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vuxsni, vin var, mere vekiTxebi:<br />

_ icnobT q-n Teas?<br />

_ ara.<br />

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icavT?<br />

_ ki.<br />

_ mere, ar icnobT?<br />

_ ara.<br />

_ aranairi Sexeba ar gqoni-<br />

aT?<br />

_ ara.<br />

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ganaTlebis ministri jejelava rom qarTul zRaprebs erCis<br />

da yvelgan Zaladoba elandeba, es ukve karga xnis ambavia _<br />

jejelavas folkloris mimarT Zaladoba ki ukve folklorad<br />

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TavSi Cascxebda da kbilebs<br />

daakreWinebda. magram es movlenebis<br />

metismetad Zaladobrivi<br />

ganviTarebaa, Tumca, ra, Tavad<br />

ministrs rom hkiTxo, komble xom<br />

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ganviTarebazed xeli aviRoT, isedac<br />

ZaladobaSi sdebs brals ministri<br />

jejelava mas da brals nu<br />

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e. i. komble Tavisi kombliT mimarTavs<br />

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ras mabralebs am mecxvareobas?<br />

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hyavs 2 cxvario, ratom meti ara<br />

hyavso. jer erTi, batono mosamarTlev,<br />

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erTs ar hyavda SeWmuli Cemi cxvrebi,<br />

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rom pasuxi vagebine? samar-<br />

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Tqveni ministri, sasamarTlosTvis<br />

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Tu sasamarTlo iyo,<br />

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ras danavardobda kriminali<br />

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rom ver mivarTvi, rogorc<br />

Tqvens eqsministr xadurs uyvarda.<br />

Cvens dros mamapapuri samar-<br />

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Tali iyo da, minda giTxraT, is<br />

Cveni samarTali ufro xSirad<br />

Wamda purs, vidre dRes mag Tqveni<br />

jejelavas mTavrobis xelSi<br />

Wams purs. davubrundebi Cems ambavs:<br />

sxva versiaSi me sami cxvari<br />

myavda, swored im versiaSi, roca<br />

kacebma mkiTxes, komble, ra komblebs<br />

akeTebo? garkveviT vTqvi,<br />

_ me es xeloba vici da aman unda<br />

macxovros-meTqi. gaagebineT jejelavas,<br />

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keTebaa! ar var mecxvare! ara! mag<br />

samcxvrian versiaSi pirveli<br />

mgels mivadeqi, romelsac kbilebSi<br />

xorci hqonda CarCenili,<br />

unda momekla, magram mgelma<br />

miTxra, nu momklav da bedsa gwevo.<br />

wavida es mgeli, iq mecxvareebs<br />

didi fara hyavdaT cxvrebis,<br />

im mecxvareebs oqros batkani<br />

mostaca, mecxvareebi mas gamoudgnen<br />

da is fara me damrCa, me gamovreke.<br />

axla amas rom moismens eg<br />

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klauznikobiT, qurdadac<br />

gamomacxadebs da mesame pretenziasac<br />

wamomiyenebs, magram es ase<br />

iyo da es zRaparia, zRapari da<br />

zRapars Tavisi logika aqvs, hagiografias<br />

_ Tavisi da yvelgan<br />

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imasac mogaxsenebT, mas<br />

mere, rac cxvrebi gamovreke,<br />

sofelSi mkiTxes, _ sami cxvari ar<br />

gyavda, axla amdeni saidan gyavso?<br />

vuTxari, rom tyeSi gavuSvi<br />

da gamravldnen. amas rom jejelava<br />

moismens, meoTxe pretenziasac<br />

wamomiyenebs, rom me matyuara<br />

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brali iyo, im brZeni kacis, Tu im<br />

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daijera? Tan me am xumrobisTvis,<br />

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da wavedi, mivedi erT salaros-<br />

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guda momces. sofelSi rom mkiTxes,<br />

naxSiri waiRe da fuli rogor<br />

moitaneo? vuTaxri, rom fulze<br />

gavcvale. adgnen, saxlebi dawves,<br />

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naxSirze vcvliTo, magram vin<br />

gaucvlida? Cemi bralia? adgnen<br />

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mivadeqi, romelsac sami lamazi<br />

qali hyavda, _ Rame gamaTevinemeTqi.<br />

es Cemi mkvdari coli<br />

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xeli rom mohkides da waiqca,<br />

coli momikaliT-meTqi, CiviliT<br />

davemuqre da sami qali gamomatanes.<br />

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Cven Segvexo, magram, ramdenadac<br />

vici, xalxis ganTavisufleba mTel<br />

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zogadad, Tavdacvis uwyebaSi<br />

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da vnaxoT, iq rogor ganviTardeba<br />

procesebi.<br />

_ fiqrobT, rom am optimizaciis<br />

procesSi TavianTi Tanamdebo-<br />

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_ rasakvirvelia, sakuTari TavisTvis<br />

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es joxi isev im xalxze gadatexes,<br />

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piradad, rogorc mogaxseneT, eqvsi<br />

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gamomiSves, maT vekiTxebi, sad wavide?<br />

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aseve CemTan erTad gaaTavisufles<br />

ufrosi leitenantebi, kapitnebi,<br />

romlebic aTi welia, muSaoben,<br />

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nabijs dgams, Tavdacvis saministros<br />

kuTxiT raRac alternatiuli<br />

xom unda SemogvTavazos?<br />

_ am sakiTxze ministrTan rame<br />

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_ 5 dekembers yuri rom movkari,<br />

Cveni samsaxurebrivi Statebi uqmdeboda,<br />

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TviTon SemoiWiron da Cvens xarjze<br />

nu gadaaqvT es yvelaferi,<br />

Torem Zalian cudad SemoutrialdebaT.<br />

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„qronika+”-is meore responden-<br />

tic analogiur mdgomareobaSia.<br />

mas, garkveuli mizezebis gamo,<br />

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_ mec samxedro policiis aRmosavleT<br />

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sad dgas. erT-erTi moadgile Sar-<br />

San axal wels movida, egona, rom<br />

sxvagan iyo misuli da<br />

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levan izoria<br />

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sruliad warmoudgeneli swored<br />

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litoni deklaraciulobis doneze<br />

aRmoaCndaT.<br />

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metad Tavad arCevnebis procesma<br />

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am darRvevebisa Tu gayalbebebis<br />

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ukan rom ixedebi, erTi ja-<br />

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mxardamWerTa erToblivi ZalisxmeviT<br />

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roli Seasrules „nacmoZraobis”<br />

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politsabWos wevrTa principuli<br />

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„nacmoZraobis” identobis Senar-<br />

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msgavsi ram marTlac arasodes<br />

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uprecedento movlena iyo _ partiis<br />

aqtivistebisa da mxardamWerebis<br />

mier sakuTari partiis dacva!<br />

18<br />

gayofila, partias gamoeyo mxolod<br />

erTi jgufi, rac movlenebiT<br />

mdidar „nacmoZraobis” biografiaSi<br />

iqamdec araerTxel momxdara.<br />

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ki swored mixeil saakaSvilis<br />

enm-s cnobs da ara ugulava-bokerias.<br />

_ qalbatono maia, Tqven es<br />

procesi pirdapir daukavSireT<br />

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swored es aRizianebdaT, rodesac<br />

maT moqmedebebs ivaniSvils ukav-<br />

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odaT, Tavad yofiliyvnen parti-<br />

is marTvis sadaveebTan? iqneb,<br />

isini swored is jariskacebi ari-<br />

an, romlebmac erT dRes generloba<br />

isurves da generlis gver-<br />

dze gawevac amis gamo gaxda sa-<br />

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esTa Tanxvedra iyo _ biZinas sWi-<br />

rdeboda saakaSvilis partiidan<br />

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deblad _ e. w. gamijnulebsac? anu<br />

maT Soris aranairi garigeba ar<br />

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teresTa Tanxvedra?<br />

_ garigeba iseTi sityvaa, rom<br />

zogs warmoudgenia _ ori adamiani<br />

amis damadasturebel dokumentebs<br />

msoflio mxolod „perestroikis”<br />

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rac ssrk-s uSiSroebis ariqvebi<br />

gaixsna. ramdenime aTeuli weli es<br />

dokumentebi msofliosTvis ucnobi<br />

iyo, magram miuxedavad amisa,<br />

mTelma msofliom icoda, rom 40<br />

aTasi poloneli oficeri germanelebma<br />

ki ara (rogorc amas sabWo-<br />

Ta propaganda iuwyeboda), sabWo-<br />

Ta jarma daxvrita...<br />

ratom gavixsene es ambavi? aris<br />

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pirdapiri mtkicebulebebi ar gagvaCndes,<br />

magram maTi analizisa da<br />

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meTodia adamianebis ara,<br />

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moraluri kriteriumebi da principebi<br />

gaqvs. rodesac gareSe zegavlenisTvis<br />

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swored am saqmis dasagvirgvineblad<br />

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partiis mravalricxovan mxardamWerTa<br />

mxridan aseT masobriv<br />

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es iyo Cveni marTlac Tavganwiruli<br />

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ivaniSviliseul gegmas.<br />

es iyo WeSmaritad samoqalaqo<br />

aqti da swored am gziT ibadeba da<br />

izrdeba samoqalaqo sazogadoeba,<br />

romelic ukve aRaraa ubralod<br />

utyvi, morCili da „inertuli mosaxleoba”.<br />

_ mTel am bolo drois pro-<br />

cesebSi ra iyo TqvenTvis yvelaze<br />

miuRebeli: susti, gamarjvebaze<br />

araorientirebuli saarCevno ka-<br />

mpania, wlebis manZilze e. w. Tavze<br />

nacris yra, Tu sakuTari amom-<br />

rCevlebisadmi agdebuli damok-<br />

idebuleba, rac lanZRvis niaRv-<br />

riTa da „jogis” ZaxiliT dagvir-<br />

gvinda?<br />

_ movlenebi ise elvis siswrafiT<br />

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sruliad sxvagvarad Cans.<br />

movlenaTa Cemeuli aRqmac Sesabamisad<br />

icvleboda. mokled getyviT:<br />

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liderebis nawilis mxridan sakuTar<br />

amomrCevelTa mimarT gamoxatuli<br />

gasaocari agresia iyo,<br />

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gamijnulTa mizans ar warmoadgenda<br />

partiis arCevnebSi gamarjveba,<br />

rac bunebrivad gamoiwvevda mixeil<br />

saakaSvilis saqarTveloSi Camosvlas<br />

da swored aq ikveTeboda<br />

gamijnulTa da ivaniSvilis interesebi<br />

_ miSas Camosvla arc erT<br />

mxares ar awyobda. amitom miviReT<br />

is, rac miviReT _ katastrofuli<br />

politikuri viTareba, sadac rus<br />

oligarqs da ruseTis „gazpromis”<br />

yvelaze msxvil kerZo aqcioners<br />

qveynis parlamentSi sakonstitucio<br />

umravlesobis berketi uWiravs<br />

da am berkets qveynisTvis<br />

sasikeTod rom ar gamoiyenebs,<br />

albaT, aRaravis epareba eWvi. arsebuli<br />

politikuri garemos kardinaluri<br />

Secvla ki mxolod mixeil<br />

saakaSvils SeeZlo, rac xels<br />

ar aZlevda arc erT da arc meore<br />

mxares. orive mxarem yvelaferi gaakeTa<br />

imisTvis, rom saakaSvilis<br />

saqarTveloSi Camosvlis winapiroba<br />

ar Seqmniliyo. cxadia, yvelas<br />

Tavisi interesi amoZravebda da<br />

amas Seewira qarTuli demokratiac<br />

da amomrCevlisa Tu qveynis interesebic.<br />

_ Tqven gamoaqveyneT statia,<br />

sadac bolo procesebi gaaanal-<br />

izeT. rame Tu Seicvala Tqvens<br />

damokidebulebaSi?<br />

_ albaT „gamocxadebuli SeTqmulebis<br />

qronikas gulisxmobT”. am<br />

statiaSi Segnebulad Sevecade mki-<br />

TxvelisTvis Cemi daskvnebi Tavze<br />

ki ar momexvia, aramed is movlene-<br />

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bi, romelic sul axlaxan Cvens<br />

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mixeil saakaSvils xelebis qnevas<br />

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lo” swored saTadarigod Se-<br />

qmnes?<br />

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analizis unari ar mqondes. da Tu<br />

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xdeboda adgilebze? „nacmoZraobis”<br />

warmomadgenlebi xedavdnen<br />

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mxridan aranairi regireba ar iyo.<br />

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aseTi ram xdeba da, nuTu, ar arsebobs<br />

raime samarTlebrivi berketi,<br />

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ivaniSvilisTvis safrTxes ar<br />

warmoadgens. metic: marTvadi,<br />

umoqmedo da konformistuli opoziciis<br />

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mxardamWerebs „jogs” uwodebde,<br />

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iTxovde! da Tu „damalvaa”,<br />

ratom unda damaluliyo, maincdamainc,<br />

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masze bevrad ufro arareitinguli<br />

