekuTvnis,<br />
magram saWiroebis gamo,<br />
axali saxelwodebiT daaregistrires,<br />
radgan satendero komisiaSi<br />
erTi da igive dasaxelebis<br />
kompaniebis mogeba ar dafiqsirdes.<br />
anu erT SemTxvevaSi<br />
erTi da igive pirovnebis sami<br />
kompaniidan tenders ori agebs,<br />
xolo erTi imarjvebs, rac, er-<br />
Ti SexedviT, ar Cans, magram saqmeSi<br />
didi dakvirveba ar dag-<br />
WirdebaT, Tu tendereze moTamaSe<br />
kompaniebis pirvelad sias<br />
da mis mflobelebs icnobT, aseve<br />
Tu icnobT da iciT Zveli<br />
da axali mflobelebis urTierT<br />
biznesgarigebebi. am sakiTxs<br />
sakrebuloSi opoziciuri<br />
konkurenti wevrebic ise faqtebiT<br />
icnoben da gikonkreteben,<br />
gegoneba, gakveTilad hqondaT<br />
dasamuSavebeli. amdenad, sqema<br />
kargad gaSifrulia!!!<br />
zugdidSi Sesrulebuli samuSaoebis<br />
uxarisxobaze sakrebulos<br />
wevrma ani wiTliZem ramdenime<br />
brifingi gamarTa da faqtebi<br />
gaasajarova. misi ganmartebiT,<br />
q. zugdidSi dagebuli<br />
qvafenilis maRali xarisxi, mxolod<br />
da mxolod, dokumenteb-<br />
Si aRiniSneba, xolo dagebuli<br />
qvafenili sul sxva realobas<br />
asaxavs da Zalian dabali xarisxisaa.<br />
igi Seisyides meris Zmis,<br />
paata gogoxias kuTvnili kompaniis,<br />
Sps „legis” qarxnidan. mu-<br />
Sebs dRemde ar auRiaT Sesrulebuli<br />
samuSaoebis anazRaureba.<br />
samuSaoebi Sps „ami 2014"-<br />
ma Seasrula, romelmac muSebs<br />
Tanxa ver gadauxada. miuxedavad<br />
aqciebisa, muSebi am dromde<br />
iTxoven Tanxis anazRaurebas.<br />
am faqtze safinanso policiaSi<br />
saqme aRiZra. daikiTxnen<br />
muSebi, aseve ukve mimalvaSi myofi<br />
kompaniis mflobeli, amiran<br />
kartozia. meriis gancxadebiT,<br />
aRniSnul kompanias Tanxa<br />
droulad gadaericxa.<br />
sakrebulos wevri wiTliZe<br />
acxadebs, rom meriis brZanebiT<br />
Sps „ami 2014" diskvalificirebulia<br />
da mas da aRar SeeZlo<br />
tenderebSi monawileoba, Tumca<br />
vice-mer gia gulordavas<br />
CareviT aRniSnulma kompaniam<br />
kvlav moaxerxa samuSaoebis Sesruleba.<br />
am samuSaoebze tenderi<br />
moigo vice-meris megobris<br />
kompania Sps „gzamSenma”, romlis<br />
qvekontraqtori gaxda Sps<br />
„ami 2014". mogvianebiT, muSebze<br />
gasacemi xelfasebi gulordavas<br />
wili gaxda „atkatebis” saxiT.<br />
ani wiTliZis mtkicebiT, gulordavam<br />
am SemTxvevaSi amiran<br />
kartoziasgan zugdidis „mayureblis”,<br />
xviCa cxakaias SuamavlobiT<br />
ufro meti Tanxa waiRo<br />
droebiT gamosayeneblad, vidre<br />
„atkatebis” saxiT ekuTvnoda.<br />
amiran kartozias Tanxa<br />
dRemde ar daubruna. muSebi anazRaurebas<br />
elian da dRemde<br />
danapirebis amara rCebian. rom<br />
ara meriisa da sakrebulos Soris<br />
aseTi „Sexmatkbilebuli”<br />
garigeba, erTi xeliT Seqmnil<br />
korufciul satendero sqemas<br />
meore xeliTve daangrevda Semqmneli,<br />
radgan finansur SemosavlebTn<br />
erTad ubedurebis<br />
didi nawilic korufcias moaqvs.<br />
am faqtebze xmauris Semdeg<br />
meriam da sakrebulom satendero<br />
bazarze axali kompaniebi<br />
da indmewarmeebi Semoiyvana.<br />
maTi mxridan msxvil tendereb-<br />
Si mogebis SemTxvevaSic qvekontraqtorad<br />
igive kompaniis<br />
mflobelebi asrulebdnen samuSaoebs<br />
da gankargavdnen finansebs.<br />
meriis mier gamocxadebul<br />
samSeneblo samuSaoebze tenderis<br />
mogebaSi monawileoben: sakrebulos<br />
maRali Tanamdebobis<br />
piris naTia fifias mama, indmewarme<br />
eldar fifia, metsaxelad<br />
gia gulordava<br />
zugdidis vice-meri<br />
goga Todua,<br />
zugdidis s/k<br />
Tavmjdomaris<br />
moadgile<br />
„arwiva”; sakrebulos Tavmjdomaris<br />
moagilis goga Toduas<br />
mama, soso Todua; mTavari arqitetoris<br />
eka Toduas mama, besik<br />
Todua; meris moadgile koba<br />
jiqias simamri, Temur jana-<br />
Sia. es im adamianTa mcire CamonaTvalia,<br />
romelTac zemoTqmul<br />
meriis gamocxadebul sam-<br />
Seneblo samuSaoebis tenderebis<br />
mogebaSi merab qvaraia lobirebs.<br />
Tanamoazreebs swored aseTi<br />
merab qvaraia,<br />
zugdidis s/k<br />
Tavmjdomare<br />
naTia fifia,<br />
zugdidis s/k<br />
wevri, komisiis<br />
Tavmjdomare<br />
garigegebiT Seqmnili sqemebis<br />
ufro sjeraT, rom sxvisTvis<br />
SeuRweveli iqneba...<br />
albaT, arc erT maTgans ar<br />
ufiqria, ramdenad sazianoa,<br />
TviTmmarTvelobis kanonmdeblobiT<br />
gaTvaliswinebuli yvela<br />
SesaZlebloba korufciul<br />
ganzraxvebs moargo.<br />
etyoba, ufro didi saqmea im<br />
megobrobis erTguleba, romelsac<br />
es sqema moiTxovs...<br />
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garemoebebi, romlis gamoc afxazeTis sus-is ganyofilebis<br />
ufrosi, zviad lagvilava, samizne gaxda, dRemde sazoga-<br />
doebisTvis burusiT moculi rCeba.<br />
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miuxedavad imasa, rom afeTqebidan<br />
uCveulo siswrafiT,<br />
daaxloebiT or saaTSi, Senobis<br />
demontaJi daiwyo, momxdaris<br />
oficialur mizezad dasaxelebuli<br />
wylis gamaTbobeli avzis<br />
afeTqeba eWvqveS daayena nangrevebSi<br />
aRmoCenili asafeTqebeli<br />
nivTierebebis _ trotilisa<br />
da heqsogenis kvalis arsebobam.<br />
ojaxis ganamartebiT, 2014<br />
wlis 28 oqtombris Rames momxdar<br />
afeTqebas 20-30 wuTiT<br />
adre win uZRoda afxazeTis<br />
sus-is ganyofilebis ufrosis,<br />
zviad lagvilavas mkvleloba.<br />
saeWvoa im garemoebis arsebobac,<br />
romlis mixedviTac afe-<br />
Tqebis dros SenobaSi mxolod<br />
gardacvlili imyofeboda. Senobis<br />
SesasvlelSi damontaJebuli<br />
saTvalTvalo kamera da<br />
mis mier dafiqsirebuli SemTxvevis<br />
dRis amsaxveli videomasala,<br />
ojaxis wevrTa daJinebuli<br />
moTxovnis miuxedavad, saqmeSi<br />
ver moxvda, Tumca ojaxma video<br />
da audio masala Tavad moipova,<br />
sadac saqmis axali garemoeba<br />
aRmoaCina. video-audio masalis<br />
nawili waSlilia, kerZod,<br />
kameris mier afeTqebamde 20 wu-<br />
TiT adre dafiqsirebuli Canaweri<br />
danawevrebulia or da samwuTian<br />
2 video failad, Canaweris<br />
danarCeni nawili ki waSlilia.<br />
aRniSnuli safuZvlians xdis<br />
ojaxis wevrTa eWvebs, rom waSlil<br />
videoCanawerebSi asaxuli<br />
pirovneba kavSirSia zviad lagvilavas<br />
saidumloebiT mocul<br />
gardacvalebasTan. maTi informaciiT,<br />
es pirovneba aris afxazeTis<br />
sus-is specdaniSnulebis<br />
usafrTxoebis sammarTvelos<br />
yofili ufrosi, onisime kvaSilava,<br />
metsaxelad „uzbeka”.<br />
aseve gamoZiebas dRemde ar<br />
aqvs amoRebuli satelefono<br />
saubrebis Canawerebi (detaluri).<br />
ojaxis wevrebi TavianTi SesaZleblobebiT<br />
cdiloben saqmisaTvis<br />
mniSvnelovani faqtebis<br />
moZiebas. gardacvalebamde<br />
zviad lagvilava ojaxis wevrebs<br />
afrTxilebda, rom mosalodneli<br />
iyo misi afeTqeba da<br />
maTTan erTad avtomobiliT gadaadgilebas<br />
erideboda. gardacvlilis<br />
meuRle, cira malania,<br />
„qronika+”-Tan akonkretebs,<br />
rom meuRlesTn erTad Tbilisisken<br />
mgzavrobisas zviads<br />
mobilur telefonze megobarma<br />
daureka da acnoba, rom mis<br />
kuTvnil avtomanqanaze TvalTvali<br />
xorcieldeboda da gaafrTxila,<br />
avtomobili uyuradRebod<br />
ar mietovebina. mas saubari<br />
detalurad axsovs da dialogidan<br />
gamomdinare aSkara<br />
iyo, rom es gaxldaT zviadis<br />
megobari, romelic mosalodnel<br />
Tavdasxmaze afrTxilebda.<br />
saubris dasasrul cira malaniam<br />
meuRles hkiTxa, Tu vin iyo<br />
es pirovneba da ra safrTxeze<br />
saubrobda, gardacvlilma ki<br />
megobris dasaxelebisgan Tavi<br />
Seikava, Tumca meuRles uTxara,<br />
rom misi sicocxle gadaarCina,<br />
radgan manqanaSi masTan erTad<br />
imyofeboda. cira malanias dazustebiT<br />
axsovs Tve da ricxvic,<br />
amitom gamoZiebas sTxovda,<br />
detalurad moepovebina am<br />
dRes gardacvlilis telefonze<br />
ganxorcielebuli Semavali<br />
da gamavali satelefono zarebis<br />
nusxa.<br />
„qronika+”-isTvis cnobili<br />
gaxda mkvlelobis dRemde gauxmaurebeli<br />
kidev erTi motivi:<br />
zviad lagvilavam uari ganacxada,<br />
2008 wlis 25 oqtombers<br />
walenjixis raionSi, okupaciis<br />
xazTan mdebare sofel muJava-<br />
Si momxdari afeTqebis Sesaxeb<br />
dRevandeli prokuraturis sasurveli<br />
mowme yofiliyo.<br />
scenaris mixedviT, zviad<br />
lagvilavas iZulebuls xdidnen<br />
eTqva, TiTqos is monawile iyo<br />
zviad lagvilava<br />
vin sTxovda<br />
afxazeTis<br />
sus-is ufross<br />
rusuli gegmis<br />
ganxorcielebas<br />
da crumowmeobas?!<br />
qarTuli specsamsaxurebis mier<br />
sofel muJaveli oTar sabuluas<br />
sacxovrebeli ezos danaRvmisa<br />
da dacxrilvis, ris Sedegadac<br />
gardaicvala walenjixis<br />
imJamindeli gamgebeli gia mebonia<br />
da ojaxis ufrosi oTar<br />
sabulua, xolo zviad lagvilava<br />
mZimed daiWra. miuxedavad<br />
dapirebebisa, aw gardacvlilma<br />
zviad lagvilavam kategoriuli<br />
uari ganacxada rusuli gegmis<br />
„gapravebaze” da crumowmeobaze.<br />
rogorc wyaro ganmartavs,<br />
mas unda daekonkretebina, rom<br />
am scenaris dadgmis mizani gaxldaT<br />
momxdari afeTqebis rusebisaTvis<br />
dabraleba da maTi<br />
imijis Selaxva. cnobilia, rom<br />
afeTqebas win uZRoda oTar<br />
sabuluas saxlis dacxrilva, am<br />
faqtze sagamoZiebo moqmedebis<br />
Catarebisas moxda afeTqeba,<br />
ris Sedegadac is daWra. aqedan<br />
gamomdinare, dRevandeli prokuraturisTvis<br />
idealuri varianti<br />
iyo am SemTxvevis monawile<br />
piris crumowmed ayvana. mkvlelobis<br />
orive motiviT, ojaxis<br />
wevrTa moyvanili faqtebiTa da<br />
Seqmnili realuri suraTiT<br />
zviad lagvilavas erTsa da imave<br />
klanTan uwevda dapirispireba.<br />
zugdididan okupirebul<br />
afxazeTSi kondrabanda winaswar<br />
Sedgenili sqemis mixedviT<br />
gadaaqvT da gadmoaqvT, rasac<br />
samegrelo zemo-svaneTis gubernatori<br />
levan Sonia da misi<br />
klani akontrolebs, xolo misi<br />
„kriSa” irakli RaribaSvilis<br />
simamri, Tamaz TamazaSvili iyo.<br />
sarfiani SemosavlebisTvis Soniam<br />
pasuxismgebel Zalovan<br />
struqturebSi, romlebsac okupaciis<br />
xazebis kontroli evalebaT,<br />
xelmZRvanelebad saku-<br />
Tari deidaSvil-mamidaSvil-bi-<br />
ZaSvilebi daniSna, xolo fonebze,<br />
sadac kontrabanda gadadis,<br />
„SerCeul specrazmelTa<br />
jgufi” daayena. onisime kvaSilavas<br />
afxazeTis sus-is sammar-<br />
Tvelos ufrosobis dros swored<br />
am gziT dalagda kontrabanduli<br />
biznesi. Sonia-kvaSilavas<br />
orwliani Sexmatkbilebuli,<br />
kontrabanduli biznespartniorobis<br />
Semdeg onisime kvaSilava<br />
sxva Tanamdebobaze gadaiyvanes,<br />
xolo mis adgilas aw<br />
gardacvlili zviad lagvilava<br />
dainiSna. swored es gaxda motivi<br />
kvaSilava-lagvilavas dapirispirebisa.<br />
SoniasTvis isedac arasasurveli<br />
zviad lagvilava am Tanamdebobaze<br />
safrTxes warmoadgenda.<br />
samTviani muSaobis Sedegad<br />
gaSifruli Sonia-kvaSilavas<br />
kontrabanduli biznespartniorobis<br />
detalebi afeTqebamde<br />
sami dRiT adre gardacvlilma<br />
zviad lagvilavam Tbilis-<br />
Si Caitana da erT-erT yofil<br />
maRalCinosans gadasca, romelic<br />
TamazaSvil-RaribaSvilis<br />
klanTan iyo dapirispirebuli.<br />
2014 wlis 28 oqtombers, momxdari<br />
afeTqebis wina Rames,<br />
24 N23(154) 28.6-4.7.2016 w.<br />
zviadis samuSao kabinetSi Sedis<br />
pirovneba, romelic abazanaSi<br />
xelis naTuras _ „fanars”<br />
anTebs da mis Suqze daaxloebiT<br />
naxevari saaTi abazanaSi imyofeba,<br />
Semdeg ki sus-is Senobas<br />
tovebs. es faqti aRbeWdilia<br />
gare saTvalTvalo kameris<br />
gadaRebul videofirze.<br />
ojaxis mtkicebiT, zviadis mkvleloba<br />
abazanaSi igegmeboda,<br />
raTa SemTxveviTobasTan meti<br />
identuroba yofiliyo.<br />
pokuraturis mier gardacvalebis<br />
oficialur mizezad<br />
dasaxelebuli garemoebebis<br />
arc ojaxs da arc axloblebs<br />
ar sjera, miT umetes, maT eWvs<br />
amyarebs eqspertizis daskvnac,<br />
romelic winaaRmdegobaSi modis<br />
pokuraturis mier gacxadebul<br />
gardacvalebis mizezTan.<br />
zviad lagvilavas betonis tonaze<br />
meti simZimis filis dacemis<br />
Sedegad miRebuli dazianeba<br />
sxeulze ar etyoboda, _ dabeJili<br />
ar iyo. eqpertizis daskviniT,<br />
zviad lagvilavas cxedars<br />
aReniSneba sicocxlis<br />
droindeli dazianebebi. aseve<br />
eqspertizis daskvnaSi drois<br />
uzustobebia; saqmeSi ar devs<br />
arc erTi fotomasala, romelzec<br />
aRbeWdilia betonis filis<br />
qveS moyolili zviad lagvilavas<br />
cxedari.<br />
cira malania aseve ixsenebs,<br />
rom mas ori dRiT adre RamiT<br />
saxlSi moakiTxa levan Sonias<br />
klanis erT-erTma wevrma, susis<br />
maRalCinosanma g.n.-m. misi<br />
sakuTri manqanidan daaxloebiT<br />
naxevari saaTi xmamaRali saubari<br />
ismoda, rac dapirispirebis<br />
erT-erT deatalze mianiSnebda.<br />
savaraudod, saubari exeboda<br />
kontrabandis masalebs,<br />
romelsac zviad lagvilava inaxavda.<br />
wyaros ganmartebiT, masalebSi,<br />
romlebsac zviad lagvilava<br />
inaxavda, mocemuli iyo<br />
Sonia-kvaSilavas kavSiri rus<br />
okupantebTan da maTi samxedro<br />
bazebis momarageba sursaTiT,<br />
romelic mis sxva biznesTan SedarebiT<br />
aranakleb Semosavliania.<br />
ojaxis gadmocemiT, lagvilavasa<br />
da kvaSilavas Soris bolo<br />
dapirispireba senakSi moxda,<br />
sadac is afeTqebiT daemuqra,<br />
Tumca incidenti megobrebis<br />
CareviT maleve aRmoifxvra.<br />
kidev erTi mniSvnelovani detali,<br />
romlis gamoc onisime kvaSilava<br />
lagvilavas emuqreboda,<br />
es iyo samsaxuris Tanxa, romelic,<br />
TiTqos, afxazeTSi Catarebuli<br />
specoperaciisTvis gaixarja.<br />
sakmaod did Tanxazea<br />
saubari, romelic Tveebis mixedviT<br />
unda gaeweraT. lagvilavas<br />
winaswar or Tveze gawerili<br />
uwyisi daxvda xelmosawerad,<br />
razedac is uars acxadebda.<br />
ojaxisa da dazvervis maRal-<br />
Cinosnis mier mowodebuli informacia,<br />
maTive TqmiT, detalurad,<br />
faqtebiT aris gamyarebuli<br />
da gamoZiebisTvis mniSvnelovania,<br />
Tumca ojaxi prokuraturas<br />
ar endoba da acxadebs,<br />
rom es saqme ase burusiT<br />
moculi iqneba xelisuflebis<br />
Secvlamde. sazogadoebaSi kvlav<br />
SekiTxvad darCeba, _ mkvleloba,<br />