bokeriac? sruli alogikurobaa<br />

maTive gadmosaxedidanac ki.<br />

Tamaras mier naxsenebma saakaSvilisTvis<br />

bokerias mier wamoyenebulma<br />

meore pirobam ki saerTod gamaogna<br />

_ pirobis arsi is iyo, rom<br />

im SemTxvevaSic ki, Tu „nacmoZraoba”<br />

gaimarjvebda, miSa saakaSvils<br />

premierministrobaze uari unda<br />

eTqva. axla amixseniT _ „evropuli<br />

saqarTvelo” rom dairqves, romel<br />

evropul qveyanaSi xdeba msgavsi<br />

ram, partiis liders winaswar adebinebde<br />

pirobas, rom misi partiis<br />

gamarjvebis SemTxvevaSic ki man<br />

uari unda ganacxados premier-min-<br />

da jamSi ra gamodis? maqsimalurad<br />

iyeneb saakaSvilis eleqtoralur<br />

resurss da Tavad mas<br />

aranair uflebas ar utoveb? Tu<br />

maT ase surdaT saakaSvilisgan gamijvna,<br />

gamijvnodnen arCevnebamde<br />

da gasuliyvnen arCevnebze damoukideblad,<br />

maSin xom ar iqneboda<br />

amdeni laparaki gamijnulTa uzneobaze<br />

da ar mieniWebodaT is<br />

definicia sazogadoebisgan, rac<br />

mieniWaT? uzneobaa, gamoiyeno mixeil<br />

saakaSvilis dafuZnebuli partiis<br />

finansebi, gindodes miSa saakaSvilis<br />

partia, misi amomrCevlebis<br />

xmebi da ar gindodes miSa. Tu<br />

maTTvis saakaSvili aseTi ucxo sxeuli<br />

iyo, ratom ar ganacxades<br />

amis Sesaxeb Riad arCevnebamde? adre<br />

kargi iyo, axla gaxda miuRebelio,<br />

_ aseT „argumentsac” gaigonebT.<br />

ki batono! magram erT<br />

TveSi, erT dReSi xom ar gaxda „miuRebeli”?!<br />

gamijnuliyvnen 8 oqtombramde,<br />

yovel SemTxvevaSi, imas<br />

mainc aRaravin etyoda, _ moparuli<br />

xmebiT SexvediT parlamentSio.<br />

ar undaT miSa saakaSvili? keTili<br />

enebaT, hyofnodaT gambedaoba,<br />

sakuTari resursiT gasuliyvnen<br />

arCevnebze da imdeni xma mieRoT,<br />

ramdenic ekuTvnodaT!<br />

magram rodesac arCevnebamde<br />

mixeil saakaSvilis meuRlesTan<br />

erTad velosopediT seirnob, Sedixar<br />

parlamentSi saakaSvilis<br />

dividendebiT da mxolod parlamentSi<br />

Sesvlis Semdeg upirispirdebi,<br />

amas ra hqvia?!.<br />

banZebis Semdeg, rodesac marTla<br />

sayovelTao antagonizmi daimsaxures,<br />

aramed Tavidanve unda wasuliyvnen.<br />

araerTxel gamigia, ukve<br />

„qocebic” ki amaT lanZRaven. im<br />

„qocs” SeiZleba miSa da „nacionalebi”<br />

ar moswondes, magram imdeni<br />

ki esmis, rom uzneobaa, rodesac<br />

megobars, Tan iZulebiT devnilobaSi<br />

myofs megobars, ase Ralatob.<br />

da, saboloo jamSi, miSas ki ar<br />

unda uerTgulo, Sens qveyanas da<br />

Sens principebs unda uerTgulo,<br />

Sens Tavs uerTgulo. umartivesi<br />

recepti arsebobs, rogor ar uRalato<br />

aravis _ ubralod, ar uRalato<br />

sakuTar Tavs, anu Sensave<br />

sindiss. da Tu sakuTar Tavs ar<br />

Ralatob, sxvasac ver uRalateb.<br />

maT uRalates jer sakuTar sindiss,<br />

sakuTar Tavs da amis mere amomrCevels,<br />

qveyanas, saerTo saqmes<br />

da bolos _ miSas. mokled rom SevajamoT,<br />

aravis ar uyvars moRalate!<br />

„qocsac” ki ar uyvars. Tavidanve<br />

wasuliyvnen, SarSan wasuliyvnen,<br />

an Tundac am zafxuls da<br />

eyaraT kenWi am „evropuli saqar-<br />

Tvelos” saxeliT imTaviTve, ra<br />

uSlidaT, Tu amocana ar hqondaT?<br />

_ aranair eWvs ar giCenT, rom<br />

es „evropuli saqarTvelo” uSua-<br />

lod arCevnebis win Seiqmna, „nac-<br />

moZraobasTan” koaliciaSi? ar<br />

grCebaT STabeWdileba, rom es iyo<br />

gegma B da Tu mixeil saakaSvils<br />

„nacmoZraobas” ver CamoaSorebdnen<br />

da mTlianad ver aiRebdnen xe-<br />

lSi partias, „evropuli saqarTve-<br />

ia, es miuTiTebs imaze, rom „gamijnulebs”<br />

yvelaferi didi xnis<br />

winaT hqondaT mofiqrebuli. adrec<br />

hqonia „nacmos” koalicia So-<br />

Ta malaSxiasTan erTad, magram<br />

amjerad SoTasTan ar isurves da<br />

gigi wereTlis mamis partiasTan<br />

erTad Seqmnes koalicia. Tu ratom,<br />

amis pasuxi zedapirze devs _<br />

SoTa malaSxia „dagme miSa” tipaJi<br />

araa da mis partiaSi gadaskupeba<br />

ar gamouvidodaT. bolo 4 wlis<br />

manZilze saqarTvelos amomrCeveli<br />

orjer moatyues: pirvelad<br />

2012 wels, meored 2016 wlis saparlamento<br />

arCevnebze. gansxvaveba<br />

mxolod isaa, rom 2012-Si es biZina<br />

ivaniSvilma gaakeTa, 2016 wels ki<br />

„nacmoZraobis” xelmZRvanelobis<br />

uprincipo da merkantilurma nawilma.<br />

pirvelad saqarTvelos mosaxleobis<br />

didi nawili gaacures,<br />

meorejer ki, _ sakuTari partiis<br />

mxardamWerebi. orive cudia, magram<br />

mainc mgonia, rom meore bevrad<br />

amazrzenia. aRarafers vityvi<br />

baqraZis, bokerias, oTo kaxiZis<br />

„sibrZneebze”, rac partiidan gasvlis<br />

dRes brifingze afrqvies,<br />

magram gansakuTrebuli STabeWdileba<br />

mainc ugulavas 20-wuTianma<br />

spiCma moaxdina Cemze. gigi ugulavam<br />

saakaSvils „jarTi” uwoda.<br />

saakaSvili Tu jarTia, Tavad vinaa?!<br />

mag „jarTma” Seqmna mTeli es<br />

gundi da politikosebad aqcia.<br />

gagrZeleba 35-e gv.<br />

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rogor unda Seiwyalos aSS-s moqalaqe<br />

samarTliani sasamarTlo, isev<br />

neli vardiaSvili<br />

gadauWreli problemaa xelisu-<br />

597 11 12 47<br />

flebagamocvlil qveyanaSi. miuxedavad<br />

imisa, rom reformebis ramdenimesafexurian<br />

aucileblobaze saubroben, am dromde, sasamarTlo<br />

sistemaSi dagrovili xarvezebi Tu iuridiuli laf-<br />

susebi imedismomcem fons, namdvilad ar qmnis. ra faqtebs<br />

awvdis ‘qronika+”-s advokati zurab Todua da ratom Tvlis,<br />

rom sasamarTlo sistemaSi mxolod reformebis daanonseba da<br />

calkeuli mosamarTleebis daniSvna, an ganrideba situacias<br />

ver gamoasworebs? ras niSnavs absurdamde dasuli ucxo qveynis<br />

moqalaqis qeisi, romelsac qarTuli sasamarTlo biuje-<br />

tis saxeliT Zarcvavs?!<br />

zurab Todua:<br />

exeba qarTvel kacs, romelic<br />

1990 wlidan amerikis SeerTebuli<br />

Statebis sruluflebiani moqalaqea.<br />

mas saqarTvelosTan mxolod<br />

is akavSirebs, rom misi sam-<br />

Sobloa da aq hyavs SvilTaSvili.<br />

periodulad, saqarTveloSi swored<br />

mis sanaxavad Camodis xolme.<br />

erT-erTi aseTi vizitis dros,<br />

2015 wlis zafxulSi, igi Tbilisis<br />

prestiJul ubanSi samarTaldamcvelebma<br />

gaaCeres, gaCxrikes<br />

da 50 grami marixuana aRmouCines.<br />

sami dRe patimrobaSi hyavdaT,<br />

Semdeg ki aRkveTis RonisZieba 10<br />

aTasi laris giraoTi Seucvales.<br />

ramdenime dReSi sasamarTlo procesi<br />

Catarda, romelmac saproceso<br />

SeTanxmeba daamtkica saqarTvelos<br />

mTavar prokuraturasa da<br />

am adamians Soris, Sesabamisad,<br />

biujetis sasargeblod 10 aTasi<br />

lariT daajarimes. aseve sasamar-<br />

Tlom avtomanqanis marTvis ufleba<br />

da is uflebebi CamoarTva,<br />

rasac saqarTvelos kanoni narkotikuli<br />

danaSaulis winaaRmdeg<br />

brZolis Sesaxeb iTvaliswinebs.<br />

rac yvelaze sainteresoa, mas<br />

CamoerTva saarCevno ufleba, anu<br />

aekrZala airCios rogorc kongresmeni,<br />

senatori, aseve amerikis<br />

prezidenti. aseTi gadawyvetileba<br />

miiRo Tbilisis saqalaqo sasamarTlos<br />

mosamarTle Sorena guncaZem.<br />

me ar maqvs Cemi dacvis qveS<br />

myofis konfidencialurobis<br />

darRvevis ufleba, misgan nebar-<br />

Tva ar gamaCnia gvar-saxelis gam-<br />

JRavnebis Taobaze, amitom am adamianis<br />

vinaobas ver gisaxelebT,<br />

Tumca mTeli pasuxismgeblobiT<br />

SemiZlia vTqva, rom es faqti namdvilia<br />

da dokumentaciac mogitaneT.<br />

Sorena guncaZe „nacionaluri<br />

moZraobis” drosac mosamarTle<br />

zurab Todua:<br />

`260-e muxliT<br />

sanqciis gavrceleba<br />

ucxo qveynis<br />

moqalaqeze sruli<br />

paradoqsia!~<br />

gaxldaT. mis mier ganxiluli<br />

erT-erTi saqme arc ise saxarbielod<br />

damTavrda saqarTvelosTvis<br />

evropul sasamarTloSi.<br />

Semdeg mas uflebamosilebis vada<br />

gauvida, magram mosamarTled kvlav<br />

aRadgines. am mosamarTlem<br />

evropuli sircxvili aWama saqarTvelos.<br />

saubari maqvs saRinaZis<br />

saqmeze. guncaZis mier miRebuli<br />

gadawyvetilebiT, evrosasamarTlom<br />

saRinaZis ukanono patimroba<br />

daadgina 6 Tvisa da 24 dRis<br />

manZilze.<br />

baTu saRinaZe Ss saministroSi<br />

policiis maRalCinosani iyo,<br />

romelic kaxa kalaZis Zmis mkvlelobis<br />

saqmeze daapatimres.<br />

mosamarTle mas patimrobis vadas<br />

sruliad dausabuTeblad ugr-<br />

Zelebda da evrosasamarTlom<br />

daadgina, rom es adamiani 6 Tve da<br />

24 dRe mas ukanonod hyavda dapatimrebuli.<br />

maSin ase iyo, _ mosamarTles<br />

prokurori mimarTavda: patimroba<br />

gamigrZele ori TviT, sami Tvi-<br />

To da mosamarTleebic sityvis<br />

Seubruneblad, dasabuTebis mo-<br />

Ziebis gareSe agrZelebdnen vadebs.<br />

biujets 15 aTasi evro daujda<br />

es saqme evropuli sasamarTlos<br />

gadawyvetilebiT, anu saRinaZes<br />

es fuli saqarTvelos biujetidan<br />

imisTvis gadauxades, rom<br />

guncaZe mas ukanonod apatimrebda.<br />

es moxda 2011 wels da saRinaZes<br />

2012 wels Tanxa gadauxades.<br />

_ amis gamo mosamarTlisTvis<br />

pasuxi aravis mouTxovia?<br />

_ ra Tqma unda, aravis mouTxovia,<br />

sayveduric ki ar uTqvamT.<br />

Tumca aqve vityvi, rom mosamar-<br />

Tle rom usamarTlo gadawyvetilebis<br />

gamo vinmes daesajos, ase-<br />

Ti ram saqarTvelos sinamdvile-<br />

Si ar momxdara. uamravi ukanono<br />

gadawyvetilebaa cnobili, romelic<br />

mosamarTleebma gamoitanes,<br />

maT gamo adamianebi cixeSi wlobiT<br />

iyvnen gamomwyvdeulebi, Semdgom<br />

gamarTldnen da devnilis,<br />

an politpatimris statusic mieniWaT,<br />

magram aravis ufiqria im xalxis<br />

dasja, vinc aseTi gadawyvetilebebi<br />

gamoitana. aseve vityvi<br />

`prezidents SeuZlia,<br />

gankarguleba gamosces<br />

da aSS-s moqalaqe<br />

Seiwyalos, Tumca isic<br />

sainteresoa, rogor<br />

unda Seiwyalos aSS-s<br />

moqalaqe saqarTvelos<br />

prezidentma?~<br />

evrosasamarTlos gadawyvetilebebze,<br />

romlebSic aSkarad Cans mosamarTleTa<br />

danaSaulis kvali.<br />

maTi dasjis precedenti ar arsebobs.<br />

mosamarTleTa Sesaferisobas<br />

maT TanamdebobasTan garkveuli<br />

kanoni wyvets. amitomac arasdros<br />

edavebian da arc iTvaliswineben<br />

imas, rom mis mier miRebuli<br />

gadawyvetilebiT biujeti,<br />

an pirovneba dazaralda. Cveni<br />

kanonmdeblobiT es gansjadi ar<br />

aris. vfiqrob, unda arsebobdes<br />

kanoni, romelic aseTi mosamarTleebis<br />

pasuxismgeblobis sakiTxs<br />

Seexeba, radgan aseT dros,<br />

mosamarTlec iqneba, garkveulwilad,<br />

gadawyvetilebebis miRebisas<br />

SeboWili da misTvis adamianis<br />

bedi sulerTi ar iqneba.<br />

rogorc vici, sxva qveynebSi es<br />

problema ar dgas, radgan iq mosamarTlem<br />

icis, rom sakuTari<br />

rwmeniT unda miiRos gadawyvetileba<br />

da romelime struqturis<br />

kabinetebidan wamosuli davaleba<br />

ar unda Seasrulos. sxva, civilizebul<br />

qveynebSi prokuraturaSi,<br />

policiaSi veravin warmoidgens,<br />

rom mosamarTles SeiZleba daurekon<br />

da konkretuli adamianis<br />

mimarT gaagrZelebinon, an Seamcirebinon<br />

patimrobis vada. Cven-<br />

Tan ki swored ase xdeboda wlebis<br />

ganmavlobaSi da axlac gr-<br />

Zeldeba. qarTuli sasamarTlos<br />

done evropuli standartebidan<br />

Zalian Sors dgas.<br />

_ Tqven miTxariT, rom mosamarTle<br />

guncaZe meoredac air-<br />

Cies am Tanamdebobaze. rodesac<br />

iusticiis umaRlesi sabWo kandidatis<br />

biografias ixilavs mosa-<br />

marTlis vakansiaze, angariSs ar<br />

uwevs mis gadacdomebs, romelic<br />

am samsaxurSi muSaobis dros<br />

hqonda? miT ufro, evrosasamar-<br />

Tlos gadawyvetileba, sadac am<br />

mosamarTlis arakanonier gan-<br />

aCenebze weria da amiT biujetma<br />

amxela zarali miiRo, maTTvis<br />

arafers unda warmoadgendes?<br />

_ rogorc Cans, iusticiis<br />

umaRlesi sabWos wevrebi am sakiTxebze<br />

ar fiqroben, Torem evropis<br />

adamianis uflebaTa sasamar-<br />

Tlos aseTi daskvna „mglis bile-<br />

Ti” unda iyos mosamarTlisTvis<br />

da is am sferos saerTod aRar<br />

unda gaakaron. etyoba, isini, sxva<br />

kriteriumebiT xelmZRvaneloben,<br />

roca mosamarTleebs irCeven.<br />

_ ra kriteriumebi aqvT, iqneb,<br />

mec gamimxiloT?<br />

_ iusticiis sabWo am kriteriumebs<br />

ar asajaroebs, amitom, Cemi<br />

azriT, pirvel rigSi, es aris mor-<br />

Cileba. sxvanairad adamiani, romelmac<br />

evropis masStabiT sircxvili<br />

aWama qveyanas da xalxis<br />

yulabac _ biujeti _ soliduri<br />

TanxiT daazarala, kvlav mosamarTlis<br />

skams rogor unda isaku-<br />

Trebdes? CemTvis rom daejerebina<br />

da Cemi saCivrebi daekmayofilebina,<br />

biujetic xom ar dazaraldeboda.<br />

evrosasamarTlom<br />

daamtkica, rom me tyuilad ar<br />

vCiodi da dausabuTebeli moTxovnac<br />

ar mqonia.<br />

_ mosamarTleTa biografiebi<br />

iseTi sainteresoa, arc ki dagac-<br />

adeT aSS-s moqalaqis mosamar-<br />

Tlisgan „kuriozulad” dasjis<br />

saqmeze saubari. gismenT, gavagr-<br />

ZeloT...<br />

_ rogor SeiZleba, qarTulma<br />

sasamarTlom Tavisi iurisdiqcia,<br />

gadawyvetileba sxva qveynis teritoriaze<br />

gaavrcelos? es xom ab-<br />

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saqarTvelos prezidentma?<br />

surdi da sisulelea? mikvirs,<br />

rom es sakiTxi verc prokurorma,<br />

verc advokatma da verc mosamar-<br />

Tlem gaaanaliza. am saqmeSi axlaxan<br />

CaverTe da am adamianis yofil<br />

advokatsac amitom Sevexe. rasac<br />

geubnebiT, TvalnaTliv weria mosamarTle<br />

guncaZis gamotanil<br />

gadawyvetilebaSi. plus, am adamians<br />

sami wliT pirobiTi msjavri<br />

miusajes da TiTqmis yvelafris<br />

ufleba CamoarTves, aseve gadaaxdevines<br />

10 aTasi lari. aseTi<br />

gadawyvetilebis miRebis ufleba<br />

mosamarTles hqonda, mxolod da<br />

mxolod, saqarTvelos moqalaqis<br />

mimarT, radgan gadawyvetilebis<br />

aRsruleba SesaZlebelia Cvens<br />

qveyanaSi. sxva qveynis moqalaqeze<br />

rom gamogaqvs msgavsi gadawyvetileba,<br />

erTi wuTiT xom unda dafiqrdes,<br />

rom sxva qveyanaSi aseTi<br />

rameebis akrZalvis ufleba ar<br />

aqvs, radgan iq Cveni iurisdiqcia<br />

macevtul, an saadvokato firmas<br />

da miSaobas daiwyebs, an iq arCevnebSi<br />

miiRebs monawileobas, maSin<br />

rogor aRsruldeba masze miRebuli<br />

gadawyvetileba, ar vici. imedia,<br />

Tavad guncaZes mainc ecodineba.<br />

es pirovneba aSS-Si an afrikaSi<br />

saWesTan rom dajdes, mas<br />

ukve darRveuli eqneba miRebuli<br />

gadawyvetileba da rogor apireben<br />

amis gakontrolebas, es am mosamarTles<br />

unda hkiTxoT. albaT<br />

erTi saStato erTeuli unda<br />

gamoeyos probaciis samsaxurs,<br />

romelic sami wlis ganmavlobaSi<br />

gaakontrolebs, aSS-s moqalaqe<br />

daarRvevs Tu ara saqarTvelos<br />

ganaCens. fulis gadaxdis SemTxvevaSic<br />

mxolod probaciis samsaxurSi<br />

gamocxadebisgan iqneba Tavisufali,<br />

magram sxva danarCenisgan<br />

_ ara.<br />

_ da es kaci ar dabrunda<br />

col-SvilTan aSS-Si?<br />

baze da mxolod jarimiT Semoifargla.<br />

es gaakeTa baTumis mosamarTlem<br />

da Tbilisis sasamarTlos<br />

mosamarTlem raRac absurdi<br />

Caidina. rac Seexeba ucxoeTis<br />

moqalaqeebis mier sisxlis samarTlis<br />

sxva danaSaulis Cadenas,<br />

aseT SemTxvevebSi maTze sxva normebi<br />

moqmedebs. 260-e muxliT<br />

sanqciis gavrceleba ucxo qveynis<br />

moqalaqeze sruli paradoqsia.<br />

_ gadawyvetileba, romelic<br />

guncaZem miiRo, romelime kano-<br />

niT akrZalulia? an prokurors<br />

ratom unda hqondes samarTle-<br />

brivi CarCoebidan amovardnili<br />

moTxovnis dayenebis ufleba ro-<br />

melime piris mimarT? prokuro<br />

uro-<br />

ric xom iuristia da man kanoni<br />

kargad unda icodes.<br />

_ pirdapir getyviT: mosamar-<br />

Tles uari unda eTqva prokuraturis<br />

ugunur moTxovnaze da mxolod<br />

jarimiT unda Semofarg-<br />

sasamarTlo Zalian iSviaTad ereva<br />

pirveli da meore instanciis<br />

sasamarTloebis gadawyvetilebeb-<br />

Si. 90% mas ki mimarTavs, magram<br />

saqmis ganxilvaze dauSvebeli sakasacio<br />

saCivriT uars eubnebian.<br />

_ uars eubnebian moqalaqeebs<br />

samarTlianobis dadgenaze?<br />

_ evropuli samarTliT samarTliani<br />

sasamarTlosTvis ori<br />

instanciis gadawyvetileba standartad<br />

aris miCneuli, magram Tu<br />

amas daveyrdnobiT, uzenaesi sasamarTlo<br />

arc unda arsebobdes da<br />

iq momuSave TanamSromlebi arc<br />

unda finansdebodnen biujetidan.<br />

arada, faqtia, iq uamravi adamiania<br />

dasaqmebuli da metad soliduri<br />

xelfasebic aqvT. rom ar arsebobdes<br />

es rgoli, ar iqneboda<br />

evrostandartis sawinaaRmdego,<br />

magram radgan arsebobs, is unda<br />

iyos moqmedi da ara butaforiuli.<br />

arsebiTad unda ixilavdes iq<br />

verT xels, magram Tavad uzenaes<br />

sasamarTloSi Tu undaT raimes<br />

Secvla, xom SeuZliaT, kanon-<br />

proeqti daweron da parlamentSi<br />

Seitanon? iqneb, maTma mcde-<br />

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_ saakaSvilis mTavrobas kanonmdebloba<br />

iqiTken hqonda mimarTuli,<br />

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SeenarCunebina Zalaufleba.<br />

amisTvis maT uamravi norma<br />

miiRes rogorc sisxlis, aseve<br />

samoqalaqo da sxva samarTalSi da<br />

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Tveli Zalis danatovari saxelisuflebo<br />

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romelic adeiSvilis dros<br />

miiRes. igive xdeba uzenaesi sasamarTlos<br />

SemTxvevaSic, prokuraturaSic,<br />

radgan kvlav ZalaSia<br />

Zveli kanonebi, romelic adre momuSave<br />

prokurorebze iyo morgebuli,<br />

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iyeneben mas prokuraturis Tanam-<br />

Sromlebi da misi Secvlis survilic<br />

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winaT „nacionaluri<br />

Sorena guncaZe<br />

`Sorena guncaZe "nacionaluri moZraobis" drosac mosamarTle gaxldaT. mis mier<br />

ganxiluli erT-erTi saqme arc ise saxarbielod damTavrda saqarTvelosTvis evropul<br />

sasamarTloSi. Semdeg mas uflebamosilebis vada gauvida, magram mosamarTled kvlav<br />

aRadgines. am mosamarTlem evropuli sircxvili aWama saqarTvelos. saubari maqvs<br />

saRinaZis saqmeze. guncaZis mier miRebuli gadawyvetilebiT, evrosasamarTlom<br />

saRinaZis ukanono patimroba daadgina 6 Tvisa da 24 dRis manZilze. baTu saRinaZe Ss<br />

saministroSi policiis maRalCinosani iyo, romelic kaxa kalaZis Zmis mkvlelobis<br />

saqmeze daapatimres. mosamarTle mas patimrobis vadas sruliad dausabuTeblad<br />

ugrZelebda da evrosasamarTlom daadgina, rom es adamiani 6 Tve da 24 dRe mas<br />

ukanonod hyavda dapatimrebuli. maSin ase iyo, - mosamarTles prokurori mimarTavda:<br />

patimroba gamigrZele ori TviT, sami TviTo da mosamarTleebic sityvis<br />

Seubruneblad, dasabuTebis moZiebis gareSe agrZelebdnen vadebs. biujets 15 aTasi<br />

evro daujda es saqme evropuli sasamarTlos gadawyvetilebiT, anu saRinaZes es fuli<br />

saqarTvelos biujetidan imisTvis gadauxades, rom guncaZe mas ukanonod apatimrebda.<br />

es moxda 2011 wels da saRinaZes 2012 wels Tanxa gadauxades~<br />

ar vrceldeba? aseTia zogadi<br />

principi _ kanonis moqmedeba<br />

droSi, sivrcesa da pirTa wris<br />

mixedviT, romelic, am konkretul<br />

SemTxvevaSi, uxeSad dairRva. sasamarTlom<br />

es adamiani valdebuli<br />

gaxada, kviraSi erTxel mivides<br />

probaciis samsaxurSi da daafiqsiros<br />

misi saqarTveloSi arseboba.<br />

im SemTxvevaSi, Tu is am valdebulebas<br />

ar Seasrulebs, probaciis<br />

oficers SeuZlia, prokuraturas<br />

mimarTos, rom erT-erTma<br />

probacionerma kanoni daarRvia,<br />

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da gamoZiebis dawyeba<br />

moiTxovos, rac erTidan sam wlamde<br />

patimrobas iTvaliswinebs.<br />

_ anu am adamians 50 gr marixuanis<br />

gamo sami wliT saxlSi dab-<br />

runebis saSualeba CamoarTves?<br />

_ ase gamodis, magram Tu mas<br />

unda, rom aSS-Si dabrundes, yovelTviurad<br />

soliduri Tanxa unda<br />

gadaixados. fulis gadaxdis SemTxvevaSi<br />

mas ar mouwevs probacionerisTvis<br />

dakisrebuli valdebulebebis<br />

Sesruleba, magram<br />

Tu ar gadaixdis da arc valdebulebebs<br />

Seasrulebs, maSin daapatimreben.<br />

am konkretul SemTxvevaSi<br />

ki Tu es adamiani aSS-Si dabrunda<br />

da arc fuls gadaixdis<br />

biujetis sasargeblod yovel<br />

Tve, maSin SvilTaSvilis sanaxavad,<br />

saqarTveloSi Camosvlis SemTxvevaSi,<br />

sazRvarzeve daapatimreben.<br />

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saWesTan dajdeba, gaxsnis far-<br />

_ diax, wavida da iqidan ixdis<br />

patiosnad fuls, rom probaciis<br />

samsaxurma masze devna ar daiwyos.<br />

e. i. mosamarTlis mier miRebuli<br />

usamarTlo da gauazrebeli<br />

gadawyvetilebiT qarTuli biujeti<br />

aSS-s moqalaqes Zarcvavs. am<br />

dReebSi aucileblad mivmarTavT<br />

prezidents da vTxovT, rom saswrafod<br />

Sewyvitos es ukanonoba.<br />

_ prezidenti raRa SuaSia?<br />

_ prezidents SeuZlia, gankarguleba<br />

gamosces da aSS-s moqalaqe<br />

Seiwyalos, Tumca isic sainteresoa,<br />

rogor unda Seiwyalos<br />

aSS-s moqalaqe saqarTvelos prezidentma?<br />

_ Tqven ise saubrobT, ucxoe-<br />

Tis moqalaqem saqarTvelos kano-<br />

ni Tu daarRvia, igi kanonierad<br />

ver daisjeba?<br />

_ cxadia, amas ar vambob. Sei-<br />

Zleba, ucxoeTis moqalaqe dajarimdes,<br />

an daapatimron, magram is,<br />

rac guncaZem gadawyvetilebaSi<br />

Cawera, absurdia da ukanonoba.<br />

msgavsi praqtika ukve mqonda. orjer<br />

viyavi advokatad CarTuli<br />

ucxoeTis moqalaqis saqmeSi ba-<br />

TumSi. erTi iyo serbeTis da meore<br />

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magram sasamarTlom Cemi<br />

Suamdgomloba daakmayofila, _<br />

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iTxoven adamianebis ukanonod<br />

dasjas imitom, rom maT ase miaCniaT,<br />

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arsebobs, rom mediatori iyos da<br />

gansazRvros, romelia marTali an<br />

mtyuani. gadawyvetileba, romlis<br />

aRsrulebac SeuZlebelia, mosamarTlem<br />

ar unda miiRos. am adamians<br />

saqarTveloSi ukve sakmao<br />

Tanxa gamosZales. 10 aTasis garda<br />

weliwadnaxevris Tanxa aqvs<br />

gadaxdili imitom, rom probacia-<br />

Si gamocxadeba ar mosTxovon.<br />

jamSi es aris 15 aTasamde da procesi<br />

kidev grZeldeba.<br />

_ mosamarTleebis mier ara-<br />

kanonieri gadawyvetilebebis<br />

miRebis faqtebi kidev gaqvT?<br />

_ es imdenad bevria, rom, albaT,<br />

amaze calke unda visaubroT,<br />

Tumca gadawyvetilebas arakanonieri<br />

rom daarqva, uzenaesi sasamarTlos<br />

ZalaSi Sesuli gadawyvetileba<br />

unda gekavos xelSi.<br />

amas imitom vambob, rom SeiZleba,<br />

mosamarTle Semogitrialdes da<br />

giTxras, Cemi Sinagani rwmeniT<br />

miviRe gadawyvetilebao. bolo<br />

wlebis statistika marTalia ar<br />

gamaCnia, magram ufro xSirad rom<br />

moxdes uzenaesi sasamarTlos<br />

Carevebi wina instanciis sasamarTloebis<br />

gadawyvetilebebSi, ukeTesi<br />

iqneba. uzenaesi sasamarTlos<br />

gadawyvetilebebi mxolod formaluri<br />

xasiaTisaa da isini ar Sedis<br />

sakasacio saCivrebis stilSi.<br />

es imas niSnavs, rom uzenaesi<br />

saqmeebs, rogorc es gasuli saukunis<br />

90-ian wlebSi xdeboda da<br />

Tavidan ar unda icilebdnen mas.<br />

arsebiTi ganxilva gulisxmobs<br />

imas, rom Tu sakasacio saCivari<br />

mxares dasabuTebulad aqvs warmodgenili,<br />

sasamarTlom yvela<br />

garemoeba unda Seamowmos: uzenaesSic<br />

unda Catardes mosamzadebeli<br />

sxdomebi, romelsac arsebi-<br />

Ti ganxilvebi mohyveba. rodesac<br />

mxare dasabuTebulad ambobs, rom<br />

pirveli da meore instanciis mosamarTleebma<br />

esa da es kanonebi<br />

ar gamoiyenes, sakasacio instanciam<br />

ratom ar unda ganixilos is?<br />

mimaCnia, rom uzenaesma sasamarTlom<br />

dakarga Tavisi funqcia da<br />

mxolod im SemTxvevaSi facifucobs,<br />

roca es xelisuflebas<br />

sWirdeba. is ukanonobis dasakanonebel,<br />

saxelisuflebo manqanad<br />

iqca da mas SeiZleba xelisuflebis<br />

mosamsaxure, saTadarigo<br />

prokuraturac ki davarqvaT.<br />

_ gasagebia, rom „nacionalur<br />

moZraobas” uzenaesi sasamarTlo<br />

dasWirda da is aseTi formatiT<br />

momuSave sasamarTlo sistemis<br />

erT-erT rgolad aqcia, magram<br />

meocnebe xelisuflebas xom See-<br />

Zlo, misTvis pirvandeli saxe<br />

daebrunebina? miT umetes, rom<br />

mis xelmZRvanelad dainiSna uzenaesi<br />

sasamarTlodan devnili mosamarTle,<br />

nino gvenetaZe. rode-<br />

sac kanonmdeblobis avkargian-<br />

obaze vsaubrobT, ratomRac,<br />

yovelTvis parlamentisken viS-<br />

moZraoba” iyenebda Tavis sasargeblod,<br />

axla ki „qarTuli ocneba”<br />

_ mmarTveli politikuri Zala<br />

iyenebs. Tqvens kiTxvaze, _ uzenaes<br />

sasamarTloSi ratom ar icvleba<br />

muSaobis wesi? _ me geubnebiT,<br />

rom Zvel xelisuflebas<br />

ufunqcio uzenaesi sasamarTlo<br />

awyobda, rogorc saTadarigo<br />

prokuratura da am xelisuflebasac<br />

awyobs misi ufunqcioba. amis<br />

gamo saqarTvelos moqalaqeebs<br />

ukanonobebisgan Tavis daRwevis<br />

ori gza darCeniaT: gaurigdnen<br />

prokurorsa da miiRon maqsimalurad<br />

sasargeblo gadawyvetileba _<br />

saproceso garigeba, andac ibrZolon<br />

bolomde da daadgnen evrosasamarTlos<br />

gzas. miT ufro, rom<br />

uzenaes sasamarTloSi saqmis arsebiT<br />

ganxilvaze Zalian swrafad<br />

eubnebian uars. uaris Sablonebi<br />

aqvT SemuSavebuli da SigniT mxolod<br />

gvar-saxelebsa da saqmeebis<br />

nomrebs cvlian. amis Semdeg, 6<br />

Tvis ganmavlobaSi, ukve SeiZleba,<br />

evropis sasamarTlos mimarTon.<br />

aqve vityvi imasac, rom saproceso<br />

garigebebis sqemebic ar Seucvlia<br />

xelisuflebaSi mosul „ocnebas”,<br />

Tumca am SemTxvevaSi gansxvaveba<br />

is aris, rom „nacionalebis”<br />

dros gacilebiT didi Tanxebi<br />

iyo da axla Semcirebulia. am xelisuflebas<br />

saprocesoebiT ufro<br />

unda, rom SeTanxmebebi moxdes<br />

da saqmeebi evrosasamarTloSi ar<br />

wavides. mxolod biujetis Sevsebaze<br />

ar zrunaven.<br />

N1 (178) 17.01-23.01.2017 w.<br />

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nebismier wams spekulaciuri<br />