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miiRes. es exeba wina periodSi<br />
gacemuli administraciuli aqtebis,<br />
moqalaqebis mimarT administraciuli<br />
dapirebebiT micemuli<br />
uflebebis ugulebelyofas. ker-<br />
Zod, gaica mSeneblobis nebarTvebi,<br />
romelic Semdeg gauqmda. iyo<br />
iseTi SemTxvevebi, rom meriis saauqciono<br />
komisiam miwis nakveTebi<br />
gaitana, kerZod, 200 kv.m. miwis nakveTi<br />
gaitana im pirobiT, rom<br />
SemZens 2 wlis manZilze unda ae-<br />
Senebina komerciuli obieqti.<br />
winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi, am pirobis<br />
darRvevidan gamomdinare, kvlav<br />
CamoerTmeoda sakuTrebis ufleba<br />
da es miwis nakveTebi saxelmwifos<br />
daubrundeboda. miuxedavad imisa,<br />
rom moqalaqeebma pirnaTlad Seasrules<br />
valdebulebebi, auqcionis<br />
pirobebiT Sesabamisi Tanxa gadaixades,<br />
uZravi qoneba kerZo<br />
sakuTrebaSi dairegistrires im<br />
valdebulebiT, rom 2 wlis man-<br />
Zilze maT unda aeSenebinaT komerciuli<br />
obieqtebi, meriam Tavis<br />
pirobebi ar Seasrula.<br />
_ riT gamoixateba pirobebis<br />
Seusrulebloba?<br />
_ moqalaqem 2012 wlis 25 maiss<br />
auqcionze SeZenili qoneba im<br />
pirobiT, rom am miwis nakveTze<br />
komerciuli obieqti unda aeSenebina,<br />
mSeneblobis nebarTvis misaRebad<br />
rusTavis merias 2013 wels<br />
mimarTa. mas jer kidev erTi weli<br />
hqonda darCenili imisTvis, rom<br />
mSenebloba SeZenili qonebis xelSekrulebis<br />
valdebulebidan gamomidnare<br />
ganexorcielebina. Semdgom<br />
moxda ise, rom meriam mSeneblobis<br />
nebarTva ukve aRar misca.<br />
e. i. moqalaqem miwis nakveTi im<br />
pirobiT da valdebulebiT SeiZina,<br />
rom masze Senoba-nageboba ae-<br />
Senebina. Semdgom, rodesac SeiZina<br />
da am miwis nakveTze Tanxa gadaixada,<br />
meria uars ambobs msgavsi tipis<br />
nakveTze mSeneblobis ganxorcielebaze.<br />
auqcionze gayiduli<br />
iyo 3 miwis nakveTi da Semsyidvelebi<br />
gaxlavT eliaSvili, nozaZe da<br />
bluaSvili. bluaSvilma miwa gigaurze<br />
gayida, romlis interesebsac<br />
vicav. am yvela mewarmes erTi<br />
da igive problema aqvs. arc erTi<br />
maTganis moTxovna, rom ganexorcielebinaT<br />
mSenebloba am miwis<br />
nakveTze, meriam ar daakmayofila<br />
da erTi mizezi, rac daasaxeles,<br />
iyo qalaqis iersaxis SenarCunebis<br />
mizniT, mimdebare korpusebisa da<br />
sazogadoebrivi interesebis gaTvaliswinebiT,<br />
TiTqos mizanSeuwoneli<br />
iyo rusTavSi am teritoriaze<br />
rame tipis mSenebloba. ismis<br />
kiTxvebi, _ ratom ar Seiswavla meriam<br />
winaswar es sakiTxebi? ratom<br />
gaitana auqcionze, an Tu gaitana<br />
da Seiswavla, ratom gadaTqva misi<br />
pirobebi? da, saerTodac, rad undaT<br />
am adamianebs es miwis nakveTebi,<br />
Tuki masze raime mSenebloba<br />
ar ganaxorcieles da ar isargebles<br />
maT sakuTrebaSi arsebuli<br />
qonebiT?! warmoidgineT, mesakuTreebi<br />
am qonebiT iseve sargebloben,<br />
rogorc me da Tqven, miwis<br />
nakveTebi Tavisufal mdgomareobaSia,<br />
arc SemoRobilia, arc Senoba-nagebobaa,<br />
sargebloben mesame<br />
pirebi da am adgils gzad<br />
iyeneben. e. i. mesaku-<br />
Treebs am miwebTan<br />
dakavSirebiT aranairi<br />
uflebebi aRar gaaCniaT.<br />
meriis es mokle<br />
pasuxi, rom uars<br />
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rusTavis meriis<br />
mier motyuebuli<br />
moqalaqeebi da<br />
zarali, romlis<br />
daTvlac<br />
SeuZlebelia!<br />
daviT jiqia<br />
ambobs mSeneblobaze, vfiqrob,<br />
sruliad dausabuTebelia. saqme is<br />
aris, rom im periodSi, rodesac es<br />
mewarmeebi merias mSeneblobis<br />
nebarTvis misaRebad mimarTavdnen,<br />
mimdebare teritoriaze mSeneblobis<br />
nebarTva imgvarad gaica, rom<br />
am mewarmeTa interesebi ar gaiTvaliswina.<br />
e. i. am tipis miwaze raime<br />
mSeneblobis ganxorcieleba xels<br />
SeuSlis im mewarmeebs, romelTac<br />
meriam adre misca mSeneblobis<br />
nebarTva da komerciuli obieqtebi<br />
aaSenes. Cvens SemTxvevaSi ori<br />
moqalaqea, romelsac mimdebare<br />
teritoriaze komerciuli obieqti<br />
aqvs aSenebuli, Tumca Cemi marwmuneblis<br />
kuTvnil miwasTan araviTar<br />
SemxeblobaSi ar aris, magram, Tu<br />
batoni gigauri am miwis nakveTze<br />
raime tipis komerciul obieqts<br />
aaSenebs, es Camoefareba maT kuTvnil<br />
obieqtebs da aqedan gamomdinare,<br />
merias ar surs, rom im<br />
pirebisgan miiRos pretenziebi,<br />
romelTac soliduri xarjebi<br />
gaiRes da komerciuli obieqtebi<br />
aaSenes. am faqtebma moqalaqeebSi<br />
didi dapirispireba gamoiwvia. batonma<br />
gigaurma meriidan mSeneblobis<br />
nebarTvis gacemaze pirveli<br />
uari 2013 wels miiRo. sasamarTloSi<br />
gavasaCivreT da meriis uari<br />
mSeneblobis nebarTvis gacemis<br />
Taobaze baTilad cno. saqme meriaSi<br />
im valdebulebiT daabruna,<br />
rom kargad ganexilaT, SeeswavlaT<br />
da gadawyvetileba ise mieRoT.<br />
2015 wels es saqme kvlav dabrunda<br />
rusTavis meriaSi, kvlav daiwyo<br />
administraciuli warmoeba da<br />
raoden gasakviric ar unda iyos,<br />
am moTxovnis dakmayofilebaze<br />
kidev uari gviTxra. mizezi igivea<br />
da absoluturad ar aris SesabamisobaSi<br />
im valdebulebebTan,<br />
romelic, Tavis droze, meriam gasca.<br />
_ ratom iqceva meria ase?<br />
_ meria ver acnobierebs pasuxismgeblobas<br />
mis mier gacemuli<br />
aqtebis mimarT. is moqalaqeebs<br />
dahpirda, Tu mewarme pirobebs Seasrulebda,<br />
valdebuli iyvnen, xeli<br />
SeewyoT da moqalaqes is valdebulebebi<br />
Seesrulebina, rac meriam<br />
auqcionis pirobebSi Caudo. kazusia,<br />
rodesac moqalaqes, erTi<br />
mxriv, avaldebuleb, rom aaSenos<br />
da meore mxriv, ar aZlev mSeneblobis<br />
nebarTvas. rogor ggoniaT, ra<br />
unda moxdes, Tuki ar aaSenebs da<br />
im pirobas daarRvevs Cemi marwmunebeli,<br />
rac auqcionis aqtSi iyo<br />
miTiTebuli? am SemTxvevaSi administraciul<br />
organos sruli uflebebi<br />
eqneba, gaauqmos auqcionis<br />
Sedegebi da saxelmwifos qoneba<br />
ise daubrunos. am moqalaqeebis<br />
braleuloba, faqtobrivad, araferSia.<br />
davis sagani is ki ar gaxda,<br />
rom konkretuli samSeneblo obieqti<br />
ar moswonda merias, aramed<br />
is, rom am teritoriaze saerTod<br />
ar unda aSenebulyo. saocaria:<br />
erTi _ meria ar asrulebs pirobas!<br />
meorec _ ar asrulebs sasamarTlos<br />
gadawyvetilebas!<br />
sasamarTlom baTilad<br />
cno maT mier gamocemuli<br />
aqti mSeneblobis<br />
nebarTvis uaris Sesaxeb.<br />
sasamarTlo ver<br />
gascemda mSeneblobis<br />
nebarTvas da amitom merias daavala,<br />
rom es sakiTxi ganexila da<br />
Sesabamisi aqtebi gaeca. meriam kvlav<br />
daiwyo administraciuli warmoeba<br />
da igive motivaciiT gasca<br />
uari moqalaqeze. rusTavis meria<br />
ramdenime wreze trialebs, moqalaqeebs<br />
atyuebs. sasamarTloSi<br />
iCivleben, moigeben procesebs,<br />
dabrundeba meriaSi gansaxilvelad<br />
da igive gadawyvetilebebs iReben.<br />
es aris sasamarTlos gadawyvetilebis<br />
upativcemuloba. merias miaCnia,<br />
rom yvelaze maRla mdgomi<br />
organoa da sasamarTlos gadawyvetilebas<br />
misTvis aranairi mniSvneloba<br />
ar aqvs. administraciuli<br />
aqti uaris Taobaze sasamarTloSi<br />
kvlav gavasaCivreT, kvlav mimdinareobs<br />
procesebi, Tumca ismis<br />
kiTxva, _ procesi romc movigoT<br />
(da, didi albaTobiT, movigebT, vinaidan<br />
Cemi mxare keTilsindisieri<br />
SemZenia, mas ar daurRvevia aranairi<br />
piroba, rac administraciulma<br />
organom daudo, amdenad, sasamarTlom<br />
es unda gaiTvaliswinos),<br />
imis saSiSroebaa, rom meria isev ar<br />
aRasrulebs sasamarTlos gadawyvetilebas<br />
da kvlav uars ityvis<br />
mSeneblobis nebarTvis gacemaze.<br />
amdenad, moqalaqeebs ara marto<br />
ise azaralebs, rom konkretuli<br />
sazRauri gadaixadon miwis SeZena-<br />
Si, winaswar atyuebs, TiTqos, is<br />
SesaZleblobas miscems, am miwis nakveTze<br />
rame saxis komerciuli<br />
obieqti aaSenos. sxva SemTxvevaSi,<br />
vin SeiZens miwis nakveTs, Tu misi<br />
gamoyenebis SesaZlebloba ar eqneba?!<br />
moqalaqeebs atyueben da Semdeg<br />
am saqcielidan gamomdinare,<br />
pasuxsac ar ageben, vinaidan is aris<br />
arCeviTi organo da ar hyavs zedamxedveli<br />
piri, romelic mis moqmedebebs<br />
gaakontrolebs. amitom<br />
mers aqvs erTi pozicia _ sadac<br />
gindaT, iq iCivleT! moqalaqe administraciul<br />
aqts gaasaCivrebs<br />
da sasamarTlos moigebs, is ki<br />
mainc ar gascems Sesabamis aqtebs<br />
da arc pasuxs agebs. dava dResac<br />
grZeldeba, romelic 2013 wels<br />
daiwyo da rogorc zemoT mogaxseneT,<br />
sasamarTloSi sami intanciis<br />
gavlis Semdeg meore wreze<br />
mivdivarT. igive qmedeba kerZo<br />
pirs rom ganexorcielebina, sisxlis<br />
samarTlebriv pasuxisgebaSi<br />
miecemoda. meriis qmdebaSi dana-<br />
Saulis niSnebi ikveTeba. sxvaTa<br />
Soris, maT kidev erTi pasuxi aqvT,<br />
_ Tu meriis mier gacemuli aqtiT<br />
vinme dazaraldeba, isini materialurad<br />
ageben pasuxs moqalaqeebis<br />
winaSe. visi TanxebiT cdilobs<br />
meria am zianis anazRaurebas?! moqalaqeebis<br />
mier gadaxdili gadasaxadebiT<br />
Sedgenili biujetidan<br />
undaT aanazRauros is ziani, romelic<br />
maTi mcdari gadawyvetilebiT<br />
miadga moqalaqeebs?! ra<br />
daiTvlis im zians, romelsac moqalaqeebi<br />
wlebis manZilze ganicdian<br />
da saerTod, aanazRaurebs<br />
zians, im dros, roca isic ki ar<br />
aanazRaura, rac werilobiT gansazRvrul<br />
pirobaSi iyo Cadebuli?!<br />
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bi yovelTvis aisaxeboda Cveni<br />
qveynis sazogadoebriv Tu politikur<br />
cxovrebaze. ama wlis aprilis dasawyisSi TeseuSi situacia<br />
imdenad ukontrolo gaxda, rom met-naklebad Cawynarebu-<br />
li viTarebis Semdgom reqtorma dakavebuli Tanamdeboba mainc<br />
datova. amis miuxedavad, calkeul jgufebs Soris situacia<br />
kvlavac daZabuli rCeba... risTvis ibrZvian da ras ver iyofen<br />
codnis taZarSi? ra bataliebia axalgazrdebs Soris? iSleba<br />
Tu ara cnobili studenturi moZraoba „auditoria 115"?<br />
aucilebeli ganmarteba: „qronika+”-s<br />
daukavSirda moqalaqe, romelmac<br />
Cvengan anonimurobis garantia<br />
iTxova, ris Semdegac studenturi<br />
moZraoba „auditoria 115"-is<br />
SigniT arsebul mwvave dapirispirebaze<br />
informacia mogvawoda.<br />
misi mtkicebiT, „auditoriis” gafarToebuli<br />
Sexvedrisas sxvadasxva<br />
jgufi erTmaneTs daupirispirda:<br />
„sandro cagareli brals<br />
sdebda auditoriis wevrebs _ giorgi<br />
arobeliZesa da naTia qarCilaZes<br />
TviTmmarTvelobasTan farul<br />
komunikaciaSi da moZraobis<br />
principebis RalatSi. am orma pirovnebam<br />
daadastura aseTi Sexvedrebis<br />
Sesaxeb, Tumca cagarelsa<br />
da erT jgufs kontbraldebad<br />
wauyenes, rom isini farulad TanamSromlobdnen<br />
xelisuflebasTan<br />
da ganaTlebis saministrosTan.<br />
aRniSnul Sexvedraze ar imyofeboda<br />
levan lorTqifaniZe, samagierod<br />
erTmaneTis mimarT agresiiT<br />
gamoirCeodnen sandro cagareli<br />
da irakli kupraZe. aseT viTareba-<br />
Si „auditoria” araerTma wevrma<br />
datova, rasac didi xmauri mohyva.<br />
Sexvedraze mravlad iyo faruli<br />
Canawerebis, piradi saubrebisa da<br />
e. w. sqrinSotebis warmodgena,<br />
rogorc kompromatebis”.<br />
„qronika+” viTarebaSi garkve-<br />
vas Seecada da pirvelad cnobil<br />
aqtivists _ sandro cagarels<br />
daukavSirda:<br />
_ 2011 wels, TanamoazreebTan<br />
erTad, „laboratoria 1918" davafuZne.<br />
am organizaciaSi, ZiriTadad,<br />
Teseus studentebi viyaviT gaer-<br />
Tianebuli. Tavdapirvelad aqtiurad<br />
vupirispirdebodiT TviTmmarTvelobas,<br />
Tumca maleve gadavwyviteT,<br />
rom „nacionalebis” mmarTvelobis<br />
winaaRmdegac gagvela-<br />
Sqra. erT-erTi pirvelebi viyaviT,<br />
romlebmac 26 maisis diliTve davgmeT<br />
im saSineli darbevis Sedegebi,<br />
aseve vaprotestebdiT Zalovani<br />
uwyebebis Zaladobis faqtebs, gavmarTeT<br />
aqcia ioseb qimeriZis tragikulad<br />
daRupvis Taobaze, romelic<br />
xaSuris policiis SenobaSi<br />
moxda. Cven uSualod SemTxvevis<br />
adgilebze gavdiodiT da xmamaRla<br />
vsaubrobdiT xelisuflebis Secdomebze<br />
_ 2012 wlamdec da Semdegac.<br />
_ ramdenad koordinebulad<br />
moqmedebdiT opoziciaSi myof<br />
koaliciasTan? da ra kavSirebi<br />
gaqvT „qarTul ocnebasTan”<br />
dRes?<br />
_ 2012 wlis seqtemberSi, mas<br />
Semdeg, rac cixis cnobili kadrebi<br />
gamoqveynda, Cveni organizacia<br />
studenturi protestis avangard-<br />
Si Cadga. samwuxarod, zogierTi<br />
Tanatolisgan dRemde mesmis upasuxismgeblo<br />
gancxadebebi, TiTqosda<br />
am aqciebSi maTi wvlili didi<br />
iyo, zogi organizatorobas ibralebs,<br />
zogic axalgazrdebis didi<br />
masis gamoyvanas, arada, yvela dagidasturebT,<br />
rom am aqciebSi Cveni<br />
wvlili sakmaod didi iyo. dRes<br />
ukve Tanamdebobebze wamoskupebuli<br />
pirebi studentur protests<br />
saTavisod iweren. rac Seexeba<br />
kiTxvaze konkretul pasuxs: erTaderTi<br />
komunikacia, rac im period-<br />
Si Sedga Cemsa da „ocnebas” Soris,<br />
es iyo axalgazrdulTan koordinacia,<br />
kerZod _ cotne zurabian-<br />
Tan: koncertze romlis devizi iyo<br />
„sistema unda daingres” Cven viqiraveT<br />
aparatura, Tumca bolo<br />
wuTs aparaturis mflobelebma am<br />
RonisZiebis farglebSi Cveni momsaxureba<br />
gadaifiqres da teqnikis<br />
gareSe davrCiT, ris gamoc „jidiess”<br />
TxovniT mivmarTeT da maT<br />
es teqnika gamogviyves. sruli pasuxismgeblobiT<br />
vacxadeb: piradad<br />
me aranairi finansuri valdebulebebi<br />
ar mqonia arc opoziciaSi<br />
myof `meocnebeebTan” da arc axla.<br />
_ ras aprotestebdiT mas mere,<br />
rac xelisuflebis saTaveSi iva-<br />
niSvilis gundi movida?<br />
_ Cveni ideologiidan gamomdinare,<br />
ZiriTad aqcents vakeTebdiT<br />
mSromelTa uflebebze da<br />
socialur problemebze. me var<br />
memarcxene social-demokratiuli<br />
ideebis matarebeli, rogorc<br />
mTlianad „laboratoria 1918".<br />
Cvens gundSi zogierTi radikali<br />
memarcxenec ki iyo. 2010 wlidan<br />
var social-demokratiuli partiis<br />
aqtiuri mxardamWeri.<br />
_ anu intervius vwerT so-<br />
cial-demokratebis wevrTan?<br />
_ ara mxolod, Tumca me ar var<br />
maRalCinosani, ar var saxelmwifo<br />
uwyebis warmomadgeneli da arc<br />
raime mimarTuleba mabaria partia-<br />
Si. sxvebisgan gansxvavebiT Cum-Cumad<br />
ar vstumrob partiebs konspiraciul<br />
formatSi. Cemi studenturi<br />
aqtivobebi, _ „laboratoriisa”<br />
Tu „auditoria 115"-is farglebSi,<br />
yovelTvis gamijnuli<br />
mqonda partiuli davalebebisgan.<br />
_ saprotesto aqciebze Tqven<br />
araerTxel daukavebixarT samar-<br />
Taldamcvelebs. ratom gapatim-<br />
rebdnen?<br />
_ pirvelad damakaves 2012 wlis<br />
24 seqtembers universitetis mimdebare<br />
teritoriaze; meored _<br />
2013 wlis pirvel maiss.<br />
_ Tqveni Tanamoazreebi agre-<br />
siulad iqceodnen, kerZo obi-<br />
eqtebs sxvadasxva Sinaarsis saprotesto<br />
teqstebs awerdnen, Se-<br />
nobebis fasadebze varskvlavebs<br />
axatavdiT. Tqveni qmedeba xelisu-<br />
flebam xulignobad Seafasa...<br />
_ radikaluri protesti mTel<br />
ganviTarebul samyaroSi miRebuli<br />
formaa, Cven sanagve urnebi ar<br />
gadagvitrialebia da qalaqi cecxlis<br />
alSi ar gagvixvevia.<br />
_ rogor ganviTarda movlenebi<br />
pirveli maisis xmauriani aqci-<br />
is Semdeg?<br />
_ 2013 wlis pirveli maisis Semdeg<br />
„laboratoria 1918" maleve<br />
daiSala. Cven maSin samomavlo gegmebze<br />
ver CamovyalibdiT da saganmanaTleblo<br />
proeqtebze gadaverTeT,<br />
vawyobdiT leqciebs da<br />
konferenciebs. me erT-erTi pirveli<br />
var, romelmac lado papavas<br />
mmarTveloba gavaproteste, es iyo<br />
iqamde, sanam „auditoria 115"<br />
iarsebebda.<br />
_ rogor da ra mizniT Seiqmna<br />
es organizacia?<br />
_ 2016 wlis 5 marts „kavkasiur<br />
saxlSi” ramdenime Tanatols vTxove,<br />
rom Semxvedrodnen, maT<br />
Soris, levan lorTqifaniZes, irakli<br />
kupraZes, Tornike CivaZes da<br />
sxva aqtiur studentebs. im droisTvis<br />
mwvaved idga sakiTxi kancleris<br />
arCevnebTan dakavSirebiT.<br />
Cven kritikuli damokidebuleba<br />
gvqonda papavas mmarTvelobis<br />
stilTan da iq miviReT gadawyvetileba,<br />
organizebuli protesti<br />
dagvewyo, vinaidan mowinaaRmdege<br />
mxare mZlavr sainformacio, finansur<br />
da sxva resursebs flobda.<br />
_ wlevandel gazafxuls Tqveni<br />
organizaciis mier gamarTul-<br />
ma aqciebma univeristets gareTac<br />
hpova gamoZaxili, xmauriani<br />
aqciebis Semdeg rogor Seafaseb-<br />
diT Tqvensave poziciebs, _ mizans<br />
miaRwieT?<br />
_ nawilobriv mivaRwieT, Temis<br />
mimarT sazogadoebaSi interesi<br />
gavaCineT. Cveni poziciebiT araerT<br />
saxelmwifo uwyebaSi dainteresdnen.<br />
reqtori gadadga.<br />
_ kidev erTxel rom daafiqsiroT:<br />
Teseus mmarTvel organoebSi<br />
vis da ratom upirispird-<br />
ebodiT vladimer papavas garda?<br />
_ vupirispirdebodiT administraciis<br />
xelmZRvanelobas da studentur<br />
TviTmmarTvelobas, romelic<br />
privilegirebul klasad Camoyalibda:<br />
studentebisTvis gamoyofil<br />
TanxebTan wvdoma hqondaT<br />
mxolod am organizaciis wevrebs,<br />
isini TviTneburad gankargavdnen<br />
Tanxebs, studentebis didi nawilisTvis<br />
naklebad saintereso Temebze<br />
atarebdnen RonisZiebebs. maT<br />
ar hqondaT im masStabis mxardaWera,<br />
ra poziciebsac ikavebdnen saswavlebelSi.<br />
isini waxalisebuli<br />
iyvnen universitetis SigniT arsebuli<br />
mmarTveli elitis mier.<br />
TviTmmarTvelobis prezidenti<br />
Salva sabauri, romelic erTi Tvis<br />
winaT vadis amowurvis Semdeg gadadga,<br />
koba nayofias Stabis wevri<br />
iyo, risi fotomasalac arsebobs.<br />
wlebis ganmavlobaSi raRac tradiciad<br />
Camoyalibda, _ TviTmmarTvelobis<br />
yofili Sefebi mTavrobis<br />
dasayrdenebi iyvnen, isini Teseudan<br />
pirdapir saministroebSi inacvlebdnen<br />
maRal poziciebze _ es<br />
praqtika iyo, anu maT universitetSi<br />
muSaoba imisTvis ki ar sWirdebodaT,<br />
rom TeseuSi rame gaekeTebinaT,<br />
aramed imisTvis, rom<br />
TavianTi karieristuli gegmebi<br />
ganexorcielebinaT.<br />
_ am tipis braldebebi SeiZleba<br />
Tqvenc Semogitrialon da Jor-<br />
JolianTan kavSirebi gagaxsenon...<br />
_ me ar vikaveb oficialur Tanamdebobas<br />
TeseuSi da arc partia-<br />
Si. simpaTiebi maqvs im politikuri<br />
jgufis mimarT, romelic gansxvavdeba<br />
damnaSave „nacionaluri<br />
moZraobisgan”. universitetSi odeerebis<br />
arsebobaze xmamaRla ganvacxade,<br />
ris Semdegac erT-erTma<br />
maTganma, iva kavsaZem, Tanamdeboba<br />
datova, meore _ irakli xarjevaniZe<br />
_ igive „galCi”, kvlav inar-<br />
Cunebs Tanamdebobas.<br />
_ ra xdeba dRes „auditoria<br />
115"-is Tavs?<br />
_ gulwrfelad getyviT: am<br />
etapze aRniSnul Temaze saubari<br />
namdvilad ar msurda. ar ganvekuTvnebi<br />
im adamianTa kategorias,<br />
romlebic piradi wyenebiT xelmZ-<br />
Rvaneloben da karis gamojaxunebis<br />
Semdeg yofil Tanagundelebs<br />
afurTxeben; mediis warmomadgenlebs<br />
ki, vinaidan Tqven garkveuli<br />
informacia gaqvT da interviuze<br />
dagTanxmdiT, ver mogatyuebT.<br />
dRes „auditoria 115" ramdenime<br />
nawilad daiSala: iq aris „mwvane<br />
muSti”, sxva organizaciebi, yvelas<br />
Tavisi interesi amoZravebs, ris<br />
gamoc „auditoria” davtove, Tumca<br />
es erTeuli SemTxveva ar aris<br />
_ organizacia daSlis pirasaa.<br />
_ ufro konkretulad rom<br />
gviTxraT, „auditoria 115" daiS-<br />
ala Tu gaiSala?<br />
_ veWvob, mcire jgufi kvlav<br />
gamoiyenebs „auditoriis” saxels,<br />
28<br />
`TviTmmarTvelobis prezidenti Salva<br />
sabauri, romelic erTi Tvis winaT vadis<br />
amowurvis Semdeg gadadga, koba nayofias<br />
Stabis wevri iyo, risi fotomasalac<br />
arsebobs. wlebis ganmavlobaSi raRac<br />
tradiciad Camoyalibda, - TviTmmarTvelobis<br />
yofili Sefebi mTavrobis dasayrdenebi iyvnen,<br />
isini Teseudan pirdapir saministroebSi<br />
inacvlebdnen maRal poziciebze - es praqtika<br />
iyo, anu maT universitetSi muSaoba imisTvis<br />
ki ar sWirdebodaT, rom TeseuSi rame<br />
gaekeTebinaT, aramed imisTvis, rom TavianTi<br />
karieristuli gegmebi ganexorcielebinaT~<br />
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moZraoba `auditoria 115~?<br />
Tumca es im erTobas, ideas aRar<br />
warmoadgens, rac dasawyisSi yvelas<br />
erTad gvqonda deklarirebuli.<br />
_ Cvenma wyarom gviTxra, rom<br />
sandro cagareli brals sdebda<br />
auditoriis wevrebs giorgi aro-<br />
beliZesa da mis megobrebs TviT-<br />
mmarTvelobasTan farul komuni-<br />
kaciaSio... Tavis mxriv, maTac hqoniaT<br />
pretenziebi TqvenTan mima-<br />
rTebiT...<br />
_ adamianebi, romlebic Cveni<br />
gundis wevrebi megona, mowinaaRmdege<br />
banakTan farul komunikacia-<br />
Si yofilan. ratom Sexvdnen malulad<br />
maT? informaciebi gacvales?<br />
aRmoCnda, rom giorgi arobeliZe,<br />
ana kamlaZe da sxvebi farulad<br />
xvdebodnen im adamians, romelTanac<br />
dapirispirebuli viyaviT.<br />
CemTvis gaugebaria, risTvis Sei-<br />
Zleba Sedges or aseT dapirispirebul<br />
mxares Soris Sexvedra? albaT,<br />
piradi poziciebi gaimyares.<br />
_ anu Tanagundelebi RalatSi<br />
amxileT?<br />
_ Tavidan am Temis wamowevas ar<br />
vapirebdi, ar mindoda, Cveni erToba<br />
da miznebi dagvezianebina, magram<br />
Semdeg is jgufi, romelic<br />
ukve kuluarulad mipirispirdeboda,<br />
Cems Sav piarze gadavida,<br />
xanac WorebiT, xanac faruli<br />
saubrebiT. isini araerT adamians<br />
aqezebdnen Cem winaaRmdeg. sxvaTa<br />
Soris, TviTmmarTvelobasa da „auditoria<br />
115"-is wevrebs Soris arsebuli<br />
faruli Sexvedrebi Cemgan<br />
damoukideblad gasajarovda, ukve<br />
imdeni adamiani gaaRizianes, rom<br />
sxvebmac gadawyvites maT Secdomebze<br />
saubari. bunebrivia, am yvelafris<br />
Semdeg maT pasuxi movTxove<br />
aseTi saqcielis gamo.<br />
_ urTierToba levan lorTqi-<br />
faniZesTanac dageZabaT? Tu am<br />
informacias daadasturebT, Seg-<br />
iZliaT gviTxraT, ris gamo moxda<br />
ganxeTqileba Tqven Soris?<br />
_ me ar minda, es viTareba pirovnuli<br />
konklaobis doneze daviyvano<br />
da ideologiur SeuTavseblobas<br />
pirovnuli Wrili mivce,<br />
Tumca faqti faqtad rCeba: auditoriis<br />
garkveuli nawili gulwrfeli<br />
namdvilad ar aRmoCnda sakuTar<br />
principebTan.<br />
_ imave wyaros mtkicebiT, le-<br />
van lorTqifaniZe, Turme, brals<br />
gdebT JorJolianTan kavSirebSi,<br />
rogor upasuxeT am braldebas?<br />
_ aq sakiTxi erTi pirovnebis,<br />
lorTqifaniZis doneze ar dgas,<br />
Tumca, Cemda samwuxarod, manac<br />
gamoiSvira TiTi Cemi misamarTiT<br />
da sakmaod usafuZvlod. arasdros<br />
damimalavs JorJolianTan urTierToba<br />
da es aqac aRvniSne, man<br />
brali damdo kolaboraciaSi.<br />
rogor SeiZleba, samTavrobo wreebTan<br />
viyo Sekruli, Tuki pirvelma<br />
gavaproteste sus-is Careva universitetSi?<br />
ganaTlebisa da mecnierebis<br />
saministro mraval tyuilSi<br />
vamxile, anu xelisufleba Tu<br />
mmarTavs, amas ratom akeTebs, maTive<br />
Secdomebi rom warmovaCino?!<br />
_ amdeni adamiani ase organi-<br />
zebulad gwamebT cils?<br />
_ verc erTxel movismine<br />
konkretuli faqti, Tu rodis<br />
Seviyvane „auditoria 115" SecdomaSi.<br />
axla papava aRar aris reqtori,<br />
romlis mxardamWeric, Riad<br />
Tu farulad, lorTqifaniZis<br />
jgufi iyo. miuxedavad maTi axlo<br />
urTierTobisa yofil reqtorTan,<br />
ar minda davuSva, rom maT daijeres<br />
im werilis Sinaarsi, sadac<br />
papava irakli kupraZes da levan<br />
lorTqifaniZes swerda, rom me<br />
sus-is agenti viyavi da Cemi ndoba<br />
ar SeiZleboda...<br />
_ Tu reqtors da lorTqi-<br />
faniZes saidumlo mimowerebi<br />
hqondaT, maSin ratom yviroda<br />
TeseuSi levan lorTqifaniZe pa-<br />
pavas winaaRmdeg?<br />
_ sajarod SedarebiT radikalur<br />
poziciebs afiqsirebdnen, Tumca<br />
realoba sxva iyo. sanam „auditoria”<br />
Seiqmneboda, manac icoda<br />
Cemi urTierTobebis Sesaxeb papavasTan,<br />
mec vicodi misi damokidebulebebi<br />
reqtoris mimarT,<br />
Tumca mjeroda, rom ufro gulwrfelebi<br />
iqnebodnen. ar mCvevia<br />
pirdapir TiTis gaSvera usafuZvlod,<br />
ar mCvevia cilismwamebluri<br />
teqstebi, Sesabamisad, eWvis doneze<br />
vityvi: aSkaraa, rom levan lorTqifaniZes<br />
kavSiri aqvs eqspert<br />
gia xuxaSvilTan. am or adamians<br />
2011 wlidan aqvs urTierToba da<br />
Tu Cemi kavSirebi eWvebs aCens vinmesTvis,<br />
maSin legitimuria, eWvi<br />
gaCndes mis kavSirebzec. batoni gia<br />
xuxaSvili aris prezidentis, paata<br />
burWulaZis, alasaniasa da sxva<br />
jgufebis orbitaze.<br />
_ am yvelafris Semdeg, albaT,<br />
Tqvens kavSirebzec alaparakd-<br />
nen...<br />
_ ki, damiyares aseTi Worebi,<br />
rom TiTqos giga bokerias marTuli<br />
var. pirdapir getyviT, aseTi<br />
mdare Worebi ioseb gogaSvilisa<br />
da kampaniis gavrcelebulia, maT<br />
logikurTan axlos mdgari dezinformaciebis<br />
SeTxzvac ar SeuZliaT,<br />
gavrcelebis meTodebze rom<br />
araferi vTqvaT.<br />
_ ras apirebT?<br />
_ me „auditoriis” wevrebs movuwode,<br />
rom TavianTi jgufebi<br />
Seqmnan da aqtivobebi gaagrZelon.<br />
aucilebelia, saxelmwifo vaiZuloT,<br />
Zireuli reformebi gaataros<br />
saganmanaTleblo sistemaSi.<br />
piradi garCevebis dro aRaraa.<br />
_ samomavlod iTanamSromlebT<br />
lorTqifaniZesTan, an amJamad<br />
dapirispirebul sxva jgufebTan?<br />
_ im Worebisa da braldebebis<br />
Semdeg SeuZlebelia Zveleburad<br />
TanamSromloba, Tumca im miznebisken,<br />
sadac SeiZleba gadavikveToT<br />
N23(154) 28.6-4.7.2016 w.<br />
me da levani, saqmes pirad wyenebs<br />
ar gadavayoleb.<br />
„qronika+” levan lorTqi-<br />
faniZes daukavSirda:<br />
_ levan, ra dapirispireba mox-<br />
da Tqvensa da sandro cagarels<br />
Soris?<br />
_ Cven sxvadasxva azrze vdgavarT.<br />
igi am xelisuflebis momxre<br />
partiis wevria, me ki opoziciurad<br />
ganwyobili upartio aqtivisti<br />
var. Sesabamisad, sxvadasxva azri<br />
gvaqvs rig sakiTxebze. aravis<br />
araferSi ar vadanaSauleb.<br />
_ iyo Tu ara „audirotia 115"-<br />
Si e. w. klanuri dapirispireba?<br />
sandro cagarelTan ar gikamaTi-<br />
aT?<br />
_ ar vici, me masTan arc erT<br />
Temaze ar miCxubia, amas winaT Cemi<br />
bebiis gasvenebaSic iyo... mec, sandrosac<br />
da aTobiT sxva adamiansac<br />
gansxvavebuli azrebi gvaqvs da xSirad<br />
vkamaTobT xolme auditoria-<br />
Si. am wuTasac uamravi Sida jgufia,<br />
zogi memarcxene, zogi memarjvene,<br />
zogi iliauneli, zogi Tesueli,<br />
zogi socialuri mecnierebidan,<br />
maT Soris mwvave diskusia Cveuli<br />
formaa. „auditoria 115" Zalian<br />
hgavs did saTaTbiros, sadac yvela<br />
jgufia warmodgenili.<br />
_ cagareli gamoTqvams<br />
varauds, rom Tqven gia xuxaSvi-<br />
lis mier imarTebiT...<br />
_ gia xuxaSvils vicnob, pativs<br />
vcem, rogorc saintereso adamians.<br />
masTan molaparakebebs aranair sakiTxTan<br />
ar vawarmoeb da arc maxsovs,<br />
bolos rodis vnaxe.<br />
_ amJamad sad xedavT yvelaze<br />
did problemas TeseuSi? da aqve,<br />
_ vladimer papavas gadadgomis<br />
Semdeg ra procesebi viTardeba<br />
universitetSi?<br />
_ Tsu uamravi problemis winaSe<br />
dgas. faqtobrivad, araferi Secvlila,<br />
mxolod revanSisgan davicaviT<br />
Tsu, isic droebiT! dRes<br />
umTavresi sakiTxia, kanonSi umaRlesi<br />
ganaTlebis Sesaxeb 45-e muxlis<br />
gauqmeba, rac TviTmmarTvelobis<br />
biurokratiul struqturebs<br />
gaauqmebs. aseve umniSvnelovanesia<br />
ganaTlebis xarisxis<br />
problemaze msjeloba, gare referirebis<br />
meqanizmis danergva. orive<br />
am gadawyvetilebisgan saxelmwifo,<br />
jerjerobiT, Tavs ikavebs, rac<br />
situacias ar cvlis.<br />
_ konkretulad rom gvipasux-<br />
oT: sandro cagareli wavida Tu<br />
gauSviT?<br />
_ „auditoriidan” wasvla ras<br />
niSnavs? baraTi daxia Tu ra? darwmunebuli<br />
var, rom roca saWiro<br />
iqneba, yvela ukan dabrundeba.<br />
_ levan, vin dgas Tqven ukan?<br />
_ momsaxurebis sferoSi<br />
dasaqmebuli adamianebi, statusSe-<br />
Cerebuli da saerTo sacxovrebels<br />
miRma darCenili studentebi<br />
da a.S. Cven xelisuflebis partiuli<br />
oponentebi ar varT, magram<br />
`eWvis doneze vityvi: aSkaraa, rom levan lorTqifaniZes kavSiri aqvs eqspert<br />