moqmedebis saSualebas iZleva<br />

da, saerTod, SeiZleba, wamSi<br />

aagdon lari maRal niSnulamde.<br />

yovelTvis aseT mdgomareobaSi<br />

viqnebiT sistemis Secvlamde da<br />

am galarebis programam garkveuli<br />

efeqti SeiZleba iqonios, magram<br />

ekonomikis realur seqtorSi<br />

ucxouri investiciebis<br />

nakadis gareSe (ara pirdapiri,<br />

aramed fasiani qaRaldebis sferoSi)<br />

araferi gamova. manamde ki<br />

sul viqnebiT aseT mdomareoba-<br />

Si, roca nebismier dros SeiZleba<br />

Seicvalos situacia, gamyardes<br />

da mere ormagad gaufasurdes.<br />

sanam sistema ar Seicvleba,<br />

sul ase viqnebiT.<br />

irakli TedoraZe _ International<br />

council of Economics and Law-is<br />

damfuZnebeli:<br />

_ galarebis programis dasruleba<br />

da Tebervlis laris kursi<br />

ase male ver gamoiwvevs Sedegs,<br />

es grZelvadiani perspeqtivaa,<br />

TviTon politika, roca larSi<br />

unda gaices sesxebi da uZravi<br />

qoneba grZelvadian perspeqtivas<br />

emsaxureba, romelic ekonomikaSi<br />

laris masas gamoaCens,<br />

magram, rom vTqvaT, programis<br />

dawyebidan or kviraSi raime seriozul<br />

Sedegebs mivadgebiT,<br />

arasworia da msgavsi molodini<br />

sazogadoebaSi ar unda gaCndes.<br />

mTavrobis midgoma amasTan<br />

dakavSirebiT Zalian kargia. nebismieri<br />

qyveyana, pirvel rigSi,<br />

pativs scems Tavis erovnul valutas,<br />

CvenTan ar momxdara dolaris<br />

100%-iani Canacvleba, aq<br />

mxolod laris gamoyeneba gaxda<br />

savaldebulo, magram es ar aris<br />

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TebervalSi<br />

panacea da mxolod am programaze<br />

ar unda SeCerdes mTavroba<br />

kmayofili ar unda dajdes. maT<br />

unda gamoasworon laris sava-<br />

Wro balansi, infrastruqturuli<br />

proeqtebi, aq sajaro seqtorebSi<br />

aucileblad unda moxdes<br />

optimizacia da sxva bevri proeqti<br />

unda ganxorcieldes, igive<br />

sawarmoo rezervebi unda Seiqmnas<br />

da ekonomikam unda SeZlos,<br />

rom saqarTvelo garkveuli produqtebis<br />

eqsportiori qveyana<br />

gaxdes.<br />

rac Seexeba „gazpromTan”<br />

molaparakebas, vityvi, rom saqarTvelo,<br />

romlic evropaSi asocirebas<br />

eswrafvis, veraviTar<br />

SemTxvevaSi ver SeukveTda somxeTs<br />

tranzits da amaze yvela unda<br />

SevTanxmdeT, radgan am tranzitze<br />

uaris Tqma ukan gadadgmuli<br />

nabiji iqneboda evropisken<br />

swrafvisas, amitom Cven mogviwia<br />

davTanxmebuliyaviT ruseTis muxanaTur<br />

gegmas, igi karga xnis win<br />

gaTvala ruseTma da xedvebi da<br />

strategia SeimuSava. mTavrobis<br />

erTaderTi danaSauli isaa, rom<br />

adre ar daiwyes alternatiuli<br />

resursebis moZieba, magram dRevandeli<br />

Sedegebi maqsimaluri<br />

SesaZleblobidan saukeTeso gamovida,<br />

radgan ruseTi, romelic<br />

agresoria da arasamarTliani wesebiT<br />

moqmedebs, masTan samarTliani<br />

normebiT da diplomatiuri<br />

eTikiT saubari gamoricxulia,<br />

Tu ar moundeba, ar daiwyebs<br />

saubars. gamomdinare aqedan,<br />

dRevndeli miRweuli Sedegi, ra<br />

Tqma unda, kargia, plus es aris<br />

2018 wlamde da manamde mTavrobas<br />

vada aqvs, rom misi poziciebi<br />

gaamyaros. SeiZleba, or weliwadSi<br />

sxva suraTi daidos, Torem<br />

Tu ase gavagrZeleT da bunebrivi<br />

airis gareSe davrCiT, 2 weliwadSi,<br />

ra Tqma unda, nebismier<br />

dros SeuZliaT fasis gazrda.<br />

_ isev laris kurss davu-<br />

brundeT, Tqveni azriT, e.b.-is<br />

moqmedebebi ramdenad uwyobs<br />

xels erovnuli valutis gam-<br />

yarebas?<br />

_ me rogorc vici, e.b. aucileblad<br />

gamoiyenebs msoflio<br />

bankisa da savaluto fondis rekomendaciebs<br />

da esec aucileblad<br />

Seuwyobs xels laris gamyarebas<br />

da Tu igi saerTaSoriso<br />

organizaciebis rCevebs qarTul<br />

interesebs daumatebs, defolti,<br />

romelic SeiZleboda rom gvqonoda,<br />

aRar iqneba.<br />

moklevadian periodSi,<br />

vfiqrob, rom larma mcirediT,<br />

magram gamyareba<br />

unda gvaCvenos, Tumca<br />

es ar iqneba Zireuli<br />

gamyareba,<br />

amas unda velodoT<br />

turistuli<br />

sezonis gaxsnisas,<br />

roca investiciebi<br />

wamova da Sei-<br />

Zleba, infrastruqturuli<br />

proeqtebi daiwyos,<br />

Torem<br />

TebervalSi es<br />

galareba aucileblad<br />

gamoiRebs Sedegs, Sesa-<br />

Zloa iseTs ara, rogoric gvinda<br />

da rac gvinda, magram dadebiTi<br />

dinamika unda SevniSnoT.<br />

aucileblad optimisturad<br />

unda ganvewyoT, radgan pesimizm-<br />

Si ar Rirs cxovreba. gaufasurebis<br />

piki axal wlamde iyo, roca<br />

xalxi yvelafers yidulobda, es<br />

ramdenime TviT adre vivaraude,<br />

magram dRes ukve aRar gvaqvs gangrZobiTi<br />

xarjvis periodi, amas<br />

plus galareba, plus gaTvaliswinebuli<br />

rCevebi (Tu gaiTvaliswinebs<br />

e.b.), aman stabiluri winsvla,<br />

marTalia neli nabijebiT,<br />

magram mainc unda gvaCvenos.<br />

soso arCvaZe _ ekonomikis<br />

eqsperti:<br />

_ galarebis programa, garkveulwilad,<br />

gazrdis lariT ganxorcielebuli<br />

operaciebis<br />

soso arCvaZe<br />

N1 (178) 17.01-23.01.2017 w.<br />

riskis safasurs da aman SeiZleba,<br />

garkveulwilad, gazardos<br />

TiToeuli tranzaqciis Rirebuleba,<br />

an, kidev, e. w. usafrTxoebis<br />

baliSebi, ra SeRavaTic uZravi<br />

qonebis realizatorebTan da<br />

SuamavlebTan ukve dafiqsirda.<br />

Tqven iZulebuli iqnebiT, rom<br />

fasebi larebSi daafiqsiroT,<br />

roca ar xarT garantirebuli,<br />

rom es kursi, met-naklebad, stabiluri<br />

iqneba. Tqven sarealizacio<br />

fasad unda awarmooT fasdanamati,<br />

usafrTxoebis baliSi,<br />

rom Tqveni biznesi da Semosavali<br />

riskebisgan daicvaT. es, ra<br />

Tqma unda, gavlenas moaxdens<br />

fasebis matebaze, Tumca ramdenad,<br />

amas dro gviCvenebs.<br />

axla larze aTas rames amboben,<br />

amitom safuZveli ar maqvs,<br />

rom rameSi eWvi Sevitano, magram<br />

is giTxariT, rac SeiZleba momavalSic<br />

moxdes. es Cveulebrivi<br />

biznes sifrTxilis gamoxatulebaa,<br />

xolo is, rom qarTuli sabanko<br />

seqtoris didi nawili ucxouri<br />

kapitalis xelSia da adgilobrivi<br />

aqtivebis wili gacemul<br />

sesxebsa da kreditebSi sakmaod<br />

mokrZalebulia, es ufro gagr-<br />

Zeldeba (iyo dro, roca 22 wlis<br />

winaT saqarTveloSi 229 banki<br />

gvqonda da dadgeba dro, roca<br />

saqarTveloSi 8-9 banki iqneba).<br />

amisken midis brZola. fexburTis<br />

irakli TedoraZe<br />

CempionatSi 32 gundi TamaSobs<br />

finalSi ki 2 gadis. igive principia<br />

aqac.<br />

„gazpromTan” miRweul SeTanxmebas<br />

ekonomikaze erTbaSad<br />

ar eqneba iseTi mkveTri revoluciuri<br />

Sedegebi, rom raRac gakeTdeba<br />

da xvalidan ukve revoluciuri<br />

cvlilebebi moxdeba.<br />

iseTi meqanizmi unda SevimuSavoT,<br />

romelic gacilebiT met Semosavals<br />

miscems saqarTvelos,<br />

vidre am erTi SemTxveviT. specialistebi<br />

axla iTvlian im zarals,<br />

rac saqarTvelom ganicada.<br />

ra Tqma unda, samwuxaroa,<br />

rom „gazpromze” Cveni zemoqmedebis<br />

berketebi gacilebiT sustia,<br />

vidre piriqiT.<br />

imis Tqma, rom erovnuli interesebi<br />

gaiyida gadaWarbebulia<br />

da absurdadac mimaCnia,<br />

Tumca racionaluri moqmedebebi<br />

unda viswavloT ara mxolod<br />

bunebrivi airis gamoyenebis,<br />

aramed samewarmeo kulturis, biznesis<br />

principebis dalagebis<br />

mxriv. ufro kompetentur da<br />

kvalificiur kadrebs unda mieces<br />

gasaqani nebismieri Tanamdebobis<br />

dakavebisas, TanamSromelma<br />

Tavis samuSao adgilze qveynis<br />

interesebis dacva unda SeZlos.<br />

moispos is SemTxveva, roca naTesauri,<br />

an axlobluri niSniT antipatriotul<br />

saqmianobas veweviT.<br />

_ TebervalSi laris kursis<br />

mkveTr ryevas ar elodebiT?<br />

_ TebervalSi mainc apokalipsur<br />

Sedegebs ar velodebi, garkveuli<br />

pozitiuri niSnebi aris<br />

da savaluto fondmac, sxvaTa<br />

Soris, dadebiTi Sefaseba dado,<br />

romelic or cifrTan miaxloebuli<br />

ar aris, magram sxvebis<br />

fonze mainc kargia. ukan gadamsrolel<br />

mkveTr ryevas namdvilad<br />

ar velodebi.<br />

zogierTi bankiris SexedulebiT<br />

ki TebervalSi bankebis<br />

mdgomareoba mkveTrad uaryofiTisken<br />

Seicvleba, Tumca es<br />

mosaxleobaze ara da maT saqmianobaze<br />

SeiZleba aisaxos.<br />

fragmenti erovnuli bankis<br />

prezidentis<br />

interviudan<br />

(romelic zemoT vaxsene), pasuxi<br />

kiTxvaze, Tu rodis dastabil-<br />

urdeba lari?<br />

„mcuravi gacvliTi kursis<br />

pirobebSi SeuZlebelia kursis<br />

moklevadiani periodis cvlilebis<br />

prognozireba. amave dros,<br />

rogoric unda iyos molodinebiT<br />

gamowveuli kursis moklevadiani<br />

meryeoba, saSualo da<br />

grZelvadian periodSi is yovelTvis<br />

ubrundeba grZelvadian,<br />

fundamenturi ekonomikuri faqtorebiT<br />

ganpirobebul trends,<br />

radgan SeuZlebelia fundamenturi<br />

faqtorebidan mniSvnelovnad<br />

gadaxrili kursis didxans<br />

SenarCuneba. SegviZlia vTqvaT,<br />

rom kursis moklevadiani meryeoba<br />

xels uwyobs kursis grZelvadian<br />

stabilurobas. grZelvadian<br />

periodSi gacvliTi kursis<br />

dinamika damokidebulia, erTi<br />

mxriv, qveyanaSi produqtiulobis<br />

zrdis tempze da, meore<br />

mxriv, inflaciis doneze. miuxedavad<br />

imisa, rom saqarTveloSi<br />

ekonomikuri zrdis tempi bolo<br />

wlebSi Semcirda, is mainc ufro<br />

maRalia, vidre Cvens ZiriTad<br />

savaWro partnior qveynebSi”, _<br />

ambobs gvenetaZe.<br />

isRa dagvrCenia, Tebervals<br />

davelodoT da vnaxoT, rogori<br />

iqneba igi mosaxleobisa da araprofiluri<br />

aqtivebis mflobeli<br />

bankebisTvis?<br />

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rogor ebrZvis saqarTvelo ,,fulis<br />

rogorc „qronika+”-isTvis gax-<br />

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da cnobili, saxelmwifo struq-<br />

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turebis warmomadgenlebs, donori<br />

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biT, treningebi utardebaT, rogor unda ebrZolon danaSauls,<br />

romelsac xalxi „fulis gaTeTrebas” uwodebs. rogorc amboben,<br />

am RonisZiebis farglebSi ucxoeTidan aRniSnuli saqmis<br />

specialistebi moiwvies, romlebic sakuTar gamocdilebas<br />

qarTvelebs uziareben. treningSi monawileobs aseve ad-<br />

vokatTa asociacia, romelsac iq warmoadgens eTikis komisiis<br />

wevri, samarTlis dargis specialisti, giorgi turazaSvili.<br />

Cvenc swored baton giorgis SevxvdiT. masTan saubari saintereso<br />

imiTac aRmoCnda, rom dagvpirda, „qronika+”-is kiTx-<br />

vebsac gaxdida am Sexvedrebze gansjisa da msjelobis sagnad.<br />

ra xdeba „fulis gaTeTrebis” kuTxiT Cvens qveyanaSi? ras<br />

aswavlian ucxoelebi qarTvel samarTaldamcvelebs da ra sax-<br />

is kiTxvebi aqvs „qronika+”-s aRniSnul sakiTxze?<br />

giorgi turazaSvili:<br />

_ evrokavSirma fulis gaTe-<br />

Trebisa da terorizmis winaaRmdeg<br />

brZolis direqtiva miiRo,<br />

2010 wlidan ki saqarTvelom sakuTari<br />

pozicia gamoxata, rom is<br />

mzad aris am danaSaulTan sabrZolvelad.<br />

mTavar prokuraturaSi<br />

arsebobs sammarTvelo, romelic<br />

am danaSauls ebrZvis da mas aqvs<br />

kidevac warmoebaSi msgavsi saqmeebi.<br />

mec myavs amerikeli da britaneli<br />

klientebi, investorebi,<br />

romlebic fulis gaTeTrebis msxverplni<br />

aRmoCndnen.<br />

_ radgan saqarTveloSi aseT<br />

saqmeebs iZieben, e. i. qarTvele-<br />

bmac gaaTeTres fuli?<br />

_ Cems klientTan dakavSirebiT<br />

imdenad rTuli procesebia, rom<br />

jer kidev bolomde ar aris cnobili,<br />

vin da ra Caidina. ukve meore<br />

welia, gamoZieba mimdinareobs<br />

da bolo jer ar uCans. saqarTvelos<br />

bankebi gadaricxvebs axorcieleben<br />

da xSir SemTxvevaSi<br />

SesaZlebelia, rom swored aq moxdes<br />

fulis gaTeTreba. aris sxva<br />

sferoebic, sadac fulis gaTe-<br />

Trebis albaToba didia da ar gamovricxav,<br />

aseTi faqtebi iq xdeba<br />

kidevac. mesame welia, am danaSaulis<br />

winaaRmdeg brZolis kampania-<br />

Si var da bevri ram movismine da<br />

gavige. donori organizaciebis<br />

meSveobiT TiTqmis yvela saWiro<br />

segmentia CarTuli treningSi da<br />

erToblivi Sexvedrebic tardeba,<br />

sadac vecnobiT fulis gaTeTrebis<br />

meqanizmebs, riskebsa da a. S.<br />

am etapisTvis gamoikveTa, rom<br />

fulis gaTeTrebis yvelaze meti<br />

riski bankebSia.<br />

_ sanam gvetyviT, ratom Cai-<br />

Tvala yvelaze riskisSemcvelad<br />

bankebi da ara sxva struqture-<br />

bi, iqamde, iqneb, sazogadoebas<br />

martivad auxsnaT, ras gulisx-<br />

mobs termini fulis gaTeTreba?<br />

giorgi turazaSvili:<br />

`riskebi ara<br />

mxolod bankebsa<br />

da kerZo<br />

investorebSia,<br />

aramed politikasa<br />

da saxelmwifo<br />

struqturebSic!~<br />

_ fulis gamTeTrebeli aris<br />

piri, romelsac aqvs „Savi fuli”.<br />

„Sav fulSi” igulisxmeba danaSaulebrivi<br />

gziT mopovebuli finansebi,<br />

an qoneba. SeiZleba isic,<br />

rom fuli ar iyos danaSaulebrivi,<br />

magram arc kanonieri gziT<br />

iyos mopovebuli, anu roca dar-<br />

Rveulia administraciuli, an sxva<br />

kanonmdebloba da misi gverdis<br />

avliT aqvs miRebuli. magaliTad,<br />

roca mewarme damalavs gadasaxads<br />

da sagadasaxado kanonmdeblobis<br />

gverdis avliT, saxelmwifos-<br />

Tvis dakanonebuli Semosavlis<br />

gadaxdis gareSe aiRebs Tanxas. im<br />

fuls, romelic am formiT dar-<br />

Ca, sakuTari keTildReobisTvis<br />

gamoiyenebs da a. S. am mizniT is<br />

warmomadgenlobiTi xasiaTis pirebs<br />

daukavSirdeba da maTTan SeTanxmebis<br />

Semdeg SeiZenen qonebas,<br />

romelSic am mewarmesac aqvs interesebi.<br />

Semdeg man, SeiZleba,<br />

axali kompania Seqmnas da es qoneba<br />

partniorul wilSi Cados, is<br />

gaasxvisos da a. S., anu kvali arios.<br />

arsebobs termini predikati,<br />

rac niSnavs im dausabuTebel,<br />

ukanono mdgomareobas, romliTac<br />

am adamianma kvalis areva daiwyo<br />

da xeli mihyo ukanonod xelSi<br />

Cagdebuli materialuri resursis<br />

gakanonierebas, igive gaTeTrebas.<br />

mizani ki is gaxldaT, rom ukanonobis<br />

pirveli saxe damaluliyo.<br />

amitomac vambob, rom fulis<br />

gamTeTreblis Secnoba advili ar<br />

aris da mas xangrZlivi monitoringi<br />

sWirdeba.<br />

arsebobs fulis gaTeTrebis<br />

sxvadasxva forma da meTodic.<br />

erT-erTi aris internetis meSveobiT<br />

fulis gaTeTreba. iqmneba<br />

vebgverdebi, romliTac momxmareblebs<br />

momsaxurebas uweven. misi<br />

realuri mflobeli ar identificirdeba<br />

da aravin icis, vin<br />

aris is, Tumca vebgverdidan yidis<br />

medikamentebs, tansacmels,<br />

nivTebs. aseve SeiZleba internet-<br />

Si vinmes TamaSebi hqondes da momsaxureoba<br />

fasiani iyos. am vebgverdis<br />

mflobeli sazogadoebasTan<br />

ndobas amyarebs, Tanxebs<br />

iRebs da uceb virtualur xelSekrulebas<br />

moqalaqeebTan wyvets,<br />

gadaxdil Tanxebs ki iTvisebs. misi<br />

moZebna, ra Tqma unda, advili ar<br />

aris. bankebSi fulis gaTeTrebas<br />

Tanxebze daniSnulebis miTiTebebiT<br />

axdenen. es SeiZleba iyos<br />

uZravi qonebis SeZena, iuridiuli<br />

momsaxureba, auditi; aseve erTi<br />

qveynis bankidan meore qveyanaSi<br />

Tanxis gadaricxva, TiTqos iq<br />

raime unda SeiZinos, mere im qveynidan<br />

sxva qveyanaSi gadaricxvebi,<br />

ra drosac, sabolood, fuli<br />

ikargeba. aseTi saqmeebi aqvT saqarTvelos<br />

prokuraturis im sammarTveloSi,<br />

romelic am saxis<br />

danaSauls iZiebs. es danaSauli<br />

sisxlis samarTlis kodeqsis 194-<br />

e muxliT ganixileba da mas iuridiul<br />

enaze hqvia: ukanono Semosavlis<br />

legalizacia, frCxilebSi<br />

ki miTiTebulia _ fulis<br />

gaTeTreba.<br />

aseTi saqme warmoebaSi mec<br />

maqvs da mas ukve sasamarTlo ixilavs.<br />

erT-erT pirovnebas bralad<br />

waredgina ukanono Semosavlis<br />

legalizaciis muxli. saxelmwifo<br />

cdilobs, mas daumtkicos, rom<br />

iuridiulad registrirebuli<br />

kompania ar hqonda, arc sxva legaluri<br />

warmonaqmni da sxvadasxva<br />

saxis qonebas savaWro operaciebisTvis<br />

iyenebda: yidulobda<br />

da yidda. aseTi braldeba piris<br />

mimarT SeiZleba mcdaria da is ar<br />

iyos fulis gaTeTreba. radgan<br />

Cvens qveyanaSi es gamowveva axalia,<br />

ar gamovricxav, rom sagamo-<br />

Ziebo organoebi eqsperimentebsac<br />

atarebdnen msgavsi saqmeebis Seqmnis<br />

TvalsazrisiT. cdilobdnen,<br />

yvelafers fulis gaTeTreba<br />

daarqvan, raTa mere daakvirdnen,<br />

rogor daicavs braldebuli Tavs<br />

sasamarTloSi, ras ityvis mosamarTle<br />

da a. S. Tumca aseve sxva<br />

klienti myavs, romelic am formis<br />

danaSaulis gamo dazaralebulia.<br />

mTavar prokuraturaSi, Cemi<br />

aqtivobiT, aTeuli tomia am<br />

saqmeze Seqmnili, magram vxedav,<br />

rom iq mxolod ramdenime gamomZiebeli<br />

da prokuroria kvalificiuri<br />

aRniSnul sakiTxebSi.<br />

_ sazogadoebaSi xSirad saubroben,<br />

rom saxelmwifo struq-<br />

turebSi momuSave adamianebi, ma-<br />

RalCinosnebic axerxeben fulis<br />

gaTeTrebas, „atkatebs”, aseve<br />

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samedicino daxmarebasac ar<br />

gagiweven. metic, lodiniT amoxdian<br />

suls da ufro avad gagxdian.<br />

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nana TodaZe:<br />

`ra sindisiT<br />

zis parlamentSi<br />

oqriaSvili da<br />

ar interesdeba,<br />

rogor eqcevian<br />

xalxs mis<br />

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kaxa oqriaSvili<br />

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aRar minda Tqveni eqimi, lodini<br />

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cxeli xaziT Cawerilebi unda<br />

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amitom, raRacnairad, unda<br />

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_ vaime, Tqven kidev ar SesulxarTo?<br />

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am kabinetSi, Tqveni saqme ar<br />

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isinic momiwerdnen xels. roca<br />

es werili gamoqveyndeba, me mgoni,<br />

es pacientebi Tqven Tavad dagikav-<br />

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yuradRebas Tavis klinikas da ar interesdeba,<br />

ra xdeba iq?! davijero, ar icis, iq rogor<br />

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da rogor uyurebs adamianebs TvalebSi?!<br />

minda, am werilSi im adamianebis saxeliTac<br />

gamovxato protesti, romlebsac am<br />

saavadmyofoSi ufro umZimeben mdgomareobas.<br />

dabeCavebuli idga xalxi da roca dainaxes,<br />

rom me maT usamarTlo saqciels<br />

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iq misuli pacientebis 90% ukmayofilebas<br />

gamoxatavda da SeiZleba, aseTi dawesebuleba<br />

Tavis nebaze iyos miSvebuli?~<br />

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deo. amasobaSi registraciasTan<br />

qalic movarda, romelic kioda, _<br />

avad var, Tavi aRar maqvs, rigSi<br />

rom vidge, eqimi Seketilia da ras<br />

akeTebs, ver gamigiao. aRmoCnda,<br />

xalxs fuls winaswar imitom arTmeven,<br />

momsaxureba rom nuli aqvT<br />

da eSiniaT, ar gaeqcnen. mere sxvebmac<br />

miTxres, rac mand ambebi trialebs,<br />

aseTi arc erT saavadmyofoSi<br />

ar xdebao. es gaxlavT or-<br />

TaWalaSi, Zveli ofTalmologiis<br />

klinikaSi ganTavsebuli „psp”-s saavadmyofo,<br />

romlis mflobelic<br />

aris kaxa oqriaSvili, „psp”-s xelmZRvaneli<br />

da parlamentis wevri.<br />

mokled, mec miTxres, rom amjerad<br />

gadaxdil fuls ukan ver<br />

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amis Sesaxeb Tavad Sematyobinebdnen.<br />

Zalian gavbrazdi da<br />

pasuxismgebeli piris moyvana moviTxove.<br />

Camoiyvanes is gogona, romelic<br />

rigSi dgomis dros modioda<br />

da gaocebuli mekiTxeboda,<br />

kidev ar SesulxarT eqimTano? man<br />

administraciaSi wamiyvana. roca iq<br />

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viRac qali gamovida, romelmac<br />

miTxra, me Tqven ar gesaubrebiTo<br />

da sxvebTan daiwyo garCeva,<br />

ratom mekava istoria xelSi da<br />

vin momca. gankargulebebs aZlevda,<br />

es daafiqsireT oqmSi, iq ase da<br />

ise CawereTo. me yuradRebas arc<br />

ki maqcevda, ise gascemda brZanebebs<br />

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me da Cemi avadmyofi Svili,<br />

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rac moxda, uTxra, _ ratom aCerebT<br />

am qalbatons, ra undoda<br />

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qalbatono, me mapatieT da<br />

Tanxa 10 wuTSi dagibrundebaTo.<br />

_ bolos fuli dagibrunes?<br />

_ isic unda giTxraT, rom roca<br />

samedicino dawesebulebaSi Tavdapirvelad<br />

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baraTi gaxsnes, Cems Svils<br />

maSinve moawerines xeli. iq rac<br />

weria, maSin imis wasakiTxad sad<br />

gvecala, magram roca saxlSi movitane,<br />

iq sul maTTvis sasargebloa<br />

Cawerili. TiTqos iq misul pacients<br />

maTi wesebi gaacnes, man<br />

icis, rom iq xdeba audio da video<br />

Cawera da a. S. faqtobrivad, es<br />

gaxlavT is, rom Tu pacienti raime<br />

pretenzias gamoxatavs, amas miafareben<br />

da etyvian, ai, xeli gaqvs<br />

mowerili, rom CvenTan rac xdeba,<br />

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winaswar icodi, Tu Cveni pirobebi<br />

ar mogwondaT, nu darCebodiT da<br />

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iq?! davijero, ar icis, iq rogor<br />

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aqvT? ra sindisiT zis parlamentSi<br />

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uyurebs adamianebs TvalebSi?! minda,<br />

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am saavadmyofoSi ufro<br />

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idga xalxi da roca dainaxes,<br />

rom me maT usamarTlo saqciels<br />

winaaRmdegobas vuwevdi, mere<br />

yvelam xma amoiRo da sakuTari<br />

gulistkivili daafiqsira. iq misuli<br />

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gamoxatavda da SeiZleba, ase-<br />