gia xuxaSvilTan. am or adamians 2011 wlidan aqvs urTierToba da Tu Cemi<br />
kavSirebi eWvebs aCens vinmesTvis, maSin legitimuria, eWvi gaCndes mis<br />
kavSirebzec. batoni gia xuxaSvili aris prezidentis, paata burWulaZis,<br />
alasaniasa da sxva jgufebis orbitaze~<br />
bunebrivia, mas saganmanaTleblo<br />
da sxva politikuri kursebis xaziT<br />
vakritikebT. isini neoliberalebi<br />
arian, Cven _ memarcxeneebi.<br />
„qronika+~ jgufis erT-erT<br />
gamijnul wevrs, vefxia manias gae-<br />
saubra:<br />
_ jer ar damitovebia, Tumca,<br />
savaraudod, male davtoveb. es<br />
dapirispireba personalur doneze<br />
ar damyavs. viRacebi cdiloben,<br />
rom piradze daiyvanon.<br />
_ ris gamo apirebT wamosvlas?<br />
_ dasawyisidanve CaverTeT,<br />
rogorc progresuli Zala,<br />
romelsac potenciali hqonda, ganaTlebis<br />
Zireuli sakiTxebi dRis<br />
wesrigSi wamoewia, magram amdeni<br />
muSaobis miuxedavad „auditoria<br />
115"-ma ver gansazRvra mTavari<br />
orientirebi.<br />
_ rogor xedavT momavalSi<br />
Tqvens urTierTobas „auditori-<br />
asTan”?<br />
_ albaT, muSaobis procesi gansazRvravs<br />
da dro, Cven vcdilobdiT,<br />
rom moTxovnebi prioritetebis<br />
mixedviT dalagebuliyo, fundamenturi<br />
problema gacnobierebuliyo.<br />
_ ra gaxda gadinebis mizezi?<br />
_ didi Zalisxmeva ixarjeboda<br />
piradi urTierTobebis garCevebze.<br />
oRondac ar vici, wyaro saidan<br />
iyo.<br />
„qronika+” meore mxares, gior-<br />
gi arobeliZes daukavSirda:<br />
_ „qronika+” masalas amzadebs<br />
sandro cagarelsa da Tqven Soris<br />
momxdar dapirispirebaze. „audi-<br />
toria 115" daSlis pirasaa?<br />
_ ukacravad, magram Worao-<br />
bisTvis namdvilad ar mcalia. arc<br />
„auditoria” iSleba da arc raime<br />
gansakuTurebuli xdeba, rom es<br />
Tema yuradRebas imsaxurebdes.<br />
_ amas Tavad gadavwyvetT, ra<br />
imsaxurebs Cvens yudarRebas da<br />
ra _ ara. TviTmmarTvelobis<br />
wevrebs malulad xvdebodiT?<br />
sandro cagareli piradad Tqven<br />
gdebT brals...<br />
_ mas Semdeg, rac „audotoria<br />
115" yvelaze did studentur<br />
moZraobad iqca, araerTi mcdeloba<br />
iyo misi daSlisa, bevri SemTxveva<br />
iyo Cveni aqtivistebis daSinebisa,<br />
magram radganac am gziT ver<br />
SegvaCeres, axla garkveuli Zalebi<br />
jgufis SigniT qaosis Semotanas<br />
cdiloben. Tumca es mcdelobac<br />
ganwirulia. social-demokratiuli<br />
partiis axalgazrduli<br />
frTis wevrebi dRes aRar arian<br />
Cven gverdiT, sxva yvelaferi ki<br />
ucvleli darCa. vagrZelebT brZolas<br />
reformebisTvis. „auditoria<br />
115"-is arseboba qveyanaSi bevr<br />
Zalas ar unda, grZnoben, rom maT<br />
komfortis zonebs safrTxe Seeqmneba.<br />
Sesabamisad, sxvadasxva gziT<br />
cdiloben Cven daSlas.<br />
_ SegiZliaT, detalebze gve-<br />
saubroT?<br />
_ amomwuravad gipasuxeT, mets<br />
verafers davamateb...<br />
„qronika+” cagarelTan dapir-<br />
ispirebul kidev erT students _<br />
irakli kupraZes daukavSirda:<br />
_ adasturebT faqts, rom<br />
Tqveni mxridan daZabuli saubari<br />
iyo cagarelis misamarTiT?<br />
_ arc uarvyof da arc vadastureb,<br />
saerTod ar vakeTeb komentars...<br />
_ is mainc SegiZlia gviTxraT,<br />
„auditoria 115" daiSala Tu ara?<br />
_ ar daSlila da muSaobas vagr-<br />
ZelebT.<br />
_ nawili wevrebisa ratom<br />
gagemijnaT?<br />
_ es Cveulebrivi, cocxali procesia<br />
da mas araferi udgas win.<br />
_ Cveni informaciiT, Tqven<br />
erT-erTi gamorCeuli yofilx-<br />
arT am Sexvedraze, pretenziebi<br />
gqoniaT cagarelTan. arc am<br />
faqts adasturebT?<br />
_ arafers vadastureb. kargad<br />
brZandebodeT.<br />
„qronika+” „auditoria 115"-is<br />
kidev erT wevrs, naTia qarCilaZ-<br />
es daukavSirda:<br />
_ ratom toveben studentur<br />
moZraobas axalgazrdebi?<br />
_ „auditoria 115"-Si samuSao<br />
procesi mimdinareobs. saministrosTan<br />
molaparakebebi droebiT<br />
aRar gvaqvs, seqtembrisTvis vemzadebiT.<br />
„auditoria 115"-Si, martis<br />
ganmavlobaSi, eqvsasamde studenti<br />
iyo sxvadasxva SexedulebiT, sxvadasxva<br />
RirebulebiT... Cven samuSao<br />
procesze gadavediT da, Sesabamisad,<br />
bevri iseTi Tema gamoikveTa,<br />
romelic zogierTs ar moewona. am<br />
kategoriis adamianebi aRar dadian<br />
Sekrebebze. martis movlenebis Semdeg<br />
organizacia sakmaod gaZlierda<br />
da gavlenian studentur moZraobad<br />
Camoyalibda, ris Semdegac<br />
auditoriis garedan daSlas, an<br />
Signidan Ziris gamoTxras cdilobdnen,<br />
magram isev vagrZelebT muSaobas<br />
da brZolas reformisTvis. Cveni<br />
miznebi da amocanebi ucvlelia.<br />
_ gviTxres, rom naTia qar-<br />
CilaZe da giorgi arobeliZe<br />
farulad xvdebodnen TviTm-<br />
marTvelobis wevrebso...<br />
_ gasagebad gipasuxeT. es aris<br />
Cemi komentari...<br />
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me-15 gverdidan<br />
- am gadawyvetilebiT, elementarulad,<br />
Caxsnes is orkaciani Tu samkaciani partiebi,<br />
romlebic kus rom morieli daajdeba,<br />
ise iyvnen. es adamianebi oTxi wlis ganmavlobaSi<br />
parlamentSi isxdnen. davinaxeT, rom<br />
maT, praqtikulad, araferi gaukeTebiaT<br />
qveynisTvis, socialur-ekonomikuri mdgomareobis<br />
SecvlisTvis, iseve, rogorc teritoriuli<br />
mTlianobis aRdgenisTvis da a.S.<br />
piriqiT, mcocavi okupacia mimdinareobs,<br />
e. w. sazRvrispira regionidan Cvens mosaxleobas<br />
yoveldRiurad itaceben.<br />
amitom 2016 wlis 8 oqtombers, albaT,<br />
yvela dafiqrdeba, yvelafers awon-dawonis<br />
da im Zalas dauWers mxars, romelic mkveTr<br />
nabijebs gadadgams, rom ruseTTan urTier-<br />
Toba daalagos, teritoriuli mTlianoba<br />
aRdges, biujetis Sesabamisi koreqtireba<br />
moxdes xalxis keTildReobis amaRlebisTvis,<br />
konkretuli Sedegebis miRwevisTvis.<br />
es Zala „memarcxene aliansia”, romelic<br />
yovelTvis am mimarTulebiT ibrZoda da am<br />
kuTxiT aqtiur muSaobas gaagrZelebs.<br />
_ dRevandeli saarCevno sistema Sevafa-<br />
soT, riTac arCevnebze gavdivarT...<br />
_ veraviTar kritikas ver uZlebs maT<br />
mier miRebuli kanonproeqti. „memarcxene<br />
aliansi” yovelTvis ibrZoda imisTvis, rom<br />
arsebuli maxinji sistema, rogorc maJoritaruli<br />
sistemaa, gauqmebuliyo da arCevnebi<br />
regionul-proporciuli wesiT Catarebuliyo.<br />
magram raoden cinikuria dRes „nacionalebis”<br />
gancxadeba, rom Turme es maJoritaruli<br />
sistema maxinji yofila. am dros,<br />
swored am maJoritaruli sistemiT darCa<br />
mixeil saakaSvili, Tavis droze, xelisu-<br />
`qarTulma ocnebam~ politikurad swori nabiji<br />
gadadga, rodesac sazogadoebas ganucxada, rom<br />
arCevnebSi damoukideblad miiRebs monawileobas. am<br />
gadawyvetilebiT, elementarulad, Caxsnes is orkaciani<br />
Tu samkaciani partiebi, romlebic kus rom morieli<br />
daajdeba, ise iyvnen. es adamianebi oTxi wlis<br />
ganmavlobaSi parlamentSi isxdnen. davinaxeT, rom maT,<br />
praqtikulad, araferi gaukeTebiaT qveynisTvis,<br />
socialur-ekonomikuri mdgomareobis SecvlisTvis,<br />
iseve, rogorc teritoriuli mTlianobis aRdgenisTvis<br />
da a.S. piriqiT, mcocavi okupacia mimdinareobs, e. w.<br />
sazRvrispira regionidan Cvens mosaxleobas<br />
yoveldRiurad itaceben. amitom 2016 wlis 8<br />
oqtombers, albaT, yvela dafiqrdeba, yvelafers awon-<br />
dawonis da im Zalas dauWers mxars, romelic mkveTr<br />
nabijebs gadadgams, rom ruseTTan urTierToba<br />
daalagos, teritoriuli mTlianoba aRdges, biujetis<br />
Sesabamisi koreqtireba moxdes xalxis keTildReobis<br />
amaRlebisTvis, konkretuli Sedegebis miRwevisTvis~<br />
paata jiblaZe:<br />
`mTavari dapireba, rac am<br />
xelisuflebam ver Seasrula,<br />
samarTlianobis aRdgenaa~<br />
flebSi.<br />
gaixseneT 2003 weli, rodesac arCevnebi<br />
gayalbebulad gamoacxades, partiebi parlamentidan<br />
gamoyares, magram imave xalxis<br />
mier arCeuli maJoritari deputatebi<br />
saakaSvilma datova. es awyobdaT, radgan<br />
rasac CasZaxebdnen, isinic xom igives amosZaxebdnen?<br />
mere gavixsenoT 2008, 2010 wlis arCevnebi,<br />
isev im sistemiT Catarda. Tu undodaT,<br />
SeecvalaT, magram maTac imedi hqondaT,<br />
rom am gziT xelisuflebaSi yofnas gaigr-<br />
Zelebdnen. amitom migvaCnia, rom es sistema<br />
absoluturad miuRebeli unda iyos Cveni<br />
sazogadoebisTvis. Tu Cven movalT parlamentSi,<br />
imisTvis vizrunebT, rom es maxinji<br />
sistema saswrafod Seicvalos.<br />
_ ra formiT gadixarT saparlamento<br />
arCevnebze?<br />
_ molaparakebebi mimdinareobs, magram<br />
Cveni upirvelesi amosavali ideologiuri<br />
TvalTaxedva iqneba aseve erovnuloba. es<br />
Cveni amosavali wertili iqneba, Tu arCevnebSi<br />
koaliciis saxiT monawileoba gadavwyviteT.<br />
iseve, rogorc politikur gadawyvetilebas<br />
miviRebT maJoritaruli wesiT<br />
arCevnebTan dakavSirebiT. nebismier Sem-<br />
TxvevaSi, arCevnebSi monawileobas miviRebT<br />
da warmatebis mopovebas vgegmavT. gvsurs,<br />
arCevnebSi moanawileobiT sabolood<br />
CavZiroT „nacionaluri moZraoba”. es politikuri<br />
organizacia unda gaqres rukidan,<br />
maT satelitebTan erTad.<br />
me-14 gverdidan<br />
erTxel mivida RaribaSvili da<br />
hkiTxa, _ wavide Tu arao? da, _<br />
arao, _ uTxra. meorejer mivida da<br />
hkiTxa, _ wavide Tu arao? da, _<br />
isev arao. rogorc aRmoCnda, eqvs<br />
TveSi erTxel usvamen am kiTxvas.<br />
da erT mSvenier dRes SeiZleba<br />
mivides kvirikaSvili da uTxras, _<br />
ho, is droa, rom waxvideo.<br />
rogor fiqrobT, Cveni mosaxleoba<br />
pasuxismgeblobas vis daakisrebs?<br />
cudad rom aris saqme visi<br />
bralia? kvirikaSvilis Tu ivaniSvilis?<br />
pasuxismgebeli yovelTvis<br />
realuri mmarTvelia da ra Tqma<br />
unda, es aris problema. amitom<br />
Cveni mosaxleoba swor gadawyvetilebas<br />
miiRebs.<br />
_ premieri kvirikaSvili ax-<br />
seneT, man mowodeba gaakeTa, rom<br />
yvelam kodeqss moaweros xeli<br />
saarCevnod qcevis wesebze, amaze<br />
Tqveni pozicia rogoria?<br />
_ TvalSi nacris Seyraa. uamravi<br />
faqti gvaqvs SerCeviTi marTlmsajulebis.<br />
magaliTad, pirdapir<br />
eTerSi deputats xeli daartyes,<br />
RviniaSvilze vsaubrob; Tavdasxma<br />
iyo deputatebze, wiklaurze; iyo<br />
korcxelis darbeva. ra sasjelia,<br />
rodesac deputatis pijakis dazianebis<br />
mcdelobisTvis patimrobaSi<br />
isxdnen Cveni biWebi? arc<br />
erT konkretul saqmes saTanado<br />
reagireba ar mohyolia.<br />
magaliTad, iyo Tema, rom es „kanonieri<br />
qurdi” odeselma da „nacionalebma”<br />
Cagvideso. „remena” Semoiyvanes<br />
(roman barbaqaZe) da mas arc<br />
meti, arc naklebi, aeroportSi daxvda<br />
ce-klasis „mersedesi”, zqz-222,<br />
romelic maSin keWaymaZis, energetikis<br />
ministris uaxloesi megobris<br />
meuRleze iyo gaformebuli.<br />
mindia goraZe Semoiyvanes da<br />
mere rac moxda, Tqvenc kargad<br />
iciT. aseve giorgi janeliZe (gior-<br />
30<br />
vo? am daqiravebaSi gareulia meria<br />
da kalaZis colisZma areSiZe.<br />
amitom ras gvelaparakeba premieri,<br />
vin „boldeba” amiT? marTla<br />
hgoniaT, rom xalxi ver xvdeba<br />
verafers? maSin Tqvas, rom me ar<br />
maqvs amaze pasuxismgeblobao. es<br />
ufro gasagebi iqneboda. axla kidev<br />
kalaZis Stabis ufrosad daniSvna,<br />
romelzedac eWvi gvaqvs, rom<br />
amaSi monawileobda, es ra signalia?<br />
amis Semdeg erT kviraSi gamodis<br />
da siZulvilis eniT ar vilapara-<br />
mixeil maWavariani:<br />
`gamarjvebisTvis vemzadebiT,<br />
yvela Sansi gvaqvs!~<br />
gi piterski), ruseTidan deportacia<br />
moxda 2014 wlis 23 marts. es<br />
kaci sazRvarze rom gadmovida, iq<br />
ar dafiqsirebula. samagierod, 14<br />
oqtombers dafiqsirda, roca<br />
saqarTvelo datova. amitom xom<br />
warmogidgeniaT, reebze midian,<br />
rom sxvas gadaabralon.<br />
_ es procesi raze mianiSnebs?<br />
_ e. w. qurdul avtoritetebs<br />
amuSaveben. Tqven ra ggoniaT, korcxelSi<br />
rac moxda (darbeva), am<br />
biWebs saidan gaaxsendaT, rom unda<br />
evarjiSaT? an ratom unda uqira-<br />
koTo... da vin laparakobs siZulvilis<br />
eniT? isev xelisuflebis<br />
warmomadgenlebi.<br />
_ arsebuli saarCevno garemo<br />
rogor SeiZleba, SevafasoT?<br />
_ mxolod citatebs mogiyvanT<br />
euTosa da „endiais” winaswari dokumentebidan.<br />
garemo fasdeba,<br />
rogorc sakmaod rTuli.<br />
dRes gavrcelda evrosabWos<br />
saparlamento asambleis 45 wevris<br />
(sxvadasxva qveynidan da fraqciidan)<br />
gancxadeba, romelSic mTavrobas<br />
mouwodeben, rom qveyanaSi<br />
30 N23(154) 28.6-4.7.2016 w.<br />
sakmaod rTuli garemoa, opoziciis<br />
winaaRmdeg Zaladobaa, administraciuli<br />
resursis gamoyenebaa,<br />
merabiSvilis mimarT aRniSnuli ganaCeni<br />
aris da gareT ar uSveben...<br />
mouwodeben, rom saqarTvelos<br />
mTavrobam adekvaturi zomebi miiRos.<br />
axla meti ra unda vTqva, roca<br />
euTo, „endiai” amaze saubrobs<br />
da evrosabWos saparlamento asambleis<br />
45 deputati amas awers xels.<br />
_ rogori kampaniis warmarTvas<br />
apirebs „nacionaluri moZraoba”<br />
da ra Sedegs elodebiT 8 oqtomb-<br />
ers?<br />
_ Cven im problemebze saubars<br />
vapirebT (gamosavlis gzebze), rac<br />
ekonomikaSia. ar mogvwons ekonomikuri<br />
mdgomareoba, ar mogvwons,<br />
rom pensia 50 lariT ar izrdeba,<br />
ar mogvwons, rom mogebis gadasaxadi<br />
ar Semcirda, rogorc unda<br />
Semcirebuliyo da, faqtobrivad,<br />
mis gauqmebas viTxovdiT.<br />
Cven ar mogvwons, rom saSemosavlo<br />
ar Semcirda, ar mogvwons, rom<br />
ar xorcieldeba dasaqmebis<br />
konkretuli programebi infrastruqturis<br />
mimarTulebiT. saqarTvelo<br />
unikaluri qveyana gaxda<br />
2003 wlis mere. realurad, energodeficituri<br />
qveyana iyo da 2007<br />
wels eleqtroenergias vyiddiT.<br />
Sansi axlac gvaqvs. Cven ar gagvaCnia<br />
navTobi, ar gvyavs diaspora,<br />
magram gvaqvs Warbi eleqtroenergia.<br />
amaze aRar fiqroben. Tqven Tu<br />
SexedavT, rogor Cerdeba energetikaSi<br />
investiciebi da rogor undodaT<br />
kalaZes da ivaniSvils CvenTvis<br />
Tavze moexviaT „gazpromi”,<br />
naTeli xdeba yvelaferi.<br />
_ ra Sedegebs elodebiT<br />
arCevnebze?<br />
_ gamarjvebisTvis vemzadebiT.<br />
yvela Sansi gvaqvs, maT Soris, amaze<br />
metyvelebs „endiaisa” da „airais”<br />
kvlevebi, romlisac biZina ivaniSvils<br />
ar sjera...
Si ereva: Tu rogor unda imarTebodnen<br />
es komerciuli bankebi da<br />
xandaxan am marTvas uaRresad arakonstruqciuli<br />
da araswori<br />
Sedegebi aqvs, radgan igi upasuxismgeblobas<br />
axalisebs. es kontrolia<br />
da, garkveulwilad,<br />
„zurgic”, poziciiT, _ midi (banko),<br />
me (erovnuli banki) aq var,<br />
nu geSinia da rac ginda, is qeni<br />
_ es aris maTi kontroli. igive<br />
gamoixateba refinansirebis sesxebiTac.<br />
radgan am komerciul bankebs<br />
erovnuli bankis „zurgi” aqvT,<br />
amitom isini ufro upasuxismgebloni<br />
arian, vidre unda iyvnen.<br />
es ukanaskneli ki ufro meti da<br />
riskiani sesxis gacemiT gamoixateba,<br />
vidre sxva SemTxvevaSi gaakeTebdnen.<br />
axla ki „erovnuli banki”<br />
sxvadasxva formiT azRvevs<br />
maT, gansakuTrebiT imiT, rom<br />
gaWirvebis SemTxvevaSi SeuZlia,<br />
devalvacia ganaxorcielos, bank-<br />
sabanko sistema im komerciul<br />
nino tabaRua<br />
da arakomerciul bankebze dgas,<br />
romlebic uamrav profilur, Tu<br />
masze met araprofilur bizness flobs. maT ki erTi instituti<br />
_ „erovnuli banki” uwevs koordinebas. rogori mgomar-<br />
eobaa dRes bazarze da ra radikaluri nabijebis gadadgmaa<br />
saWiro Cveni qveynis ekonomikis mosawesrigeblad?<br />
`qronika+”-s esaubreba „axa-<br />
li ekonomikuri skola _ saqar-<br />
Tvelos” prezidenti, ekonomis-<br />
ti paata SeSeliZe:<br />
_ batono paata, ra mdgomareobaa<br />
dRes qarTul bazarze ko-<br />
merciuli bankebis mxriv da ra<br />
aris maTi „simZlavris” mizezi?<br />
_ komerciuli bankebi dRes<br />
sindikats qmnian, romelsac „erovnuli<br />
banki” marTavs. mis unebarTvod<br />
isini qaRalds ver deben<br />
erTi adgilidan meoreze. „erovnuli<br />
banki” umcires detaleb-<br />
rotobis SemTxvevaSic aseve daicvas<br />
igive sesxebis gawelvisa da<br />
sxva mravali proceduris gziT.<br />
_ e. i. erovnuli banki komerciul<br />
bankebs „mfarvelobs”. realurad,<br />
ra aris misi daniS-<br />
nuleba da ra dadebiTi moaqvs<br />
e.b.-is muSaobas?<br />
_ „erovnuli banki” aris absoluturad<br />
xorcmeti instituti,<br />
romelic zaralis mets arafers<br />
gvaZlevs. instituti, romelic<br />
am procedurebis gamo bankebSi<br />
axalisebs riskianobas da windau-<br />
`Cven ar gvWirdeba saxelmwifos mier marTuli<br />
monetaruli sistema. Tu adamians ekonomikaSi<br />
odnavi ganaTleba mainc aqvs, mas eWvi ar unda<br />
gauCndes, rom fuli sabazro produqtia,<br />
romelic Tavis droze Siqmna, rogorc sabazro<br />
produqti, rogorc moTxovna-miwodebis<br />
procesis nawili. rodesac adamianebs imis<br />
moTxovnileba gauCndaT, rom gacvlis<br />
saSualeba hqonodaT, romelic maT interesebis<br />
Sesabamisad moemsaxureboda, is warmoiSva,<br />
rogorc sxva, nebismieri saqoneli, an<br />
momsaxureba, romelic bazarze gvaqvs, amitom<br />
igi am procesSive unda darCes, dinamikuri<br />
unda iyos. fuli kerZo mowodebis safuZvelze<br />
unda brunavdes da, Sesabamisad, saxelmwifos<br />
Careva mxolod negatiuria, mas mxolod<br />
falsificireba SeuZlia~<br />
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aleba hqonodaT, romelic maT<br />
interesebis Sesabamisad moemsaxureboda,<br />
is warmoiSva, rogorc<br />
sxva, nebismieri saqoneli, an momsaxureba,<br />
romelic bazarze gvaqvs,<br />
amitom igi am procesSive unda<br />
darCes, dinamikuri unda iyos.<br />
fuli kerZo mowodebis safuZvelze<br />
unda brunavdes da, Sesabamisad,<br />
saxelmwifos Careva mxolod<br />
negatiuria, mas mxolod<br />
falsificireba SeuZlia.<br />
saqarTveloSi lari erovnuli<br />
valutaa, mis kurss adgens saxelmwifo;<br />
fulis mimoqcevaSi ga-<br />
Sveba-argaSvebis sakiTxs adgens<br />
saxelmwifo; refinansirebis se-<br />
paata SeSeliZe:<br />
`erovnuli<br />
banki~ unda<br />
gauqmdes!~<br />
sxis ganakveTis dadgena, bankebis<br />
registracia, maTi xelmZRvanelobis<br />
daniSvna Tanxmdeba xelisuflebasTan.<br />
yvela detalze,<br />
yvela patara niuansSi ereva da<br />
es Zalian cudia.<br />
_ ra aris yvelaze didi prob-<br />
lema monetarul sistemaSi?<br />
_ monetarul sistemaSi yvelaze<br />
didi problema aris „erovnuli<br />
banki” da is sistema, romelic<br />
gvaqvs, ubralod, ar gvWirdeba.<br />
mas alternativac ki ar<br />
gaaCnia, _ roca Tavi gtkiva, unda<br />
moirCino, alternativa xom ar<br />
aris, Tavis magivrad muceli<br />
agtkivdes, ubralod, unda moir-<br />
Cino. bazarze saxelmwifo aris<br />
mxolod monopolisti da falsifikatori,<br />
sadac SeiZleba Tqven<br />
waagoT, magram sxvebs niSani misceT,<br />
rom gafrTxildnen. visac<br />
fulis Tema esmis, imaTTvis es<br />
yvelaferi axali araa.<br />
_ ekonomikis ganviTarebas<br />
ramdenad uSlis xels saxelmwifos<br />
Careva monetarul poli-<br />
tikaSi?<br />
_ ra Tqma unda, uSlis, es katastrofaa!<br />
faqtobrivad, politikuri<br />
da piradi interesebis<br />
sasargeblod mudmivi sabazro<br />
signalebis falsificirebaa.<br />
dRes mimarTuleba iseTia,<br />
rom Cven xelSesaxebi Sedegebi<br />
gveqneboda imisgan, rasac va-<br />
xedav gadawyvetilebebs, provocirebas<br />
ukeTebs sakredito eqspansias,<br />
romelic, rogorc wesi,<br />
mTavrdeba imiT, rom Sedegad vi-<br />
RebT daumTavrebel proeqtebs,<br />
Zvir bazars da Semdeg amis gamosworebaSi<br />
daxarjul drosa<br />
da energias. fuli aris is, rasac<br />
adamianebi nebayoflobiT iyeneben<br />
da mas saxelmwifo marTva<br />
ar sWirdeba _ es elementarulia<br />
da arc bankebsa da sxva biznes<br />
struqturebs sWirdebaT zedamxedveloba.<br />
isini ufro metad<br />
pasuxismgeblianebi iqnebian. yoveli<br />
zedamxedveloba ki pasuxismgeblobis<br />
gadanawilebas niSnavs,<br />
rac am da sxva SemTxvevaSi<br />
imiT mTavrdeba, rom aseTi zedamxedvelobis<br />
qveS myofi institutebi<br />
ufro riskianebi arian,<br />
vidre sxva SemTxvevaSi iqnebodnen.<br />
_ ra roli aqvs saxelmwifos,<br />
rogor unda moiqces igi?<br />
N23(154) 28.6-4.7.2016 w.<br />
`erovnuli banki~ aris absoluturad xorcmeti<br />
instituti, romelic zaralis mets arafers<br />
gvaZlevs. instituti, romelic am<br />
procedurebis gamo bankebSi axalisebs<br />
riskianobas da windauxedav gadawyvetilebebs,<br />
provocirebas ukeTebs sakredito eqspansias,<br />
romelic, rogorc wesi, mTavrdeba imiT, rom<br />
Sedegad viRebT daumTavrebel proeqtebs, Zvir<br />
bazars da Semdeg amis gamosworebaSi daxarjul<br />
drosa da energias~<br />
_ aranairi. Cven ar gvWirdeba<br />
saxelmwifos mier marTuli monetaruli<br />
sisitema. Tu adamians<br />
ekonomikaSi odnavi ganaTleba<br />
mainc aqvs, mas eWvi ar unda gauCndes,<br />
rom fuli sabazro produqtia,<br />
romelic Tavis droze<br />
Siqmna, rogorc sabazro produqti,<br />
rogorc moTxovna-miwodebis<br />
procesis nawili. rodesac<br />
adamianebs imis moTxovnileba<br />
gauCndaT, rom gacvlis saSu-<br />
keTebT. wesiT, ekonomikis ganvi-<br />
Tarebis, bazrebis gafarToebis,<br />
axali teqnologiebis Semosvlis<br />
kvalobaze Cven ufro iafi da xelmisawvdomi<br />
produqcia unda<br />
gvqondes, Tumca mudmivi inflacia<br />
gvaqvs. rogor SeiZleba, teqnika<br />
viTardebodes, yvelaferi<br />
martivdebodes da Sen fasebi gezrdebodes?!<br />
xom ar aris logikuri<br />
aseTi scenari?! ratom xdeba<br />
es ase?! imitom, rom arasworad<br />
muSaoben. CarTuli aqvT fulis<br />
sabeWdi manqana da provocirebas<br />
uweven inflacias.<br />
gagrZeleba 32-e gv.<br />
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- miuxedavad amisa, murusiZe, samosa-<br />
marTleo vadis gasvlis Semdgom kvlav<br />
airCies mosamarTled da dRes is saapelacio<br />
sasamarTloSi sakmaod maRal Tanam-<br />
debobazea. am faqts rogor SeafasebT?<br />
_ me var nikola ferero, „12 advokatis<br />
konferenciis” wevri. Cven yvela iseTi<br />
faqtiT dainteresebas vapirebT, sadac adamianis<br />
mTavari uflebebi irRveva. is, rac<br />
Tqvenc CamoTvaleT, darRvevebia da, ra<br />
Tqma unda, adamianis uflebebis deklaracia<br />
yvela qveyanaSi daculi unda iyos. yvela<br />
saqmiT davinteresdebiT. moviZiebT am<br />
konkretuli saqmeebis qeisebs, CavitanT<br />
parizSi da yvelas gavacnobT, Tu ra xdeba<br />
aq samarTlebrivi kuTxiT.<br />
_ is konkretuli adamianebi, romelTa<br />
mimarTac usamarTloba ganxorcielda,<br />
Tqveni daxmarebis Sedegebs rodis unda<br />
elodon?<br />
_ sanam konkretul Sedegs davinaxavT,<br />
manamdec maT gverdiT viqnebiT. daveswrebiT<br />
sasamarTlo procesebs, mivcemT rCevebs<br />
Cveni gamocdilebidan gamomdinare. am<br />
etapze Cveni viziti samdRiania, Tumca movilaparakebT<br />
da es vizitebi gagrZeldeba,<br />
gaxSirdeba. yvela uflebaSelaxuli advokatis,<br />
yofili maRalCinosnisa Tu mediasaSualebis<br />
xmas gavagonebT parizs, iq myof kompetentur<br />
pirebs da sazogadoebas.<br />
_ rogoria Tqveni saqmianobis gare<br />
praqtika?<br />
_ gamarjoba, me var marten deru _ „12<br />
advokatis konferenciis” mdivani. safrangeTSi<br />
Cveni 12-ve wevri Zalian varT<br />
dakavebulebi, Tumca qveynis gareT Cveni<br />
saqmianobis praqtika aseTia: jer CavdivarT<br />
konkretul qveyanaSi da vecnobiT iqaurobas,<br />
viRebT zogad informaciebs.<br />
saqarTveloSi Cven gvaqvs pirveli viziti,<br />
pirveli Sexvedrebi. droTa ganmavlobaSi<br />
aucileblad davamyarebT mWidro kontaqtebs<br />
da im gaxmaurebul sasamarTlo<br />
procesebsac daveswrebiT, sadac Cndeba<br />
eWvi, rom mosamarTleebi xelisuflebasTan<br />
arian kavSirSi da maT davalebas asruleben.<br />
postsabWoTa qveynebidan pirvelad<br />
saqarTveloSi CamovediT, sxvagan jer ar<br />
CavsulvarT. saqarTvelos prezidentis<br />
rezidenciaSi Cveni vizitic STambeWdavi<br />
iyo, erTmaneTs gavecaniT da Cven Soris<br />
saintereso saubrebic Sedga. xval rusTavis<br />
cixeSi mivdivarT, radgan gvainteresebs patimrebis<br />
mdgomareoba, maTi pirobebi. aseve<br />
SevxvdebiT „rusTavi 2"-is xelmZRvanelobas<br />
safrangeTis `bari~<br />
`yvela uflebaSelaxuli advokatis,<br />
yofili maRalCinosnisa Tu<br />
mediasaSualebis xmas gavagonebT parizs!~<br />
da koleqtivs. xval saRamos davbrundebiT<br />
parizSi, Tumca Cven kvlav CamovalT ufro<br />
konkretuli davalebebiT da kiTxvebiT,<br />
romelTa pasuxebis moZiebasac aqve SevecdebiT.<br />
_ rogorc vici, saqarTvelo Zalian<br />
mogewonaT. konkretulad, ram mogxiblaT?<br />
_ ori dRe davyaviT saqarTveloSi da<br />
ukve TavgadasavliT mivdivarT (icinis).<br />
darialis xeobaSi swored im dros viyaviT,<br />
roca mTaze mewyeri Camowva. Rame monaster-<br />
Si gavatareT.<br />
_ ras ambobT?! gadarCenas gilocavT...<br />
_ diax, gergeTis sameba vnaxeT, saqarTvelo-ruseTis<br />
sazRvramde mivediT, saocari<br />
adgilebi iyo. ukve movdiodiT, roca erTi<br />
ambavi atyda, wamiT gamovaswariT mewyers.<br />
sakuTari TvaliT vnaxeT es yvelaferi. maSinve<br />
mamaTa monasterSi avvardiT da Rame iq<br />
gavaTieT, diliT ki TbilisSi TviTmfrinaviT<br />
gadmogviyvanes. ase rom, Cveni kavSirebi<br />
Sedga, romelic aucileblad gagrZeldeba.<br />
frangi advokatebi Segvpirdnen, rom<br />
Cvens gazeTTanac eqnebaT kontaqti da<br />
yoveli maTi Camosvlis dros eqskluziur<br />
interviuebs ar daizareben.<br />
giorgi<br />
mdinaraZe<br />
`saqarTvelos Sesaxeb, bevri araferi vicodiT da aq<br />
SevityveT. roca advokatTa asociaciis Tavmjdomares<br />
movusmineT, aseve, Tavad uflebaSelaxul advokatebs, maTi<br />
mdgomareoba gulze mogvxvda. zogierTma faqtma SokSic ki<br />
Cagvagdo. Znelia, romelimes gamorCeva, magram<br />
gansakuTrebiT aRgvaSfoTa advokat giorgi onianis faqtma,<br />
romelic yofil ministrebs icavda da amis gamo raRacebi<br />
amouqeqes. aseve saSineli iyo, roca SevityveT, rom advokati<br />
prokurorma gamoagdo da uTxra, - kidev ver iswavle Wkuao?<br />
gamomZiebelma rom xeli daartya advokats, mdinaraZis<br />
SemTxveva da a. S. yvela es faqti SemaSfoTebelia~<br />
giorgi<br />
oniani<br />
31-e gverdidan<br />
- amboben, rom inflacia kargia,<br />
an undaT dagvajeron, rom es<br />
asea da fulis moWris procesSi<br />
daaxloebuli adamianebi xeirs<br />
naxuloben, Cven mis sikargeSi<br />
gvarwmuneben! es kargia imaTTvis,<br />
vinc jibeSi idebs am fuls, magram<br />
ara CvenTvis, visi jibidanac<br />
iReben, rom TavisaSi Caidon.<br />
_ SesaZlebelia amis mogvare-<br />
ba realurad?<br />
_ ra Tqma unda, „erovnuli<br />
banki” unda gauqmdes da ar unda<br />
iyos am sistemaSi CarTuli.<br />
_ bolo periodSi mimdinare<br />
valutis gamyareba-gaufasureb-<br />
is procesic xelovnuria?<br />
_ orive mimarTuleba xelovnuria,<br />
radgan igi im mcdari gadawyvetilebebis<br />
Sedegia, romelsac<br />
iReben. araxelovnuri arc<br />
laria da arc dolari. oqro rom<br />
yofiliyo, maSin iqneboda bunebrivi,<br />
imitom rom xan deficitia<br />
misi, xan piriqiT, anu fasi xan<br />
aiwves, xan daiwevs, misi dinamika<br />
araa problemuri. inflaciis SenarCunebas<br />
rom cdiloben, egaa<br />
sruli sisulele, radgan fasebi<br />
bazarze dinamikuri unda iyos,<br />
rom Cven informacia gvqondes,<br />
ra aris deficitSi da risi warmoebaa<br />
mizanSewonili. roca fasebis<br />
falsificireba xdeba, mere<br />
ar ici, ra awarmoo da ra _ ara.<br />
ggonia, rom raime konkretuli<br />
unda awarmoo, xarjav dros, Tanxas,<br />
energias da piriqiT xdeba,<br />
ver yidi.<br />
_ vin karnaxobs am yve-<br />
lafers?<br />
_ ra Tqma unda konkretuli<br />
32<br />
si regulirebebi ki erT-erTi<br />
yvelaze fundamenturi da sakvanZo<br />
problemaa ara mxolod<br />
saqarTveloSi, aramed msoflio-<br />
Si. es aris is, rac ekonomikis ganviTarebis<br />
tempebs aferxebs<br />
msoflioSi. evropaSi, aSS-Si vi-<br />
Tardebian, aq ki fafxuroben,<br />
raRac 2-3% aris ekonomikuri<br />
zrda da uxariaT. es ki absoluturad<br />
araadekvaturia Tanamedrove<br />
teqnologiebidan gamompaata<br />
SeSeliZe:<br />
`erovnuli banki~<br />
unda gauqmdes!~<br />
pirebi, romelTac sxvadasxva<br />
Sexeduleba aqvT. rogorc wesi,<br />
mcdari, araswori xedva, piradi<br />
gamorCenis survili da sxv.<br />
_ am sistemaSi rom saxelmwifo<br />
da erovnuli banki ar Cae-<br />
rios, rogor aisaxeba ekonomikis<br />
zrda da mogeba Cveu-<br />
lebriv moqalaqeebze?<br />
_ dRes adamianebis garkveul<br />
jgufs privilegia aqvs, isini ufro<br />
met sargebels iReben imiT,<br />
rom informacia aqvT erovnuli<br />
bankis moqmedebis Sesaxeb. danar-<br />
Cens ar aqvs, amitom ageben. „erovnuli<br />
banki” rom moispos, informacia<br />
ufro simetriuli iqneboda.<br />
yvelas eqneboda sruli<br />
sabazro informacia, isini gadawyvetdnen,<br />
rogor unda moqceuliyvnen.<br />
Secdomebidan dazRveuli<br />
aravinaa, magram niSnebi<br />
iqneboda swori. umTavresi problema<br />
aris „erovnuli banki”. mi-<br />
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dinare. ubralod, imis niSani,<br />
rom raRac xarvezia da ar swodeba.<br />
ar swordeba imitom, rom<br />
gadawyvetilebis mimRebebs Sesa-<br />
Zlebloba aqvT, piradi interesebi<br />
jabnis, fuls jibeSi ideben<br />
da amas xom ar gaacxadeben?!<br />
_ msoflioSi iseTi qveynebis<br />
magaliTebi Tu gvaqvs, sadac<br />
„erovnuli banki” ar aris da<br />
saxelmwifoc ar ereva ekonomikur<br />
sakiTxebSi, Tumca ekonomi-<br />
ka sakmaod Zlieri aqvT?<br />
_ ramdenime aris. magaliTad,<br />
panama iyenebs aSS dolars. ker-<br />
Zo fulis magaliTi dRes aRar<br />
aris, magram arian qveynebi, romlebic<br />
sxva qveynis valutas iyeneben<br />
da Tavisi rgoli gamo-<br />
TiSulia, magaliTad, montenegro.<br />
qyveynebi, romlebsac iseTi<br />
rgoli aqvs Seqmnili, romelic<br />
„erovnuli bankis” msgavsia, Tumca<br />
minimalur funqciebs asrulebs,<br />
aris hon-kongi, singapuri,<br />
bulgareTi, baltiis qveynebi.<br />
Sualeduri, naklebfunqciuri<br />
rgolia, romelsac sxvadasxva<br />
qveyanaSi sxvadasxva saxeli<br />
aqvs, magram mTavari is aris, rom<br />
gacvliTi kursi myaria da sxva<br />
diskreciuli uflebebi ar gaaCnia,<br />
anu sxva gadawyvetilebas<br />
veRar iRebs, mxolod kurss aregulirebs.<br />
aseT rames me, rogorc<br />
kompromiss vTavazob: Tu<br />
rac radikaluri da kargi azria,<br />
imas ar akeTeben, is mainc gaake-<br />
Ton, rom maTi yoveldRiuri<br />
gadawyvetilebebis tyveobaSi ar<br />
viyoT. es mTavroba amis gamkeTebeli<br />
inteleqtualurad ar aris.<br />
Semdegi ki vnaxoT.