Ti dawesebuleba Tavis nebaze iyos<br />

miSvebuli?<br />

bolos elene Tavad Camomyva<br />

pirvel sarTulze da ukve saRamos<br />

amaRebina Cem mier diliT gadaxdili<br />

Tanxa. Cemi Svili am dRes<br />

eqimis gareSe darCa. im RamiT ise<br />

cudad gaxda, iZulebuli gavxdiT,<br />

rom gaTenebas ar davlodebodiT<br />

da onkologiur saavadmyofoSi<br />

wagveyvana.<br />

_ ra aRmoaCnda salomes?<br />

_ aRmoCnda, rom kuWis Semavali<br />

da gamavali sarqvlebi Ria iyo.<br />

eqimma miTxra, magari gogo yofila,<br />

aseT tkivilebs rom gauZloo.<br />

ai, aseT avadmyofs alodines<br />

eqimTan mTeli dRe.<br />

am saqmes Tavs ar davanebeb. arc<br />

erT SemTxvevaSi ar egonoT, rom<br />

aseT saqciels vinmes vapatieb. roca<br />

es werili daibeWdeba, gazeTs,<br />

dokumentacias xelSi aviReb da<br />

jandacvis saministros samedicino<br />

regulirebis saagentos mivadgebi,<br />

sadac iq momuSave medicinis muSakebis<br />

pasuxismgeblobis sakiTxis<br />

dayenebas moviTxov. samedicino<br />

dawesebulebas ki sasamarTloSi<br />

vuCivleb da kaxa oqriaSvils kompensacias<br />

movTxov, rom aseT TanamSromlebs<br />

mfarvelobs. kidev imitom,<br />

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„qronika+"-ma, cxadia, pirvel<br />

rigSi, klinika „niu hospitalss"<br />

mimarTa. sazogadoebasTan urTier-<br />

Tobis samsaxuris ufrosma xarisxis<br />

ganyofilebis xelmZRvanelTan,<br />

elene maWavarianTan gadagvamisamarTa,<br />

romelic pacient salome<br />

maziaSvilis eqimTan vizitis dros<br />

Seqmnil konfliqtur situacias<br />

Seeswro. es qalbatoni Cvens respondentsac<br />

hyavs moxseniebuli<br />

intervius dros. man gviTxra, rom<br />

pacienti iyo urgentuli (anu ar<br />

gaxldaT gadaudebeli, radgan<br />

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ultrasonografia da radgan<br />

winaswar ar iyo Cawerili eqimTan<br />

da cocxal rigSi Cadga, lodini<br />

mouxda. "pacientis mSobeli imis<br />

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mas surda da fulis ukan gatana<br />

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Tanxa da Sesabamisi dokumentebic".<br />

rodesac salomes vkiTxeT,<br />

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xani lodini mouwevda. im dros<br />

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unda moecadaT, sanam mas ar gasinjavda,<br />

Semdeg ki aucileblad miiRebda.<br />

cxadia, elenem saubris<br />

dros ver gaiTvaliswina, rom 2<br />

saaTidan xuTis naxevramde 2-saaTnaxevaria<br />

da erT pacientze Tu<br />

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mis kabinetTan yovelTvis iqneba<br />

rigi.<br />

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saWirod ar CavTvaleTo.<br />

amis Semdeg gvindoda, Tavad<br />

klinikis direqtors, parlamentis<br />

deputat kaxa oqriaSvils davkav-<br />

SirebodiT da momCivani qalbatonis<br />

naTqvami gadagveca. parlamentis<br />

umravlesobis prescentris xelmZRvanelma<br />

yuradRebiT mogvismina<br />

da gviTxra, am yvelafers baton<br />

kaxas gadavcem da Tu isurvebs,<br />

dagikavSirdebiTo. rogorc<br />

Cans, batonma kaxam CvenTan gasaubreba<br />

ar isurva da cxadia, arc<br />

dagvkavSirebia.<br />

bolos, jandacvis saministros<br />

samedicino regulirebis saagentosac<br />

mivmarTeT, romelmac aseTi<br />

komentari gagvikeTa: Tu pacients<br />

an mis kanonier warmomadgenels<br />

pretenzia eqneba gaweuli samedicino<br />

momsaxurebis xarisxze da<br />

gancxadebiT momarTavs regulirebis<br />

saagentos, sakiTxs saagento<br />

kompetenciis farglebSi Seiswavlis.<br />

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quTaisis centralur moedans, ramdenime SenobasTan erTad,<br />

raoden samwuxaroc ar unda iyos, saxedakarguli da mouvleli<br />

istoriuli bulvaris nawili akravs. moednis erT kuTxe-<br />

Si, SemaRlebul adgilze, aucileblad SeniSnavT saaTs,<br />

romelic qalaqis, erTgvar, simbolosac ki warmoadgens. adre<br />

Seyvarebulebs swored am saaTTan hqondaT Sexvedris adgili.<br />

ZirZvel quTaislebs aqve arsebuli kibeebis zemoT restora-<br />

ni „Toliac” axsovT, romelic aseve TavSeyris saukeTeso da<br />

sasiamovno adgils warmoadgenda. wlebia, aRniSnul teritorias<br />

meurve xeli namdvilad aklia, ris gamoc igi antisani-<br />

tariisa da gaurkveveli pirebis TavSeyris adgilad iqca.<br />

ramdenime dRis winaT teritoriis<br />

erTi nawili SemoiRoba<br />

da misi samSeneblo samuSaoebisTvis<br />

momzadebis procesi daiwyo.<br />

rogorc gairkva, ekonomikis<br />

saministrom miwis nawili, kibeebidan<br />

trotuaramde, „makdonaldsis”<br />

restornis asaSeneblad<br />

kompania „T&k restornebs” gadasca.<br />

aRniSnuli informacia mosaxleobis<br />

erTi nawilis ukmayofilebis<br />

mizezi gaxda. socialuri<br />

qseliT Tu pirad saubreb-<br />

Si isini sakuTar pozicias Riad<br />

afiqsireben.<br />

sajaro reestris erovnuli<br />

saagentos monacemebiT, quTais-<br />

Si, daviT aRmaSeneblis moedanze,<br />

1416 kv.m. miwis farTobze<br />

uflebis registracia „T&k restornebma”<br />

gasuli wlis 24<br />

noembers miiRo. aqvea miTiTebuli,<br />

rom 128 kv.m. farTi datvirTulia<br />

servitutiT. proeqtis<br />

mixedviT, romelic, jerjerobiT,<br />

aravis unaxvas, restorani<br />

2-sarTuliani iqneba.<br />

am etapisTvis gaurkvevelia,<br />

restornis SemosazRvrul farglebSi<br />

agebis SemTxvevaSi ra<br />

bedi eweva quCis saaTs, romelic<br />

qalaqis centrSi 1963 wlidan<br />

dgas. saaTis Zveli versiis avtori<br />

arqiteqtori boris jafariZe<br />

gaxldaT, romelmac aRniSnuli<br />

namuSevrisTvis jildoc miiRo.<br />

„arqiteqturis samsaxuri karga<br />

xania, amowyda! qalaqis centraluri<br />

moedani quTaisis savizito<br />

baraTia. am adgils Tavisi<br />

istoria aqvs da sakuTari originaluri<br />

iersaxe sWirdeba. samwuxarod,<br />

amaze aravin zrunavs.<br />

Cven rom ase amayad mogvwons<br />

Tavi winaprebis naSenebi kulturuli<br />

ZeglebiT, Tavad ras vetyviT<br />

sakuTar Svilebs? bravo,<br />

saqarTvelo, bravo!” _ ase gamoxata<br />

ukmayofileba Tavis feisbuqgverdze<br />

quTaiselma Jurnalistma<br />

nana faxuriZem da Tanaqalaqelebs<br />

mSeneblobis winaa-<br />

Rmdeg protestis gamoxatvisken<br />

mouwoda.<br />

„samuSaoebi meriam SeaCera,<br />

jer proeqti damtkicebuli ar<br />

aris. igi gadagzavnilia kulturuli<br />

memkvidreobis saagentoSi.<br />

sakiTxs isini ganixilaven, miscemen<br />

Tu ara am adgilze mSeneblobis<br />

uflebas”, _ es ganmarteba<br />

ki meriis pressamsaxurs ekuTvnis,<br />

romelic socialur qselSi<br />

atexil ganxilvas mohyva da romelmac<br />

vnebaTaRelva kidev ufro<br />

gaamZafra.<br />

28<br />

aCiko gegenava _ fotografi:<br />

_ „makdonaldsis” arseboba<br />

qalaqis centrSi cudi idea ar<br />

aris, magram ar momwons adgili,<br />

sadac aSenebas apireben. centralur<br />

moedanze arsebuli kibeebi<br />

da saaTi qalaqisTvis erTgvari<br />

savizito baraTia. swored<br />

am kibeebis dakargvaa guldasawyveti.<br />

Tuki aucileblobaa, maSin<br />

kibeebis zemoT, yofili restronis<br />

adgilze, an, Tundac, muzeumis<br />

aw ukve ufunqcio Senobis<br />

teritoriazec SeiZleba misi<br />

ageba.<br />

rac Seexeba arqiteqturis<br />

samsaxurs, miuxedavad imisa, rom<br />

aseTi struqtura meriaSi arsebobs<br />

da biujeti amisTvis solidur<br />

Tanxas xarjavs, vfiqrob,<br />

realurad qalaqs es samsaxuri<br />

ar gaaCnia da arc arasdros hqonia.<br />

es etyoba kidevac quTaiss.<br />

namdvilad sawyenia, rom qalaqis<br />

meriaSi ganacxadi 3 ianvars Sevida<br />

da darwmunebuli var, wesierad<br />

arc ganuxilavT, dauyovnebliv<br />

gasces ufleba. rogorc<br />

xdeba, swrafad daiwyes procesi,<br />

raTa moaswron da mere Tqvan,<br />

mSenebloba dawyebuli gvaqvs<br />

da ukve verafers vizamTo.<br />

samwuxarod, es praqtika mkvidrdeba.<br />

arada, sazogadoeba winaa-<br />

Rmdegia.<br />

vatikanSi „makdonaldss”<br />

ufleba misces, Zveli arqiteqturis<br />

SenobaSi gaexsna restorani<br />

da ara iseT nagebobaSi, rogori<br />

saxis proeqtebic am restornebis<br />

qsels aqvs. CvenTanac<br />

SesaZlebelia msgavsi praqtikis<br />

gamoyeneba, Tuki amis neba iqneba.<br />

bunebrivia, raRac minebiani<br />

da usaxuri Senoba centralur<br />

moedans ar mouxdeba. mimaCnia,<br />

rom saqarTveloSi erT-erTi<br />

gogi wulaia:<br />

`SemoRobe, ra,<br />

bostania Tu<br />

qalaqis centri,<br />

ver gavige?!~<br />

kargi moedani gvaqvs. amas Zalian<br />

bevri ucxoelic aRniSnavs da<br />

Sesabamisad, misi iersaxis Secvlas<br />

meti sifrTxiliT unda movekidoT.<br />

irakli julayiZe _ profe-<br />

sori:<br />

_ nebismier da, maT Soris,<br />

„makdonaldsis” kidev erTi restornis<br />

mSeneblobas quTaisSi<br />

mivesalmebi, magram ar unda dagvaviwydes,<br />

rom konkretul adgilas,<br />

sadac misi ageba surT, aris<br />

Teatri da sxva Senobebi, romlebic<br />

kulturuli memkvidreobis<br />

Zeglebs warmoadgenen. ar<br />

iqneboda cudi, kvebis obieqti<br />

aigos yofil restoran „Tolias”<br />

adgilze, sadac warmodgenili<br />

iqneba qarTuli samzareulo<br />

da ara „makdonaldsi”. es<br />

turistebisTvis gacilebiT mimzidveli<br />

da saintereso iqneba.<br />

„makdonaldsi” SesaZlebelia gaixsnas<br />

iseT ubanSi, sadac didi<br />

moZraoba ar aris, radgan es restorani<br />

TviTon miizidavs<br />

xalxs.<br />

mSeneblobisTvis kibeebis zemoT<br />

arsebuli teritoriis gamoiyeneba<br />

imiTac iqneba ukeTesi,<br />

rom arc trotuari daikargeba<br />

da vizitorebsac ufro moewonebaT<br />

iq dasxdoma, saidanac lamazi<br />

xedi iSleba. jer erTi, iq<br />

arsebul saaTs ratom swiraven<br />

amisTvis?! es saaTi xom quTaisisTvis<br />

ubralo, rigiTi saaTi ar<br />

aris?! _ sad SevxvdeTo? _ roca<br />

ityodnen, yvela pasuxobda, _<br />

saaTTano. ramdenime iraneli megobari<br />

myavs da isinic ki saaT-<br />

Tan xvdebian erTmaneTs.<br />

Temis mimarT araerTgvarovani<br />

pozicia daafiqsires politikuri<br />

partiebis warmomadgen-<br />

lebma. am kuTxiT gansakuTrebiT<br />

aqtiurobs partia „Tavisu-<br />

fali saqarTvelos” quTaiseli<br />

lideri, gogi wulaia, romelmac<br />

mSeneblobis adgilze aqciac<br />

gamarTa, policiac gamoiZa-<br />

xa da misi TqmiT, ukanonobis<br />

aRkveTac mosTxova.<br />

gogi wulaia _ partia „Tavis-<br />

ufali saqarTvelo”:<br />

_ jer visaubroT imaze, rac<br />

„makdonaldsis” mSeneblobiT<br />

WavWavaZis quCaze gaakeTes _ sivrce<br />

Caketes. axla uaresis gakeTeba<br />

undaT centralur moedanze.<br />

jandabas, zemoT, yofil<br />

restoran „Tolias” adgilze<br />

rom aSenebdnen, kidev araferi,<br />

magram, rogorc xedavT, pirdapir<br />

trotuari SemoRobes. mimaCnia,<br />

rom es daamaxinjebs qalaqs,<br />

mis istoriul nawils.<br />

sxvaTa Soris, rodesac „makdonaldsi”<br />

WavWavaZeze aaSenes,<br />

xelSekrulebaSi ido, rom unda<br />

ganxorcielebuliyo milion<br />

Svidasi aTasi laris investicia,<br />

gaekeTebinaT sabavSvo atraqcioni<br />

da mowyobiliyo parkingi,<br />

ara ise, axla rogoc aqvT SemoRobili<br />

da sadac 2-3 manqana<br />

eteva. garda amisa, 20 000 lari<br />

unda gadaecaT meriisTvis usaxlkaroebisTvis<br />

binis SesaZenad.<br />

arc erTi piroba ar Sesrulda.<br />

Wyoniam qalaqi gadaagdo.<br />

_ Tqven imuqrebiT, rom Tuki<br />

mSenebloba ar SeCerdeba, pi-<br />

radad daangrevT Robes.<br />

_ aba, gabedos da damidges<br />

vinme win! sasacilo aq ra aris,<br />

iciT? _ meriam mxolod Semo-<br />

Robvis Sesaxeb gasca nebarTva.<br />

aseTi pasuxi Cven mier gamoTxovil<br />

werilzec miviReT. mSeneblobis<br />

uflebas, Turme, kulturuli<br />

memkvidreobis saagentosTan<br />

rom SeTanxmdebian, mere<br />

gascemen. SemoRobe, ra, bostania<br />

Tu qalaqis centri, ver gavige?!<br />

rogorc Cans, Wyonias yvelaferi<br />

„gaiasnebuli” aqvs. magis Citi ar<br />

aris, is fuli tyuilad gadayaros.<br />

magram imedi maqvs, rom qu-<br />

Taislebi amyvebian. pirvel rig-<br />

Si, xelmowerebiT gavaprotestebT<br />

da Tu aucilebeli gaxdeba,<br />

aqciebsac movawyobT.<br />

warmoadginon proeqti, sainteresoa,<br />

ras apireben? rogori<br />

Senobis agebazea saubari da ramdenad<br />

Cajdeba igi centraluri<br />

moednis ganaSenianebaSi?<br />

isic gasarkvevia, miwis nakve-<br />

Ti rogor gaiyida? axla, ar mi-<br />

Txras vinmem, Worvilelebis sagvareulo<br />

miwa iyoo, Torem gadavirie.<br />

gviTxran, auqcioni iyo,<br />

Tu rogor gaasxvises? ratom<br />

moxda ase Cumad? esec garkveul<br />

eWvebs iwvevs.<br />

meriasa da mis mesveurT Rirseba<br />

ratom ar gaaCniaT da ratom<br />

akeTeben iseT rames, rac qalaqis<br />

interesebSi ar jdeba?!<br />

Tu magrebi arian, Seusrulebeli<br />

pirobis gamo mosTxovon is<br />

20 aTasi, axla ukve, procentiT<br />

Wyonias. ar daakldeba mas amiT<br />

araferi da ai, amis Semdeg visaubroT<br />

axlis Senebaze!<br />

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Temur camciSvili _ poli-<br />

tikuri gaerTianeba „girCi”:<br />

_ rogorc acxadeben, proeqti<br />

merias ar ganuxilavs. Tuki<br />

proeqti ar arsebobs da ar damtkicebula,<br />

maSin mSeneblobis<br />

dawyeba aranair standartSi ar<br />

jdeba. Tumca, zogadad, Tuki iseT<br />

proeqts warmoadgenen, romelic<br />

amovardnili ar iqneba sivrcidan<br />

da ar daamaxinjebs centralur<br />

moedans, cudi ar iqneba.<br />

rac ufro meti investicia<br />

Semova da rac meti kerZo biznesi<br />

dainteresdeba qalaqiT, misasalmebelia.<br />

_ Tuki nageboba Tanamedrove,<br />

standartuli iqneba, ise-<br />

Ti, rogorc qsels aqvs?<br />

_ SeiZleba, magram konteqstidan<br />

amovardnili ar unda<br />

iyos. saintereso iqneba arqiteqtorebisa<br />

da sxva specialistebis<br />

mosazreba. magram yvelaze<br />

met kiTxvis niSans badebs is,<br />

rom Tuki konturebi ganxiluli<br />

ar aris, ratom SemosazRvres?<br />

Tuki ganxilulia da proeqti<br />

arsebobs, maSin gvanaxon. gam-<br />

Wvirvaloba gamoiwvevs imas, rom<br />

Tu proeqti kargia, sazogadoebis<br />

mRelvarebac Caqreba.<br />

samson gugava _ „leiboris-<br />

tuli partia”:<br />

_ roca WavWavaZeze „makdonaldsi”<br />

Sendeboda, maSinac danaSaulebrivi<br />

iyo. Cven aqciebic<br />

gavmarTeT, magram cnobilia,<br />

rom WyoniasTvis xelis SemSleli<br />

barierebi ar arsebobda. iq,<br />

sadac axla aRniSnuli restorania,<br />

moZraobisTvis Semaferxebelia.<br />

maSin moedani gayides. igives<br />

sCadian axlac. Wyonia isev<br />

gavleniani personaa. dResac saxelisuflebo<br />

biznesmenad moiazreba.<br />

amjerad ara „nacionaluri<br />

moZraobis”, aramed „qarTuli<br />

ocnebis” Semomwirvelia. Sesabamisad,<br />

mas ufleba aqvs, meriasac<br />

Tavze daadgas „makdonaldsi”.<br />

qalaqis centrSi biznesobieqtis<br />

arseboba cudi ar aris, magram<br />

ar SeiZleba yvelafris ufleba<br />

gqondes, Tuki saxelisuflebo<br />

biznesmeni xar.<br />

baqar WeiSvili _ quTaisis<br />

meriis arqiteqturisa da zeda-<br />

mxedvelobis samsaxuris ufrosi:<br />

_ teritoria saxelmwifom<br />

gayida. Semotanilia proeqti,<br />

romelic ganxilvis procesSia.<br />

„makdonaldsis” warmomadgenlebs<br />

SevxvdiT, raRac miTiTebebi<br />

miveciT da axla am yvelafers<br />

kulturuli memkvidreobis saagentoSi<br />

gadavagzavniT, sadac<br />

ganixilaven, rogorc kulturuli<br />

memkvidreobis Zeglis areal-<br />

Si myof obieqts. jerjerobiT<br />

mSeneblobis nebarTva ar gaaCniaT.<br />

qalaqSi koeficientebi dadgenilia<br />

da, Sesabamisad, mas ar<br />

gadacildeba. igi im parametreb-<br />

Si unda Cajdes, rasac qalaqis<br />

iersaxe da centraluri moedani<br />

moiTxovs.<br />

vidre sazogadoeba msjelobs,<br />

aSendes Tu ara centralur<br />

moedanze „makdonaldsi”, saku-<br />

Tari pozicia sasuliero pirebmac<br />

gaasajaroes. maTma erTma<br />

nawilma swrafi kvebis obieqtis<br />

mSenebloba meriasTan misvliT<br />

gaaprotesta. isini qalaqis mersac<br />

Sexvdnen da ganucxades, rom<br />

aRniSnul teritoriaze „makdonaldsi”<br />

ar unda aSendes, radgan<br />

iq taZris ageba iyo gaTvaliswinebuli.<br />

rogorc qalaqis<br />

TviTmmarTvelobaSi ganmartes,<br />

kibis zeda nawilSi arsebuli,<br />

jerjerobiT, gausxvisebeli miwis<br />

nakveTi ekonomikis saministros<br />

ekuTvnis. mRvdlebma merias<br />

saministrosTan Suamdgomloba<br />

sTxoves, raTa teritoria<br />

maT gadaeceT. garda amisa, isini<br />

kibis saerTo sargeblobaSi datovebasac<br />

iTxoven. aRniSnuli<br />

moTxovnebis gaJRerebas sasuliero<br />

pirebi centralur moedanze<br />

mrevlTan erTadac apireben.<br />

cnobisTvis: wlebis winaT yofil<br />

restoran „Tolias” teritoriaze<br />

quTais-gaenaTeli mitropolitis,<br />

meufe kalistrates,<br />

iniciativiT jvari aRimarTa da<br />

gancxadeba gakeTda, rom iq taZari<br />

unda aRimarTos, Tumca eklesias<br />

arc miwis nakveTi gadascemia<br />

da saxelmwifos mSeneblobis<br />

gansaxorcieleblad arc<br />

raime saxis nebarTva gaucia.<br />

eklesiis pozicias iziarebs<br />

imereTis yofili gubernatori<br />

Temur SaSiaSvilic. eqsgubernatori<br />

centralur moedanze restornis<br />

mSeneblobis winaaRmdegia<br />

da qalaqis inteligencias<br />

dumilis darRvevisken mouwodebs.<br />

unda aRiniSnos, rom qalaqSi<br />

arsebuli Tavisufali miwis nakveTebi<br />

xSirad xvdeba eklesiis<br />

yuradRebis centrSi da igi adgilobriv<br />

xelisuflebasac maTi<br />

gadacemis TxovniT periodulad<br />

mimarTavs. ucnobia, ramdeni werili<br />

Sevida meriaSi da ramdenze<br />

miiRes uaryofiTi gadawyvetileba,<br />

magram faqtia, rom qalaq-<br />

Si mcire tipis taZrebis mSeneblobam<br />

masobrivi saxe miiRo.<br />

bolo wlebSi marto aRmaSeneblis<br />

prospeqtze ramdenime eklesia<br />

aSenda. gacilebiT bevri adgilia,<br />

sadac liTonisgan damzadebuli<br />

jvrebia aRmarTuli.<br />

aRsaniSnavia isic, rom eklesia-<br />

Ta didi nawili skverebSi Sendeba,<br />

romelTa naklebobas qalaqi<br />

namdvilad ganicdis. faqti er-<br />

Tia, adgilobrivi xelisufleba<br />

yovelTvis erideboda eklesiasTan<br />

urTierTobis daZabvas da<br />

xSirad daTmobaze wasvlas amjobinebda.<br />

jerjerobiT ucnobia,<br />

ramdenad Sesruldeba sasuliero<br />

pirebis amJamindeli<br />

moTxovna da SeZlebs Tu ara meria<br />

maT darwmunebas, rom sulierebasTan<br />

erTad qalaqSi biznesis<br />

ganviTarebac sasicocxlod<br />

mniSvnelovania da Tavisufal<br />

adgilebze, iq sadac mSenebloba<br />

dasaSvebia, sastumros, restornis,<br />

maRaziisa Tu sxva saxis komerciuli<br />

obieqtebis aSenebacaa<br />

SesaZlebeli.<br />

werili redaqcias<br />

mTeli Cemi cxovreba sul vSromobdi.<br />

2005 wlamde vmuSaobdi rogorc rigiT<br />

TanamSromlad, aseve xelmZRvanel Tanamdebobaze.<br />

viyavi bunebis dacvis zon-<br />

aluri inspeqciis ufrosi, garemos dacvis<br />

mcxeTis saqalaqo sammarTvelos ufrosi,<br />

sadac Semodioda, agreTve, axalgoris<br />

raioni, xolo 1995 wlidan garemos dacvis<br />

mcxeTa-mTianeTis regionuli sammarTve-<br />

los ufrosis moadgile 2005 wlamde. sul<br />

garemos dacviT samsaxurSi viSrome 27<br />

weli.<br />

N1 (178) 17.01-23.01.2017 w.<br />

2005 wlis gazafxulze sammarTveloSi<br />

movidnen mcxeTasTan da regionTan aravi-<br />

Tar kavSirSi myofi zaqaria dodaSvili,<br />

SemdgomSi sammarTvelos ufrosi daTo<br />

ecadaSvili, ufrosis moadgile da mT. specialisti<br />

levan badriZe. zaqaria dodaSvilma<br />

yvela TanamSromels ganucxada, rom<br />

Cven yvelani ganTavisuflebulebi varT.<br />

mizezi ar uTqvams. suyvelani saxlebSi<br />

wavediT. am dros garemos dacvis ministri<br />

iyo Tamar lebaniZe, romelmac Cvens gan-<br />

Tavisuflebaze ise moawera xeli, saministroSi<br />

arc ki davubarebivarT.<br />

cota xanSi zaqaria dodaSvilma me da<br />

ramdenime TanamSromeli dagvibara da SemogvTavaza<br />

rigiT TanamSromlebad muSaoba,<br />

razedac jer Tavi Sevikave, magram Semdgom<br />

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gamoCndeba. yoveli SemTxvevisTvis,<br />

„qronika+” Seecdeba, informaciebi<br />

moipovos da yvela mxares poziciis<br />

dafiqsirebis saSualeba<br />

misces.<br />

nino ZoweniZe<br />

30<br />

30 N1 (178) 17.01-23.01.2017 w.

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294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com<br />

axmeta fulis gareSe da Cavardnili biujeti?!<br />

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miscen. mokled: CvenTvis<br />

barieri ar aris sakrebulos daTxovna-ardaTxovna,<br />

CvenTvis problemaa,<br />

rom biujeti araadekvaturia<br />

da mxolod adekvaturs davuWerT<br />

mxars.<br />

irakli ujirauli _ sakrebu-<br />

los deputati da erT-erTi<br />

fraqciis Tavmjdomare:<br />

_ biujetis kanonproeqtSi aRmoCnda,<br />

rom socpaketSi Tanxebi<br />

Semcirebuli iyo im fonze, roca<br />

Zalian mcired moikles administraciuli<br />

xarjebi, magaliTad,<br />

sawvavze. aseve 2015 wels sawvavis-<br />

Tvis 60 aTasi lari Tu iyo gamoyofili,<br />

2017 wlisTvis 81 aTasi lari<br />

moiTxoves. gamomdinare iqidan,<br />

rom 2015 wels benzini gacilebiT<br />

Zviri Rirda, vidre 2016 wels da<br />

axla jer momatebulic ar aris,<br />

gaCnda kiTxva, _ Tu 2015 wels, roca<br />

sawvavi SedarebiT Zviri iyo, municipalitets<br />

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Sesyidvis xarji gazrdiliyo?<br />

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aseTi formiT Semcireba CvenTvis<br />

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moitanos da sakrebulom<br />

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cifrebi Seaqvs da kacma ar icis,<br />

im cifrebis ukan ra dgas. magali-<br />

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weria raRac cifri da gamgeoba<br />

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minda es Tanxa. am dros Cven<br />

ar viciT, sad romeli gza, romeli<br />

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gakeTeba, Tu ar aris saWiro? Cveni<br />

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sakrebulo maqsimaluriad unda<br />

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proeqts. mTlianobaSi, biujeti<br />

Cavarda. samwuxaro, iciT, ra aris?<br />

muSaoba imaze ki ar midis, rom<br />

sakrebulos wevrebTan erTad<br />

moxdes SeTanxmeba ama Tu im sakiTxze,<br />

erTad vimsjeloT biujetze<br />

da igi yvelasTvis misaRebi<br />

iyos, aramed muSaoba midis iqiT,<br />

rom aRmasrulebeli xelisufleba<br />

cdilobs, rogorme 16 adamianis xma<br />

moagrovos da ase gaitanos da daamtkicos<br />

biujeti. meti arc araferi<br />

anaRvlebs. ase rom, wels es<br />

tradicia dairRva da 2017 wels<br />

N1 (178) 17.01-23.01.2017 w.<br />

axmetis municipaliteti biujetis<br />

gareSe SevxvdiT. mgoni, es erTaderTi<br />

precedenti saqarTveloSi am<br />

wels Cven SevqmeniT. axla gveubnebian,<br />

dasxediT, imsjeleTo. Tumca<br />

me mainc vxedav, rom aRmasrulebels<br />

surs, im umravlesobis<br />

darCenil naSTaTn imuSaos da<br />

rogorme mainc moagrovos 16 xma.<br />

anu maT viwro partiuli molaparakebebis<br />

gamarTva undaT deputatebTan,<br />

Tumca imedi maqvs, rom<br />

es „separatistuli midgomebi” ver<br />

Sedgeba, radgan am procesSi Cven<br />

CaverTvebiT da vnaxoT, ra iqneba.<br />

_ Semoitanes Tu ara biujetis<br />

koreqtirebuli varianti?<br />

_ jerjerobiT, ar SemoutaniaT.<br />

Sesabamisad, axal variantSi rogor<br />

aris gawerili sakiTxebi, jer ar<br />

viciT.<br />

_ 2016 wlis gardamavali naSTi<br />

ramdeni dagrCaT?<br />

_ ai, kidev erTi saintereso sakiTxi:<br />

gardamavali naSTi wlidan<br />

wlamde gadmogvyva, Tu ar CavTvliT<br />

centraluri xelisuflebidan<br />

gadmoricxul Tanxebs. isic<br />

auTvisebelia da 745 000 lari dagvrCa,<br />

jamurad ki milion rvaasi<br />

aTasia. esec imaze mianiSnebs, rom<br />

sabiujeto procesi moSlilia.<br />

rogor SeiZleba, 7-milioniani biujetidan<br />

transferis garda, daaxloebiT,<br />

milioni gqondes gauxarjavad<br />

darCenili? anu, realurad,<br />

biujeti ar igegmeba. Tu gasul<br />

wlebSi gamgeoba sakrebulos rasac<br />

SesTavazebda, sakrebuloc eTanxmeboda,<br />

wels ase ar xdeba. am<br />

dReebSi muSaoba midis imaze,<br />

rogor ganawildes es naSTi, Tumca<br />

oficialurad jer arc es dokumenti<br />

Semosula CvenTan.<br />

ufro detalurad rom giTxraT,<br />

milion as oTxmocdasami<br />

lari biujetSi asasaxia, saidanac<br />

783 000 lari gasanawilebelia da<br />

danarCeni Tanxa ki gardamavali<br />

RonisZiebebisTvisaa saWiro. zogierTi<br />

proeqti ar Sesrulda, zogi<br />

dasasrulebelia da a. S.<br />

Tanxa soflis programaSia asa-<br />

Tvisebeli. warmogidgeniaT, Svidas<br />

raRaca aTasi lari modis soflis<br />

programaze da aqedan asi aTas larze<br />

meti asaTvisebelia! e. i. soflis<br />

programebSi samuSaoebi ar<br />

Sesrulebula.<br />

_ Tu Cavardeba?<br />

_ im SemTxvevaSi, Tu sami Tvis<br />

manZilze sakrebulom biujetis<br />

damtkiceba ver moaxerxa, sakrebulos<br />

daiTxoven, anu Tu pirvel aprilamde<br />

biujets ver davamtkicebT,<br />

maSin, kanonis mixedviT, da-<br />

Txovnili viqnebiT, Semdeg pirdapir<br />

saxelmwifo mmarTveloba Semova<br />

da kanonis Sesabamisad gamgebeli<br />

rCeba Tavis adgilze. premier-ministri<br />

ukve mas avalebs,<br />

rom sakanonmdeblo uflebebic<br />

SeiTavsos da sakrebulos funqciebic<br />

arCevnebamde. Tumca vfiqrob,<br />

rom procesi aqamde ar miva da<br />

ufro jansaRi, alternatiuli<br />

gzac gamoinaxeba.<br />

_ Tu sakrebulom Tavad ga-<br />

amzada biujetis axali kanonpro-<br />

eqtis alternatiuli varianti?<br />

_ Cvenc maqeT migvyavs saqme, anu<br />

Tanxa, romelic biujetis proeqt-<br />

Sia asaxuli (743000 lari naSTis<br />

saxiT), Tu sakrebulo movaxerxebT<br />

am sakiTxze SeTanxmebas, eWvi maqvs,<br />

rom damtkicdeba. TviTon procesi<br />

ise daiwyo, rom garda survilisa,<br />

davsxdeT, gaviaroT, gavaanalizoT<br />

es sakiTxebi, jerjerobiT,<br />

opozicia ar varT CarTulebi am<br />

sakiTxSi. ramdenime dRis win mcdeloba<br />

iyo, yofili koaliciis wevrebs<br />

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Tri uTanxmoeba warmoiSva da, Sesabamisad,<br />