mariam balanCivaZe<br />
daviT TavarTqilaZe gamocdili sportuli Jurnalistia.<br />
ori aTeuli wlis ganmavlobaSi qarTul sportul gamocemeb-<br />
Si muSaobda. Jurnalisturis garda mas sakmao gamocdileba<br />
aqvs safexburTo saklubo menejmentSi. ramdenime Tvea, niuiorkSi<br />
cxovrobs da muSaobs. samSoblodan wasvla ar undo-<br />
da, magram aqaurma garemom sxva arCevani aRar dautova.<br />
saqarTveloSi TavarTqilaZis bolo samsaxuri saqarTvelos<br />
fexburTis federacia iyo, romlis datovebac federaciaSi<br />
axali xelmZRvanelobis mosvlis Semdeg mouwia.<br />
„qronika+” niu-iorkSi daviT<br />
TavarTqilaZes esaubreba:<br />
_ daviT, ra poziciaze<br />
muSaobdiT saqarTvelos fex-<br />
burTis federaciaSi?<br />
_ federacia sakuTar Jurnalsa<br />
da gazeTs uSvebda. me Jurnalis<br />
redaqtori viyavi. yvelaferi<br />
federaciis saprezidento<br />
arCevnebis Semdeg Seicvala.<br />
_ ra moxda arCevnebis Sem-<br />
deg?<br />
_ axali xelmZRvaneloba sakuTari<br />
xedvebiTa da prioritetebiT<br />
movida. arCevnebidan daaxloebiT<br />
erT TveSi federaciis<br />
axalma prezidentma, levan<br />
kobiaSvilma, me da danarCeni<br />
Jurnalistebi Segvkriba da gamogvicxada,<br />
rom federacias<br />
finansuri problemebi hqonda<br />
da amis gamo Jurnali da gaze-<br />
Ti unda daxuruliyo. Sesabamisad,<br />
CvenTan kontraqtebi wydeboda.<br />
Tumca isic daamata,<br />
rom, mogvianebiT, federacias<br />
axali beWdviTi gamocema eqneboda.<br />
xelmZRvanelobis gadasawyvetia,<br />
vis gauSvebs samsaxuridan<br />
da vis daitovebs, Tumca<br />
samsaxuridan gaSvebis formasac<br />
gaaCnia. daaxloebiT 20<br />
weliwadia, qarTul fexburTSi<br />
var, kobiaSvilTan wlebis ganmavlobaSi<br />
normaluri, adamianuri<br />
urTierToba mqonda da<br />
vfiqrob, imis Rirsi viyavi, sakuTari<br />
gadawyvetilebis Sesaxeb<br />
calke ecnobebina da Cveni TanamSromloba<br />
ufro taqtiani<br />
formebiT Sewyvetiliyo. isicaa,<br />
rom federacia dafinansebas<br />
uefadan da fifadan iRebs da<br />
yovelTviuri Jurnalis gamoSveba<br />
misTvis didi finansuri<br />
tvirTi namdvilad ar aris, Sesabamisad,<br />
finansuri problemebi<br />
ver iqneboda TanamSromlobis<br />
Sewyvetis realuri mizezi.<br />
_ TqviT, kobiaSvili Seg-<br />
vpirda, federacias axali be-<br />
WdviTi gamocema eqnebao...<br />
_ diax, aman didi gaurkvevloba<br />
Seqmna, romelic sakmao<br />
xans gagrZelda. am periodis ganmavlobaSi<br />
kobiaSvils ramdenjerme<br />
piradad vkiTxe, Tu ra<br />
igegmeboda CemTan mimarTebiT?<br />
araerTxel miTxra, _ pasuxs mere<br />
getyvio. misgan maincdamainc<br />
dadebiT pasuxs arc velodi,<br />
ubralod, imedi mqonda, rom<br />
amjerad taqtianad mainc momeqceodnen,<br />
magram amaod... bolos<br />
miTxra, _ mediaproeqts axali<br />
xelmZRvaneli daeniSneba da is<br />
gadawyvets yvelaferso.<br />
_ kontraqtis SewyvetisTvis<br />
gaTvaliswinebuli kompensacia<br />
Tu miiReT?<br />
_ mxolod naxevari Tvis xelfasi<br />
gadamixades, rac sruliad<br />
usamarTlo gadawyvetileba<br />
iyo. advokatTan konsultaciebi<br />
gaviare, romelmac miTxra,<br />
rom ori Tvis xelfasi mekuTvnoda.<br />
_ sasamarTlos ar mima-<br />
rTeT?<br />
_ amerikaSi wasvlis win Cemi<br />
advokatis rekomendaciiT sasamarTloSi<br />
sarCeli Sevitane da<br />
advokats procesze dasaswrebad<br />
mindobiloba davutove, magram<br />
saqmis ganxilvas saSveli<br />
ar daadga. sxvaTa Soris, Cemi<br />
saqme bolo dros Zalian cnobil<br />
mosamarTle urTmeliZes<br />
miaweres. man procesic ki ar<br />
daniSna. erTi sityviT, saqme,<br />
romelic sakmaod martivi unda<br />
gamosuliyo, ase usasrulod<br />
gaiwela. sarCelis Setanidan,<br />
minimum, or TveSi unda dainiSnos<br />
saqmis ganxilva, _ ase miTxra<br />
Cemma advokatma, Tumca ori<br />
ki ara, ukve meoTxe Tvea, process<br />
ar niSnaven.<br />
_ bolomde brZolas<br />
apirebT?<br />
_ Tanxa, romelic federaciisgan<br />
mekuTvnis, ar gamamdidrebs,<br />
magram kuTvnili aucileblad<br />
unda miviRo. es principis<br />
sakiTxia!<br />
_ qarTul fexburTSi dRes<br />
mimdinare procesebs rogor<br />
afasebT?<br />
_ fexburTis federaciis<br />
axalma xelmZRvanelobam ganvi-<br />
Tarebis programa warmoadgina<br />
da vnaxoT, rogor ganaxorcielebs<br />
mas. ise, programis dawera<br />
rTuli saqme ar aris, mTavari<br />
misi realizebaa, saamisod<br />
ki swori gziT siarulia aucilebeli.<br />
_ xedavT dRes amis niSnebs?<br />
_ ra giTxraT?.. Tu fexbur-<br />
Tis federacia saxelmwifos darwmunebas<br />
SeZlebs, rom mTavari<br />
kerZo klubebis xelSewyoba da<br />
maTi momravlebaa, warmatebis<br />
Sansi gveqneba, winaaRmdeg Sem-<br />
TxvevaSi qarTuli fexburTi<br />
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daviT TavarTqilaZe da karl-hainc<br />
rumenige - evropis klubTa asociaciis<br />
prezidenti da miunxenis baiernis<br />
mmarTveli<br />
daviT TavarTqilaZe:<br />
`Tanxa, romelic<br />
federaciisgan<br />
mekuTvnis, ar<br />
gamamdidrebs,<br />
magram principis<br />
sakiTxia!~<br />
win ver wava. municipalitetebis<br />
Cempionats qarTuli fexbur-<br />
Tis winsvlisTvis azri ar aqvs.<br />
Tu qarTuli klubebis umetesoba<br />
isev municipaluri iqneba,<br />
amas is uaryofiTi mxarec aqvs,<br />
rom qarTuli fexburTis damoukideblobis<br />
xarisxi isev Zalian<br />
dabali iqneba da fexbur-<br />
Tis federaciis arCevnebSi yovelTvis<br />
xelisuflebis favoriti<br />
kandidati gaimarjvebs. SarSan<br />
gamarTuli sff-is arCevnebis<br />
win ramdenime municipalurma<br />
klubma sff-is wevroba<br />
moiTxova, federaciis arCevneb-<br />
Si Cvenc unda miviRoT monawileobao.<br />
rogorc me miTxres,<br />
yvela am klubma absoluturad<br />
`arCevnebidan daaxloebiT erT TveSi federaciis axalma prezidentma,<br />
levan kobiaSvilma, me da danarCeni Jurnalistebi Segvkriba da<br />
gamogvicxada, rom federacias finansuri problemebi hqonda da amis<br />
gamo Jurnali da gazeTi unda daxuruliyo. Sesabamisad, CvenTan<br />
kontraqtebi wydeboda. Tumca isic daamata, rom, mogvianebiT, federacias<br />
axali beWdviTi gamocema eqneboda. xelmZRvanelobis gadasawyvetia, vis<br />
gauSvebs samsaxuridan da vis daitovebs, Tumca samsaxuridan gaSvebis<br />
formasac gaaCnia. daaxloebiT 20 weliwadia, qarTul fexburTSi var,<br />
kobiaSvilTan wlebis ganmavlobaSi normaluri, adamianuri urTierToba<br />
mqonda da vfiqrob, imis Rirsi viyavi, sakuTari gadawyvetilebis Sesaxeb<br />
calke ecnobebina da Cveni TanamSromloba ufro taqtiani formebiT<br />
Sewyvetiliyo~<br />
identuri teqstiT mimarTa amis<br />
Taobaze federaciis wina xelmZRvanelobas.<br />
sainteresoa,<br />
manamde ratom ar iTxovdnen amas<br />
aseTi mondomebiT? sainteresoa<br />
isic, rom federaciis wevroba<br />
im municipalurma klubmac<br />
moiTxova, romelic ukve isedac<br />
iyo federaciis wevri. ra Tqma<br />
unda, yvelaferi naTeli iyo _<br />
yvela municipalitets undoda,<br />
xelisuflebisTvis esiamovnebina<br />
da misTvis sasurveli kandidatisTvis<br />
daeWira mxari.<br />
orma klubma, „dinamom” da<br />
„saburTalom”, winasaarCevno<br />
periodSi levan kobiaSvils Riad<br />
dauWira mxari da Sedegad,<br />
axal aRmaskomSi maTi araerTi<br />
warmomadgeneli Sevida. amis<br />
sapirispirod, „vit jorjias”<br />
prezidenti guram ruxaZe meore<br />
kandidatis, revaz arvelaZis<br />
momxre iyo da arCevnebis Semdeg<br />
yvelam „kuTvnili” miiRo. ruxaZe<br />
aRmaskomSi ver moxvda. swored<br />
ruxaZis pozicias vukav-<br />
Sireb imasac, rom mcxeTis stadioni,<br />
sadac misi „vit jorjia”<br />
TamaSobs, gaisad Casatarebeli<br />
evropis 19-wlamdelTa Cempionatis<br />
maspinZelTa siidan amoiRes<br />
da sxva stadioniT Caanacvles.<br />
evropis Cempionatis ma-<br />
tCebisTvis mcxeTasac rom<br />
emaspinZla, am qalaqis stadions<br />
rekonstruqcia Cautardeboda,<br />
rac „vit jorjiasTvis” didi<br />
Tanadgoma iqneboda.<br />
rac Seexeba „dinamos”, misi<br />
prezidenti roman fifia kobiaSvilis<br />
erT-erTi yvelaze aqtiuri<br />
mxardamWeri iyo, arada,<br />
wlebis winaT, fifias iq misvlamde,<br />
roca „dinamos” finansurad<br />
Zalian uWirda, arvelaZeebs<br />
klubis gadasarCenad saku-<br />
Tari fuli mihqondaT, Tanac<br />
ise, rom klubi maTi ar iyo...<br />
rogorme vasiamovnoT xelisuflebas,<br />
_ ZiriTadad es iyo<br />
kobiaSvilis mxardamWeris mizezi<br />
fexburTis federaciis prezidentis<br />
arCevnebSi. am Tvalsazrisis<br />
faqtebiT dadastureba<br />
Zneli ar aris da Tu vinmes<br />
polemikis survili aqvs, amisTvis<br />
mzad var.<br />
_ sakuTari momavali<br />
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ar esmis...<br />
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Tis federaciis prezidentis<br />
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Si?<br />
_ yvelam yvelaferi icis.<br />
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dros, lamis, mTeli dRis<br />
ganmavlobaSi qveynis vice-premieri<br />
kaxa kalaZe levan kobiaSvilis<br />
mxardamWerebs da uefas<br />
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me ar minaxavs, rom kalaZe arvelaZis<br />
mxardamWerebTanac misuliyo.<br />
arCevnebis wina dRes revaz<br />
arvelaZis mxardamWeri delegati<br />
daapatimres... sxva faqtebis<br />
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_ Cemi uflebebi irRveva rogorc<br />
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TanamSromlis mxridan, aseve samedicino<br />
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da me-3 dawesebulebis debulebis<br />
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sakanSi mqonoda nebismieri<br />
saxis dokumenti da visTanac metyviT,<br />
iq gavagzavnio. Sesabamisad,<br />
me mivawode adamianis uflebaTa<br />
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109-e brZaneba exeba gansakuTrebuli<br />
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Sedegia, rac dRes<br />
mWirs. inga surmaniZe dampirda,<br />
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saerTod aRar vapireb masTan<br />
saubars, Tu hgonia, es qveyana<br />
CaliT aris dafaruli, Zalian<br />
scdeba!<br />
muSaoben „nacionaluri” reJimis<br />
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awamebdnen da umowyalod scemdnen<br />
patimrebs. es Cven sakuTar<br />
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maqs Sulgati:<br />
_ eniT auwereli fsiqologiuri<br />
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rom buldozerma cxra saukune<br />
rom imuSaos, veraferi eSveleba.<br />
Cem mimarT gamoTqmuli muqarebis<br />
ganxorcielebis SemTxvevaSi<br />
moviTxov, sisxlis samarTlis<br />
umkacresi wesiT agos pasuxi<br />
#3 dawesebulebis administraciam<br />
direqtoris CaTvliT.<br />
`cixidan vadaze adre gasvla minda, myavs arasrulwlovani bavSvi da<br />
avamyofi deda. maT Cem garda patroni ar gaaCniaT. meuRles gaSorebuli<br />
var, is bavSvs yuradRebas ar aqcevs, dedaCems ki bavSvis Senaxva uWirs, mamac<br />
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Tedi jaxaia:<br />
_ cixis administracia patimrebs<br />
araadamianurad epyroba.<br />
Ramis 3:00 saaTze Semovida korpusis<br />
morige jgufi da gamaRvi-<br />
Za _ usafrTxo sakanSi unda<br />
gadagiyvanoTo. is usafrTxo sakani<br />
ki ara, sawamebeli sakania.<br />
wyali ar modis, sapirfareSo ar<br />
muSaobs, sibinZureSi iatakze agdixar,<br />
isini ki amiT erTobian.<br />
giwveven, xma amoiRo, rom ufro<br />
met xans gagaCeron am sakanSi.<br />
sanam iq viyavi, gverdiT sakanSi<br />
vaJa aburzania iyo, romelsac 6-<br />
7 TanamSromeli Seucvivda. eubnebodnen,<br />
pijaki gaexada, amis<br />
gamo xan iatakze artymevines Tavi,<br />
xan kedelze, mere wixlebiT<br />
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xelborkilebiT daabes da ase<br />
datoves iatakze dagdebuli.<br />
cota xnis Semdeg erT-erTi TanamSromeli<br />
„karmuSkas” mal-male<br />
aRebda da aginebda. aseTi SemTxvevebi<br />
Zalian bevria. Cems sakan-<br />
Si imyofeba Tornike vardaniZe,<br />
fexi aqvs saoperacio da gamayu-<br />
Cebeli nemsi moiTxova, amis gamo<br />
karcerSi Casves. yuradRebas<br />
zurab xaCiZe:<br />
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viTxov gamokvlevebis Catarebas,<br />
magram dapireba dapirebad rCeba.<br />
mTavari eqimi inga surmaniZe<br />
arakvalificiuri adamiania. ra<br />
gaxda erTi iseTi eqimi, romelic<br />
patimarTa satkivars gulTan<br />
axlos miitans?! Cveni yofis Sesaxeb<br />
uamravjer mivwereT sasjelaRsrulebis<br />
ministr kaxa kaxiSvils,<br />
magram aranairi reagireba<br />
ar mohyolia. Tavis TanamSromlebs<br />
mwvane Suqs unTebs. aba,<br />
ras unda davabralo is, rom cixis<br />
TanamSromlebi gveubnebian, _<br />
eg Tqveni saCivrebi wereT da<br />
ikiTxeTo.<br />
zviad gvelukaSvili, levan<br />
kaxniaSvili, giga kekua:<br />
_ samedicino personali araadamianurad<br />
gveqceva da im medikamentebs<br />
ar gvaZlevs, romelic<br />
eqimis daniSnulebiT gvaqvs gamowerili.<br />
saakaSvilis reJimi gamoviareT<br />
da rogor SeiZleba,<br />
janmrTeloba gvqondes SenarCunebuli?!<br />
Cveni tkivilebi gausa-<br />
Zlisia. am dawesebulebaSi rom<br />
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XXI saukunea da yovel Rame ismis<br />
patimarTa ganwiruli xmebi. Ti-<br />
Tqmis yvela patimars akrZaluli<br />
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giorgi murvelaSvili, gior-<br />
gi marsagiSvili, giorgi JRenti:<br />
_ Cven mimarT wameba grZeldeba,<br />
ris Sesaxebac sasjelaRsrulebis<br />
departaments araerTxel<br />
vacnobeT. am dawesebulebaSi<br />
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arsebobs 4 vandaluri karceri,<br />
sadac sruliad umizezod gvaTavseben<br />
cixis direqtoris mixeil<br />
kandelakis, misi moadgile soso<br />
mazmiSvilis, usafrTxoebis ufrosis<br />
beqa gagniZisa da reJimis<br />
ufrosis daviT SatakiSvilis davalebiT.<br />
es adamianebi Cven mimarT<br />
agresiiT gamoirCevian. mZimed<br />
varT daavadebulni, magram<br />
aranairi yuradReba ar gveqceva,<br />
ris gamoc Cveni janmrTeloba<br />
uaresdeba.<br />
badri svaniSvili _ rusTavis<br />
#6 dawesebuleba:<br />
_ sasjels vixdi 2005 wlidan.<br />
am periodSi Cem mimarT arasa-<br />
Tanado mopyrobis safuZvelze<br />
2007 wels marcxena filtvis sveli<br />
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ar Camtarebia. 2009 wels,<br />
wamebis Sedegad, Cemi janmrTelobis<br />
mdgomareoba kritikul<br />
zRvramde mivida. 2012-2013 wleb-<br />
Si gamokvlevebi Camitarda da<br />
uamravi daavadeba damidginda.<br />
operaciac gavikeTe. bevrjer<br />
mivwere departamentis xelmZRvanel<br />
TamTa demuriSvils, rom<br />
naxevrad Ria tipis dawesebulebaSi<br />
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uars meubneba im mizeziT,<br />
TiTqos Cemi janmrTeloba dinamikaSia.<br />
2017 wels sasjelis moxdis<br />
vada mimTavrdeba da ar minda,<br />
Cemi sococxle fatalurad<br />
dasruldes. arc advokatis ayvanis<br />
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rom Cemi uflebebi daicvas. ar<br />
mitardeba adekvaturi samedicino<br />
momsaxureba, es xdeba mizanmimarTulad,<br />
Cemi sicocxlis ganzrax<br />
xelyofa surT. garda amisa,<br />
e. w. vandaluri saknebidan patimrebis<br />
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dawesebulebis TanamSromelTa<br />
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departamenti da saministro<br />
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RaziaSi mxolod 170-lariani<br />
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sazogadoebas gaagebinoT, dResac<br />
ra araadamianur pirobebSi<br />
vixdiT sasjels.<br />
romik kasianovi:<br />
_ „nacionalurma reJimma” mawama.<br />
maT SekrebiTobis principiT<br />
37 weli da 8 Tve momisajes. „ocnebis”<br />
mier gamocemuli amnistiis<br />
Sedegad sasjelis erTi meo-<br />
Txedi momexsna da damrCa 26 weli<br />
da 6 Tve, Tumca dRemde sasjels<br />
ukanonod vixdi. vis ar mivmarTe,<br />
magram pasuxs aravin<br />
mcems. maincdamainc „ocnebaSi”<br />
unda myavdes vinme, romelime<br />
ministris an parlamentaris naTesavi<br />
unda viyo, rom samarTali<br />
vipovo?!<br />
kukuri nozaZe _ qsnis #15<br />
dawesebuleba:<br />
_ ukanono patimari var, dakavebis<br />
dRidan Cemi advokatebi mamuka<br />
nozaZe da naTia korkotaZe<br />
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araferi gamodis. rogorc Cans,<br />
Zalian didi usamarTloba sufevs<br />
yvela samarTaldamcvel organoSi.<br />
dRes Cem gverdiT araer-<br />
Ti patimaria, romelic sasjels<br />
usamarTlod ixdis. Cemi mizania,<br />
bolomde vibrZolo da ukanono<br />
patimrobidan gavTavisuflde.<br />
daisajon is policielebi, romlebic<br />
ukanonod momeqcnen.<br />
ioseb azalaZe _ rusTavis<br />
#17 dawesebuleba:<br />
_ xelT maqvs is sabuTebi, romelic<br />
damexmareba, rom am dawesebulebidan<br />
vadaze adre gavide.<br />
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miviRe, araviTari dar-<br />
Rveva ar gamaCnia. eka beselias<br />
vTxove Sexvedra, magram arc<br />
TviTon movida da arc warmomadgeneli<br />
gamoagzavna, Cemi gasaWiris<br />
Sesaxeb momeyola, rom avadmyofi<br />
var. cixidan vadaze adre<br />
gasvla minda, myavs arasrulwlovani<br />
bavSvi da avamyofi deda.<br />
maT Cem garda patroni ar gaaCniaT.<br />
meuRles gaSorebuli var,<br />
is bavSvs yuradRebas ar aqcevs,<br />
dedaCems ki bavSvis Senaxva uWirs,<br />
mamac invalidia da muSaoba<br />
ar SeuZlia. viRas mivmarTo, aRar<br />
vici, iqneb, es ambavi gaaxmauroT,<br />
rom Cemnair adamianebs<br />
raRac eSvelos.<br />
N23(154) 28.6-4.7.2016 w.<br />
294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com<br />
Teimuraz bregaZe _ gldanis<br />
#8 dawesebuleba:<br />
_ uvado patimari gaxlavarT.<br />
am werils imitom gwerT, rom motyuebuli<br />
msjavrdadebulebis<br />
saxeliT Tqveni meSveobiT davusvaT<br />
SekiTxvebi umravlesobis<br />
deputatebs. qalbatono eka da batono<br />
gedevan, Tqven ramdenjerme<br />
iyaviT Semosuli da ganmarteT,<br />
rom amnistiis Sesaxeb kanonSi,<br />
rbilad rom vTqvaT, Secdoma<br />
moxda, uvado patimrebs rom ar<br />
Seexo sasjelis erTi meoTxediT<br />
ganaxevrebao. 4 weli gadis da arc<br />
axla Cans Sedegi. qalbatoni xalvaSis<br />
TxovniT ki gauSviT uvado<br />
patimari, rogorc politpatimari.<br />
Tqven xom is xalxi iyaviT, rom<br />
gvpirdebodiT, yvelaferi mogvardeboda?!<br />
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gaeciT pasuxi uvado msjavrdadebulebs!<br />
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`qronika+“<br />
saqarTvelos<br />
sasjelaRsrulebisa da probaciis<br />
saministros daukavSir-<br />
da. komentars ucvleli saxiT<br />
gTavazobT:<br />
- sasjelaRsrulebisa da probaciis<br />
saministro acxadebs, rom<br />
penitenciur sistemaSi moTavsebuli<br />
yvela braldebuli/msjavrdadebuli<br />
kanoniT miniWebuli<br />
`sicocxlis xelyofiT memuqrebian, romelsac, maTive TqmiT, ise<br />
aRasruleben, TiTqos Tavi movikali, Semdeg ki Cem Sesaxeb ararsebul<br />
konfidencialur informacias gaavrceleben. maTi sityvebi rom gavimeoro,<br />
imdenad Rrma fekaliis fenebSi damarxaven Cems saxelsa da Rirsebas, rom<br />
buldozerma cxra saukune rom imuSaos, veraferi eSveleba. Cem mimarT<br />
gamoTqmuli muqarebis ganxorcielebis SemTxvevaSi moviTxov, sisxlis<br />
samarTlis umkacresi wesiT agos pasuxi N3 dawesebulebis administraciam<br />
direqtoris CaTvliT~<br />
uflebebiT sargeblobs; daculia<br />
TiToeuli maTganis usafrTxoeba<br />
da uzrunvelyofilia<br />
saTanado samedicino servisebiT.<br />
baTumis N3 dawesebulebis<br />
msjavrdadebul k.m.-s pretenzia<br />
samedicino momsaxurebasTan,<br />
aseve misi janmrTelobis mdgomareobis<br />
dokumentaciis miwodebasTan<br />
dakaSirebiT, usafuZvloa.<br />
sakuTari janmrTelobis mdgomareobis<br />
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damowmebuli aslebi<br />
mTavari eqimis mier mas<br />
31.05.2016 wels gadaeca. rac Seexeba<br />
samedicino momsaxurebas,<br />
k.m. sasjelis moxdis periodSi<br />
araerTxel aris konsultirebuli<br />
Sesabamisi eqim-specialistis<br />
mier, Catarebuli aqvs araerTi<br />
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mier. aseve, gaukeTda sxvadasxva<br />
organos eqoskopia, elastografia,<br />
Cautarda rentgenologiuri<br />
da kompiuteruli kvlevebi,<br />
analizebi. rentgenografiisTvis<br />
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saavadmyofoSic iyo gayvanili.<br />
diagnozebisa da gamokvlevebis<br />
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msjavrdadebuli samedicino<br />
momsaxurebaze xSirad acxadebs<br />
uars, aseve, zogjer, ar iRebs<br />
daniSnulebiT gansazRvrul<br />
medikamentebs. k.m.-s amJamad utardeba<br />
medikamenturi mkurnaloba.<br />
misi janmrTelobis<br />
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da probaciis samedicino<br />
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msjavrdadebuli f.j. penitenciur<br />
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imyofeba. sasjelis moxdis<br />
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N19 samkurnalo da sareabilitacio<br />
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ki - audiologis erovnul centrSi<br />
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kvlevebi,<br />
gul-mkerdis rentgenografia da<br />
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msjavrdebuli uars<br />
acxadebda analizis Catarebaze<br />
da erTxel sakuTari survili-<br />
Tac Sewyvita mkurnalobis kursi.<br />
am etapze, f.j-s daniSnuli<br />
aqvs da miewodeba specialistis<br />
mier rekomendebuli medikamenturi<br />
mkurnaloba.<br />
rac Seexeba N3 dawesebulebis<br />
wyalmomaragebis sakiTxs,<br />
dawesebulebas wyali qalaq ba-<br />
TumSi arsebuli wyalmomaragebis<br />
grafikis Sesabamisad miewodeba<br />
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sasjelaRsrulebisa da probaciis<br />
saministros kompetencias.<br />
higienis dacvisTvis aucilebel<br />
nivTebTan dakavSirebiT ki<br />
sasjelarsrulebisa da probaciis<br />
saministro aRniSnavs, rom<br />
msjavrdadebulebs SeuZliaT<br />
maTTvis saWiro nivTebi SeukveTon<br />
dawesebulebis maRaziaSi<br />
da misi adgilze mitana uzrunvelyofili<br />
iqneba.<br />
msjavrdadebul z.g.-s sasjelis<br />
moxdis periodSi araerTxel<br />
gaewia samedicino momsaxureba.<br />
kerZod, Catarebuli aqvs<br />
ojaxis eqimis, fsiqiatrisa da<br />
nevrologis konsultacia, Rvi-<br />
Zlis funqcia, saWiro analizebi,<br />
kliniko-laboratoriuli da<br />
instrumentuli gamokvlevebi.<br />
am droisTvis igi daniSnulebiT<br />
gansazRvrul mkurnalobis<br />
kurss gadis.<br />
msjavrdadebulma l.k.-m ki,<br />
sasjelis moxdis periodSi, araerTxel<br />
gaiara mkurnalobis kursi<br />
rogorc sasjelaRsrulebis<br />
N 18 da N19 samkurnalo dawesebulebebSi,<br />
aseve, samoqalaqo seqtoris<br />
klinikebSi: RuduSauris<br />
erovnul samedicino centrSi,<br />
filtvis daavadebaTa erovnul<br />
samedicino centrSi da baTumis<br />
respublikur saavadmyofoSi. mas<br />
Catarebuli aqvs kliniko-diagnostikuri<br />
kvlevebi, gul-mkerdis<br />
kompiuteruli tomografia,<br />
laparatomia, sineqiolizi, gulmkerdis<br />
gradacia, qirurgiuli<br />
mkurnaloba - Tiaqarplastika,<br />
laboratoriuli da instrumentuli<br />
kvlevebi, maT Soris, spirometria,<br />
muclis Rrus mimoxilviTi<br />
rentgenografia. igi sasjelis<br />
moxdis periodSi aseve konsultirebulia<br />
ftiziatris,<br />
Torakoqirurgis, qirurgis, reanimatologis,<br />
urologis, nevrologis<br />
da fsiqiatris mier. am<br />
etapze l.k.-s janmrTelobis<br />
mdgomareoba damakmayofilebelia.<br />
rac Seexeba msjavrdadebul<br />
g.k.-s, is sasjelaRsrulebis dawesebulebaSi<br />
2013 wlis 10 ianvars<br />
Sevida. sasjelis moxdis periodSi<br />
mas araerTxel gaewia samedicino<br />
momsaxureba. konkretulad,<br />
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Cautarda ojaxis eqimis, morige<br />
eqimis, ofTalmologisa da dermatologis<br />
konsultaciebi, aseve<br />
daigegma stomatologis konsultacia,<br />
razec msjavrdadebulma<br />
Tavad ganacxada uari. g.k.-<br />
s Catarebuli aqvs tuberkulozis<br />
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am saqmidan, Semdeg<br />
TveSi erTxel mivsuliyavi<br />
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radgan momavali ar aqvT,<br />
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mirekavs. raRac xmebi mesmoda,<br />
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roman cercvaZe<br />
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da iciT, rom arc meSinia-meTqi. _<br />
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rac vTqvi, gazeTSi is daweres,<br />
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yovel wertilsa da mZimes-meTqi.<br />
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aris erovnuli adamiani da mxari<br />
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es xuTiani Tqven Zalian giyvarTo.<br />
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pirvel Sexvedraze bevr<br />
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rodesac uSiSroebaSi vmuSaobdiT,<br />
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Si gedeqiT da<br />
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cercvaZisgan gia gvazavasTan Sexvedris<br />
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iam moifiqra da mere Sen iZulebuli<br />
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TiTqos 12 wlis Camouyalibebeli<br />
bavSvi viyavi. bolos meubneba,<br />
_ icode, SenTan saxlSi<br />
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_ daaxloebiT vici, rac igulisxma.<br />
mamakaci var da SeiZleba,<br />
piradi cxovrebidan raRacebi<br />
gamomiqeqon, damaSantaJon, SeTxzaven<br />
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es adamiani CemiT cdilobs<br />
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xelis Sexocva unda da amas<br />
aravis vapatieb, miuxedavad warsulisa<br />
da kargi mogonebebisa.<br />
warmoidgineT, marTla rom avyve<br />
mis laparaks, jer es ra kacobaa<br />
da axla soxumSi xom verasodes<br />
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miTxra pirveli Sexvedris dros?<br />
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saomar moqmedebebSi monawileobda.<br />
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erTaderT cocxal xelmZRvanels,<br />
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soxumels, rogorc<br />
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CemTvis auxsnelia, sadamde Sei-<br />
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mowmed gardacvlili TanamebrZoli<br />
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am mimoxilvis kiTxvisas<br />
evropis Cempionatis rvave<br />
meoTxedfinalistis vinaoba<br />
gecodinebaT. kontinentis<br />
pirveloba gadamwyvet faza-<br />
Si Sevida, sanaxaoba ki<br />
sagrZnoblad gaumjobesda.<br />
gansakuTrebiT nayofieri<br />
kvira dRe iyo, sadac<br />
wyvilebis favoritebma ux-<br />
vgolian matCebSi imarjves.<br />
B jgufi<br />
slovakeTi-inglisi 0:0<br />
slovakebs jgufidan gasasvlelad<br />
frec hyofnidaT, ingliselebs<br />
ki mervedfinalSi TamaSi<br />
marTalia, dabevebuli hqondaT, magram<br />
pirvelobisTvis gamarjveba<br />
sWirdebodaT. rogorc xedavT, mizans<br />
slovakebma uwies, roi hojsonis<br />
gundi ki kvartetSi meore adgils<br />
dasjerda.<br />
safrangeTSi<br />
sasikvdilo<br />
bade moiqsova<br />
ruseTi-uelsi 0:3<br />
golebi: 0:1 remsi (11), 0:2 n.<br />
teilori (20), 0:3 beili (67)<br />
wina or SexvedraSi naCvenebi<br />
ususuri fexburTis miuxedavad,<br />
rusebs mainc rCebodaT sapleiofo<br />
Sansi, saamisod ki uelselebis damarcxeba<br />
marTebdaT. Tumca gareT<br />
beilma da kompaniam Tavidanve gvi-<br />
Cvenes, rom Cveni Crdiloeli mezoblis<br />
perspeqtiva oden iluzoruli<br />
iyo. britanelebma uamravi<br />
sagole momenti gaacudes, Torem<br />
gacilebiT STambeWdavi sxvaobiT<br />
moigebdnen. inglisTan gancdili<br />
marcxis miuxedavad uelsma jgufuri<br />
etapi pirvel poziciaze<br />
daasrula.<br />
jgufis saboloo saturniro<br />
mdgomareoba: 1. uelsi – 6 qula,<br />
2. inglisi – 5, 3. slovakeTi – 4,<br />
4. ruseTi – 1.<br />
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C jgufi<br />
Crd. irlandia-germania 0:1<br />
goli: 0:1 gomesi (29)<br />
uferulad moTamaSe mario giotces<br />
nacvlad germanelTa Tavkacma<br />
ioahim liovma sastarto SemadgenlobaSi<br />
mario gomesi gaamwesa<br />
da arc Semcdara – Crdiloirlandielebs<br />
gamarjvebis goli swored<br />
gomesma gautana. germaniam<br />
Zalebis dazogviT gaimarjva, britanelebma<br />
ki imis miuxedavad, rom<br />
mxolod sam qulas mouyares Tavi,<br />
mainc Seabijes mervedfinalSi.<br />
ukraina-poloneTi 0:1<br />
goli: 0:1 blaSCikovski (54)<br />
ukrainelebma karic ver gaijaxunes<br />
da evropis Cempionats uqulod<br />
daemSvidobnen. poloneTis<br />
nakrebma, marTalia, Svid qulas mouyara<br />
Tavi, magram mainc meore pozicias<br />
dasjerda, radgan germanias<br />
burTebis ukeTesi sxvaoba hqonda.<br />
jgufis saboloo saturniro<br />
mdgomareoba: 1. germania – 7, 2.<br />
poloneTi – 7, 3. Crd. irlandia<br />
– 3, 4. ukraina – 0.<br />
D jgufi<br />
xorvatia-espaneTi 2:1<br />
golebi: 0:1 morata (7), 1:1<br />
kaliniCi (45), 2:1 periSiCi (87)<br />
plei ofSi TamaSi orive gunds<br />
dabevebuli hqonda, gasarkvevi<br />
mxolod is iyo, vin ipirvelebda.<br />
saamisod espanelebs frec hyofnidaT,<br />
magram eqsperimentuli SemadgenlobiT<br />
moTamaSe xorvatebTan<br />
moulodnelad waages. am marcxiT<br />
espaneTi mervedfinalSi italias<br />
gadaeyara, riTac evro 2012-is finali<br />
ganmeorda.<br />
CexeTi-TurqeTi 0:2<br />
golebi: 0:1 biraq ilmazi (10), 0:2<br />
ozan Tufani (65)<br />
TiTqos gamarjvebis meti Sansi<br />
Cexebs unda hqonodaT, magram wina<br />
or SexvedraSi saSinlad moTamaSe<br />
Turqebma es matCi aRmavlobiT Caatares.<br />
samquliani TurqeTis nakrebi<br />
mervedfinalSi gasvlis Sanss<br />
jgufuri etapis bolomde inar-<br />
Cunebda, magram, sabolood, oTx<br />
saukeTeso mesameadgilosans Soris<br />
ver moxvda.<br />
jgufis saboloo saturniro<br />
mdgomareoba: 1. xorvatia – 7, 2.<br />
espaneTi – 6, 3. TurqeTi – 3, 4.<br />
CexeTi – 1.<br />
E jgufi<br />
SvedeTi-belgia 0:1<br />
goli: 0:1 naingolani (84)<br />
SvedeTs jgufidan gasasvlelad<br />
mxolod gamarjveba hyofnida,<br />
magram matCi favoritma moigo.<br />
uferulad mimdinare TamaSis er-<br />
TaderTi naTeli wertili raja<br />
naingolanis efeqturi goli iyo.<br />
amiT zlatan ibrahimoviCis sanakrebo<br />
kariera dasrulda.<br />
italia-irlandia 0:1<br />
goli: 0:1 breidi (85)<br />
italias bolo turis win araTu<br />
mervedfinali, jgufSi pirvelobac<br />
garantirebuli hqonda da amitomac<br />
skuadra aZuras mTavarma<br />
mwvrTnelma antonio kontem, faqtobrivad,<br />
mTeli ZiriTadi Semadgenloba<br />
daasvena. metoqis dasustebiT<br />
kargad isargebla irlandiam<br />
da matCis miwuruls uZvirfasesi<br />
goli gaitana. robi breidis<br />
golma saukeTeso mesameadgilosnebSi<br />
irlandia Seiyvana da Turqe-<br />
Ti Sin gaistumra.<br />
jgufis saboloo saturniro<br />
mdgomareoba: 1. italia – 6, 2. belgia<br />
– 6, 3. irlandia – 4, 4. Svede-<br />
Ti – 1.<br />
F jgufi<br />
ungreTi-portugalia 3:3<br />
golebi: 1:0 gera (19), 1:1 nani (42),<br />
2:1 jujaki (47), 2:2 ronaldu (50),<br />
3:2 jujaki (55), 3:3 ronaldu (62)<br />
ungreTi samjer dawinaurda,<br />
portugaliam ki samivejer gaaTanabra.<br />
ase dasrulda Trileri, sadac,<br />
sabolood, friT orive gundi<br />
kmayofili darCa. ungreTma mervedfinalSi<br />
pirveli adgiliT Seabija,<br />
portugaliam ki mesame adgiliTa<br />
da sami friT.<br />
islandia-avstria 2:1<br />
golebi: 1:0 biovarsoni (18), 1:1<br />
Siopfi (60), 2:1 traustasoni (90)<br />
msajis mier damatebul meoTxe<br />
wuTze gatanili goliT islandiam<br />
evropis Cempionatze pirveli gamarjveba<br />
izeima da kvartetSi meore<br />
safexuri daikava. avstrielebma ki,<br />
romlebsac jgufidan gasvlas uwinaswarmetyvelebdnen,<br />
erTaderTi<br />
quliT bolo adgili daikaves. am<br />
matCma sabolood Camoayaliba<br />
plei ofis saturniro bade, sadac<br />
evropis Cempionatis yvela favoriti<br />
erT mxares moxvda.<br />
jgufis saboloo saturniro<br />
mdgomareoba: 1. ungreTi – 5, 2.<br />
islandia – 5, 3. portugalia – 3,<br />
4. avstria – 1.<br />
mervedfinali<br />
Sveicaria-poloneTi 1:1<br />
penaltebiT: 3:5<br />
golebi: 0:1 blaSCikovski (39), 1:1<br />
Saqiri (82)<br />
am matCSi Cempionatis, jerjerobiT,<br />
saukeTeso goli gavida –<br />
Sveicarielma Serdan Saqirim sajarimos<br />
xazidan polonelTa kari<br />
`makratelaTi~ dalaSqra. aman TamaSi<br />
damatebiT droSi gadaiyvana,<br />
sadac Saqiri da misi Tanagundelebi<br />
ukeT gamoiyurebodnen, magram<br />
saqme matCisSemdgom penaltebamde<br />
mivida. iq erTaderTi dartyma<br />
Sveicarielma granit jakam gaacuda<br />
da meoTxedfinalSi polonelebi<br />
gavidnen.<br />
uelsi-CrdiloeT irlandia 1:0<br />
goli: 1:0 makoli (75. sak. karSi)<br />
britanul derbiSi favoritebad<br />
uelselebi miiCneodnen da maT<br />
gamarjvebas miaRwies kidec, magram<br />
meoTxedfinalis sagzuri iolad<br />
ar mosula. yvelaferi, isev da isev,<br />
gareT beilma gadawyvita, romlis<br />
gamWol gadacemasac avtogoli<br />
mohyva.<br />
xorvatia-portugalia 0:0<br />
damatebiT droSi: 0:1<br />
goli: 0:1 kvareJma (117)<br />
matCi, romelic, wesiT, sanaxaobrivi<br />
unda gamosuliyo, metismetad<br />
mosawyeni gamodga. orive gundma<br />
sakuTari karis usafrTxoebaze<br />
gaakeTa aqcenti da damatebiTi<br />
drois miwurulamde saintereso<br />
araferi gvinaxavs. samagierod, 117-<br />
e wuTze namdvili drama ganviTarda<br />
– xorvatebma, rogorc iqna,<br />
didi ZalebiT Seteva gariskes da<br />
burTi metoqis karis Zels moartyes,<br />
sapasuxo kontrSetevisas<br />
kriStianu ronaldus dartyma<br />
mekarem moigeria, damatebaze ki<br />
yvelas rikardo kvareJmam daaswro<br />
da mTeli xorvatia daamwuxra.<br />
safrangeTi-irlandia 2:1<br />
golebi: 0:1 breidi (2. pen.), 1:1<br />
grizmani (57), 2:1 grizmani (61)<br />
matCi irlandielebma daiwyes<br />
da umal moipoves TerTmetmetrianis<br />
Sesrulebis ufleba, romelic<br />
golad aqcies. frangebi mZime<br />
mdgomareobaSi Cavardnen, magram<br />
Sesvenebis Semdeg rTul misias<br />
Tavi gaarTves da damsaxurebulad<br />
imarjves. rogorc iqna, antuan<br />
grizmanma gaibrwyina, romelmac<br />
dubliT TavisianTa gamarjvebaSi<br />
lomis wili daido.<br />
gverdi moamzada<br />
levan janezaSvilma<br />
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germania-slovakeTi 3:0<br />
golebi: 1:0 boatengi (8), 2:1 gomesi<br />
(43), 3:0 draqsleri (63)<br />
germanelebma aq ukve maqsimaluri<br />
siCqareebi CarTes da SesvenebisTvis<br />
slovakebs Semdeg etapze gasvlaze<br />
ukve Caqneuli hqondaT<br />
xeli. mario gomesma mwvrTnels<br />
kvlav gaumarTla, msoflios moqmedi<br />
Cempionebi ki jerom boatengis<br />
ulamazesi goliT dawinaurdnen.<br />
erTi sityviT, bundesgundma favoritis<br />
Sesaferisi fexburTi gvi-<br />
Cvena.<br />
ungreTi-belgia 0:4<br />
golebi: 0:1 alderveireldi (10),<br />
0:2 baSTuai (78), 0:3 azari (79), 0:4<br />
karasko (90)<br />
belgiis nakrebi mimdinare Cempionatze<br />
erTaderTi gundia, romelmac<br />
erT matCSi oTxi golis<br />
gatana SeZlo. pirvel turSi italiasTan<br />
gancdili marcxis Semdeg<br />
mark vilmotsis gundi TamaSidan<br />
TamaSamde umatebs da sulac ar<br />
unda gamovricxoT, rom marTlac<br />
iqces turniris aRmoCenad.<br />
wuxel<br />
italia-espaneTi<br />
inglisi-islandia<br />
meoTxedfinali<br />
30 ivnisi, 23:00 poloneTi-portugalia<br />
1-li ivlisi, 23:00 uelsi-bel-<br />
gia<br />
2 ivlisi, 23:00 germania-ital-<br />
ia/espaneTi<br />
3 ivlisi, 23:00 safrangeTi-in-<br />
glisi/islandia
`morCa, nakrebidan mivdivar, es<br />
saboloo gadawyvetilebaa. nakrebTan<br />
erTad ukve meoTxe finali<br />
wavage. Zalian mindoda argentinis<br />
saxeliT titulis mopoveba,<br />
magram, samwuxarod, ver SevZe-<br />
li~, _ Tqva argentinis nakrebis<br />
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axla ki gundma kontinentis<br />
saukeTeso gundis wodeba espaneli<br />
xuan antonio picis me-<br />
TaurobiT SeinarCuna.<br />
brinjaos medlebs kolumbia<br />
daeufla, romelmac mesame adgilsTvis<br />
matCSi maspinZlebs minimalurad<br />
ajoba.<br />
ase dasrulda aSS-Si mimdinare<br />
kopa amerikas riggareSe gaTamaSeba,<br />
romelsac turniris aswlovani<br />
iubiles gamo kopa sentenario ewoda.<br />
argentinis nakrebi, SarSandelis<br />
msgavsad, finalSi CilesTan<br />
damarcxda da isev matCisSemdgomi<br />
penaltebis seriiT. mesim ki am ori<br />
finalis garda, argentinis nakrebTan<br />
erTad kidev erTi kopa amerikisa<br />
da rac mTavaria, msoflios<br />
2014 wlis Cempionatis finali<br />
waago. ase dasrulda Tanamedroveobis<br />
erT-erTi udidesi fexburTelis<br />
sanakrebo kariera, romelsac<br />
wlebis Semdeg oponentebi yove-<br />
waago, mesi<br />
nakrebidan<br />
wavida<br />
lTvis wamoaZaxeben, rom nakrebTan<br />
erTad veraferi moigo. es ki nebismieri<br />
legendaruli fexburTelisTvis,<br />
romelsac yvela drois<br />
erT-erT udiadesobaze aqvs pretenzia,<br />
marTlac gvariani minusia.<br />
ar gamoricxaven, rom, mesis msgavsad,<br />
nakrebis maisuri aRar Caicvas<br />
argentinis nakrebis kidev<br />
ramdenime varskvlavma – anxel di<br />
mariam, ezekil lavecim, gonsalo<br />
iguainma da sxvebma. marTalia, TerTmetmetrianis<br />
seriaSi mesim da<br />
lukas biliam ver ivarges, magram<br />
finalis antigmiris wodebas iguaini<br />
aranakleb imsaxurebs –<br />
rogorc sCvevia, amjeradac ramdenime<br />
sagole Sansi gaatana qars.<br />
brwyinvale iyo CilelTa karis<br />
daraji, ‘barselonaSi~ mesis Tanagundeli<br />
klaudio bravo, romelmac<br />
Tavisi gundis kari araerTxel<br />
ixsna.<br />
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San maT kopa amerika istoriaSi<br />
pirvelad moiges da bevrma es Sinauri<br />
kedlebis damsaxurebad miiCnia,<br />
magram rogorc xedavT, aleqsis<br />
sanCesi, arturo vidali da<br />
maTi Tanagundelebi mxolod Sin<br />
kopa amerika.<br />
finali<br />
Cile-argentina 0:0<br />
penaltebiT: 4:2<br />
Cile: bravo, xara, vidali, isla,<br />
diasi, fuensalida (puxi 80), medeli,<br />
vargasi (kastilio 109), arangisi,<br />
boseJuri, aleqsis sanCesi<br />
(fransisko silva 104)<br />
mwvrTneli: xuan antonio pici<br />
argentina: romero, merkado,<br />
otamendi, roxo, mori, maskerano,<br />
bilia, di maria (kraneviteri 57),<br />
banega (lamela 111), mesi, iguaini<br />
(aguero 70)<br />
mwvrTneli: xerardo martino<br />
gafrTxileba: diasi, vidali,<br />
boseJuri, arangisi _ maskerano,<br />
mesi, kraneviteri<br />
gaZeveba: diasi (28), roxo (43)<br />
msaji: heber lopesi (brazilia)<br />
penaltebis seria: 0:0 vidali<br />
(mekare), 0:0 mesi (aacila), 1:0 kastilio,<br />
1:1 maskerano, 2:1 arangisi,<br />
2:2 aguero, 3:2 boseJuri, 3:2<br />
bilia (mekare), 4:2 fransisko silva<br />
matCi mesame adgilisTvis<br />
aSS-kolumbia 0:1<br />
goli: 0:1 baka (31)<br />
borjRalosnebma okeaneTis<br />
turne gamarjvebiT daasrules<br />
borjRalosnebma okeaneTis istoriuli,<br />
pirveli turne daumarcxeblad<br />
CaamTavres. samoasT-<br />
an fred damTavrebuli matCis<br />
Semdeg (19:19) Cvenma nakrebma ton-<br />
gas bolo wuTze dadebuli lel-<br />
oTi 23:20 ajoba, bolos ki 2016<br />
wlis wynari okeanis Tasis gamarjvebul<br />
fijis 11-quliani sxvaobiT,<br />
14:3 mougo da rogorc fi-<br />
nalur matCamde borjRalosanTa<br />
axalzelandieli Tavkaci, milton<br />
heigi gvpirdeboda, biWebma yve-<br />
laferi gaakeTes imisaTvis, rom<br />
qarTuli ragbis istoriaSi axali<br />
gverdi CaeweraT.<br />
„dRevandeli gamarjveba, rogorc<br />
calke aRebuli Sedegi, Zalze<br />
mniSvnelovania CvenTvis. magram es<br />
turne imiT iyo gamosarCevi, rom<br />
Cven imis gakeTeba SevZeliT, rac<br />
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gverdi moamzada levan janezaSvilma<br />
kunZulebze da gavimarjveT seriaSi.<br />
amis Sesaxeb martSic ki vsaubrobdiT<br />
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istoria Segveqmna. okeaneTSi zafxulis<br />
testebis daumarcxeblad dasruleba<br />
didi miRwevaa, romelic<br />
Tavdajerebulobas Segvmatebs, ra-<br />
Ta zrda da ganviTareba ganvagr-<br />
ZoT. yvelas vulocav suliTa da<br />
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oTxi kviris ganmavlobaSi<br />
uklebliv yvelam dRe da Rame imuSava~,<br />
_ ganacxada namatCevs milton<br />
heigma.<br />
okeaneTis turneze warmatebuli<br />
gamosvlis Sedegad, saqarTvelos<br />
nakrebma rekordi daamyara da<br />
Tu aqamde Cveni waugebeli matCebis<br />
seria Svids Seadgenda, axla is<br />
cxramde gaizarda _ mogeba namibiasTan<br />
2015 wlis msoflio Tasze,<br />
xuTi gamarjveba ragbi evropis<br />
Cempionatze, fre samoasTan da miyolebiT<br />
damarcxebuli tonga da<br />
fiji.<br />
testseriisa da uSualod fijisTan<br />
matCis Sedegi saqarTvelos<br />
nakrebis Tavdadebulma da kargad<br />
organizebulma dacvam, disciplinam,<br />
Serkinebam da taqtikurad<br />
Wkvianurma TamaSma ganapiroba. am<br />
mogebaSi udidesi wvlili miuZRvis<br />
milton heigs, mTel samwvrTnelo<br />
Tu samedicino Stabs, ra Tqma<br />
unda, uSualod biWebs.<br />
fijisTan Sexvedra yvela moragbem<br />
kargad Caatara. vflobdiT<br />
teritoriul upiratesobas, vakontrolebdiT<br />
burTs da SetevebiT<br />
gamorCeulma metoqem pirvelad<br />
mxolod naxevari saaTis Semdeg Se-<br />
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mTlianobaSi, kunZulelebma<br />
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ukuvagdeT, Tavad ki bevrad meti<br />
salelove Sansi gvqonda da meti<br />
sxvaobiTac SeiZleboda metoqis<br />
damarcxeba.<br />
saqarTvelos nakrebma am SemadgenlobiT<br />
iTamaSa:<br />
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fruiZe, daviT kaWarava, merab SariqaZe,<br />
Tamaz mWedliZe, laSa xmalaZe<br />
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begaZe;<br />
kaxa aseiSvili (zurab Jvania 58),<br />
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59), irakli mircxulava (nika<br />
xatiaSvili 70), giorgi CxaiZe (nodar<br />
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3 jarima: kvirikaSvili<br />
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msoflios 20-wlamdelTa<br />
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kavea isT foinTi<br />
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1 evro<br />
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35-37 0<br />
36-40 0<br />
35-38 0<br />
32-34 0<br />
31-34 0<br />
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32-34 0<br />
29-32 0<br />
31-33 0<br />
27-29 0<br />
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26-29 0<br />
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34-37 0<br />
33-36 0<br />
30-32 0<br />
27-30 0<br />
25-28 0<br />
26-29 0<br />
foTi<br />
31-33 0<br />
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26-29 0<br />
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