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miRebis gareSe daiSalnen.<br />

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aseT muSaobas? gasul wels or-<br />

jer moiTxoveT Tavmjdomaris<br />

impiCmenti. es xom ar aris erTi<br />

mizezi, ris gamoc biujeti Tqve-<br />

nTvis miuRebelia?<br />

_ sakrebulos Tavmjdomare<br />

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ukve mesame welia, sakrebulos<br />

xelmZRvanelobs da Sedegi<br />

saxezea. es kaci Tavidanve mowodebis<br />

simaRleze rom yofiliyo,<br />

Tavmjdomare verafers gabedavda,<br />

Sesabamisad, mas unda, rom sakrebulo<br />

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speqtaklSi da, Sesabamisad, sanotaro<br />

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xmamaRla vsvam kiTxvas,<br />

_ vin aris sakrebulos Tavmjdomare?!<br />

roca romelime organizaciaSi<br />

procesi moSlilia, visi<br />

bralia?! ra Tqma unda, xelmZRvanelis!<br />

ratom aris „qronika+” yvelaze<br />

aRiarebuli da samarTliani<br />

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sakrebuloc. Cvens sakrebulos<br />

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mowyvetilia realur garemos da<br />

amitom sakrebuloc es wlebi sul<br />

CixSi iyo. dResac vambob, procesi<br />

moSlilia, samuSao garemo ar<br />

yofila, municipalitetTan jansaR<br />

polemikaSi ar SevsulvarT xalxis<br />

fulis dasagegmad da Sedegi? _<br />

ukeTesi produqti ver miviReT.<br />

dRes es 743 000 lari, darCenili<br />

Tanxa, rom moandes sakrebulos,<br />

Cveni damsaxurebaa da ara Tavmjdomaris.<br />

sakrebulos Tavmjdomare<br />

ki kvlav cdilobs, rom ramdenime<br />

kacs, vinc mxari dauWira samarcxvino<br />

biujets (marTalia, ver<br />

miiRo, magram mainc), maT daagegminos<br />

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programebis<br />

dagegmva da Tanxis Sesabamisad ganawileba.<br />

Cven aRmasrulebeli xelisuflebis<br />

sawvavebisa da bednieri<br />

cxovrebis mowyobas mxars<br />

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bedi ki bewvze kidia. ra iqne-<br />

ba momavalSi, ucnobia. Tu arc<br />

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gazafxulze axmeta sakrebulos<br />

gareSe darCeba da mas saxelmwifo<br />

mmarTveloba gadaibarebs.<br />

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gela mamulaSvili<br />

rom iuridiuli konsultaciidan<br />

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dawyebuli yvelaferSi davexm-<br />

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roT. ra Tqma unda, Tu profkav- _ ra Tqma unda, Sedegebi araerTgvarovani<br />

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baJic unda gadavixadoT<br />

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Cans, xelisuflebas amis imedi<br />

gaviTvaliswinebT (da rogorc<br />

mis ganxilvas bolomde mivyveT. aqvs), rom es sajaro seqtoria da<br />

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im valdebulebebs, ro-<br />

JRerebul 10%-s, 27-30 aTasi<br />

zustad is 10% gamodis, romelic<br />

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es, ZiriTadad, TviTmmarTvelobebia<br />

da iq raRac gansakuTrebuli<br />

Semcirebebi ar fiqsirdeba.<br />

yovel SemTxvevaSi, aseTi informacia<br />

ar gagvaCnia. magram sadac<br />

aseT informaciaze wvdoma ar<br />

gvaqvs, am uwyebebSi werilebi<br />

mivwereT da moviTxoveT, rom informacia<br />

moecaT, hqondaT Tu<br />

ara reorganizaciisa da optimizaciis<br />

gegmebi, arsebobs Tu ara<br />

adamianebis ganTavisuflebis safrTxe<br />

da vnaxoT, Sedegebis Sesaxeb<br />

Tvis bolos gvecodineba.<br />

_ manamde, kanonmdeblobis<br />

moTxovnebs icaven, kompensacie-<br />

bi gaicema da a. S.?<br />

_ zog SemTxvevaSi. rogorc<br />

wesi, kanoni iTvaliswinebs, rom<br />

damsaqmeblis iniciativiT reorganizaciis<br />

SemTxvevaSi (Tu kadrebis<br />

Semcireba aris dagegmili),<br />

orTviani kompensaciis<br />

vada savaldebuloa. xazs vusvam,<br />

rom amas kanoni iTxovs, magram<br />

rasac vuyurebT, aqac araerTgvarovani<br />

damokidebulebaa.<br />

cdiloben, am adamianebis xarjze<br />

ekonomia gaakeTon. zogi ai-<br />

Zulon, gancxadeba TviTonve daweros<br />

da am SemTxvevaSi kompensacia<br />

ar gaicema. an kidev kanons<br />

arRveven, roca ganTavisuflebis<br />

brZanebas pirdapir xelSi aZleven.<br />

rasakvirvelia, es adamianebi<br />

sasamarTloSi wavlen, iq<br />

idaveben. am Tanxis gadaxda mere<br />

savaldebulo iqneba da biujets<br />

misi anazRaureba aucileblad<br />

mouwevs. es sakmaod didi moculobis<br />

SeiZleba gaxdes, Tuki ase-<br />

Ti adamianebis raodenoba gaizrdeba.<br />

yovel SemTxvevaSi, Cven<br />

ra informaciac gvaqvs, aseTi tipis<br />

ganTavisuflebebi zogierT<br />

struqturaSi ukve dafiqsirda.<br />

am adamianebma Cven ukve mogvakiTxes<br />

da gvTxoven, rom amasTan<br />

dakavSirebiT vidavoT.<br />

_ SegiZliaT, es struqturebi<br />

daasaxeloT?<br />

_ CvenTan dacvis policiidan<br />

arian mosulebi, maT hqondaT ase-<br />

Ti problema, anu gaufrTxileblad<br />

gaaTavisufles. aseTebi<br />

arian infrastruqturis saministros<br />

TanamSromlebi, romlebmac<br />

gviTxres, rom procedurebi<br />

daculi ki iyo, magram reorganizacias<br />

Statebis Semcireba<br />

Tuki moyveba, adamiani am SemTxvevaSi<br />

unda gaaTavisuflo; Tuki<br />

Statebs daitoveb da mere iq sxvebs<br />

daniSnav, es ukve darRvevaa<br />

da davis sagania.<br />

_ aseT adamianebs profkavSiri,<br />

konkretulad, ra tipis dax-<br />

marebas hpirdeba?<br />

_ maqsimalurad vcdilobT,<br />

`iqneba kategoria, romelic, ubralod,<br />

Seecdeba, sxva samsaxuri monaxos, magram,<br />

mogexsenebaT, dRes ramxela problemaa<br />

samsaxuris dawyeba. SeiZleba, im maRali<br />

kategoriisa da kvalifikaciis adamianebma<br />

saerTod datovon qveyana da amiT tvinebis<br />

gadineba moxdes. aseve SesaZlebelia,<br />

Camoyalibdes kategoria, romelic quCaSi<br />

gamova da pozicias daafiqsirebs, pozicias<br />

imasTan dakavSirebiT, rom qveyanaSi, sadac<br />

umuSevrobis Semweoba ar arsebobs, samsaxuris<br />

dakargvidan ojaxis ulukmapurod datovebamde<br />

erTi xelis gawvdenaa. aseTi adamianebi,<br />

ubralod, Seecdebian, rom sakuTari<br />

samarTali quCaSi ipovon~<br />

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bobs, samsaxuris dakargvidan<br />

ojaxis ulukmapurod datovebamde<br />

erTi xelis gawvdenaa. ase-<br />

Ti adamianebi, ubralod, Seecdebian,<br />

rom sakuTari samarTali<br />

quCaSi ipovon.<br />

_ am situaciaSi sasamarTlo<br />

xelisufleba ramdenad gai-<br />

ziarebs am adamianTa poziciebs?<br />

_ samwuxarod, Cven sajaro<br />

samsaxuris Sesaxeb iseTi kanoni<br />

gvaqvs, romelic, xSirad, calsaxad<br />

marto damsaqmeblis interess<br />

icavs. anu am kanonSi balansi ukve<br />

karga xania, darRveulia da is,<br />

praqtikulad, ufro damsjeli<br />

kanonia, vidre dambalansebeli.<br />

Sesabamisad, bevr SemTxvevaSi<br />

romelime dawesebuleba marTali<br />

aRmoCndeba xolme, rodesac aseT<br />

reorganizaciebs akeTebs. magram<br />

amis miuxedavad, zogierTi damsaqmebeli<br />

mainc cdilobs, rom es<br />

maxinji kanonic ki uaryos da im<br />

darRvevebiT gaaTavisuflos adamiani<br />

samsaxuridan, rom kompensaciac<br />

ar misces da TavisTvis<br />

cxovreba maqsimalurad gaimartivos.<br />

am SemTxvevaSi sasamarTlo<br />

yovelTvis Seecdeba is arCevani<br />

gaakeTos, ris saSualebasac<br />

kanoni miscems. zogjer dar-<br />

RvevebiT Catarebuli reorganizaciebisa<br />

da optimizaciebis<br />

SemTxvevaSi, rasakvirvelia, sasamarTloc<br />

verafers gaakeTebs,<br />

magram bevri SemTxveva dagvifiqsirebia,<br />

rodesac sasamarTlos<br />

gamamarTlebeli ganaCenic gamoaqvs<br />

da metic, dawesebulebidan<br />

ganacduris anazRaurebasac<br />

moiTxovs xolme.<br />

kidev erTxel vambob, rom es<br />

ukve biujetis ekonomia ki araa,<br />

zedmeti xarjia misTvis am tipis<br />

damsaqmeblebis gamoisobiT, romlebic,<br />

ubralod, kanons ugulebelyofen.<br />

am fonze, „axalgazrda iuristTa<br />

asociaciis gancxadebiT”,<br />

saqarTvelos mTavrobis iniciativam<br />

sabiujeto saxsrebis Semcirebis<br />

Taobaze sajaro dawesebulebebSi<br />

SesaZloa, reorganizaciis<br />

safuZvelze Statebis<br />

masStaburad Semcireba gamoiwvios.<br />

aRniSnuli sakiTxis mimarT<br />

maRali sajaro interesidan<br />

gamomdinare, saias saWirod miaCnia,<br />

gaavrcelos organizaciis<br />

mimarT xSirad dasmul kiTxvebze<br />

pasuxebi.<br />

„qronika+” moqalaqeTaTvis<br />

am saWirboroto kiTxva-pasuxs<br />

ucvlelad gTavazobT.<br />

sajaro samsaxuridan ganTa-<br />

visufleba _ xSirad dasmuli<br />

kiTxvebi:<br />

warmodgenili informacia<br />

daexmareba sajaro moxeles, miiRos<br />

informacia sajaro samsaxuridan<br />

ganTavisuflebis safuZvlebis,<br />

procedurisa da ufleb-<br />

is dacvis meqanizmebis Taobaze.<br />

1. ra aris sajaro samsaxuridan<br />

ganTavisuflebis safuZvle-<br />

bi?<br />

„sajaro samsaxuris Sesaxeb”<br />

saqarTvelos kanonis me-10 Tavi<br />

aregulirebs sajaro samsaxuridan<br />

ganTavisuflebis sakiTxebs.<br />

sajaro moxele samsaxuridan Sei-<br />

Zleba ganTavisufldes Semdegi<br />

safuZvlebis arsebobisas:<br />

a) samsaxuris vadis gasvla;<br />

b) sakuTari iniciativis safuZvelze;<br />

g) dawesebulebis likvidacia;<br />

d) Statebis Semcireba;<br />

e) dakavebul TanamdebobasTan<br />

Seusabamoba;<br />

v) disciplinuri gadacdomis<br />

arseboba, rac iwvevs samsaxuridan<br />

ganTavisuflebas;<br />

z) xangrZlivi Sromisuunaroba;<br />

T) samxedro an alternatiul<br />

samsaxurSi gawveva;<br />

i) gamamtyunebeli ganaCenis<br />

ZalaSi Sesvla;<br />

k) samsaxurSi miRebisas dadgenili<br />

moTxovnis darRvevisaTvis;<br />

l) sxva dawesebulebaSi gadasvla;<br />

m) gardacvaleba;<br />

2. ras gulisxmobs sajaro<br />

dawesebulebis reorganizacia?<br />

„sajaro samsaxuris Sesaxeb”<br />

saqarTvelos moqmedi kanoni<br />

(1997 wlis) ar ganmartavs sajaro<br />

dawesebulebis reorganizacias<br />

da ar gansazRvravs reorganizaciis<br />

ganxorcielebis proceduras.<br />

Sesabamisad, sajaro dawesebulebebSi<br />

arsebobs gansxvavebuli<br />

midgomebi da araerTgvarovani<br />

praqtika reorganizaciis<br />

arsisa da ganxorcielebis Taobaze.<br />

„sajaro samsaxuris Sesaxeb”<br />

saqarTvelos axali kanonis Tanaxmad<br />

(ZalaSi Sedis 2017 wlis 1-<br />

li ivlisidan), „reorganizacia<br />

aris sajaro dawesebulebis instituciuri<br />

mowyobis Secvla,<br />

ris Sedegadac miiReba sajaro<br />

dawesebulebis nawilobriv an<br />

mTlianad axali struqtura. reorganizaciad<br />

miiCneva, agreTve,<br />

sajaro dawesebulebis Statebis<br />

gadaadgileba an/da Semcireba.<br />

reorganizaciad ar CaiTvleba<br />

sajaro dawesebulebis an misi<br />

struqturuli erTeulis mxolod<br />

daqvemdebarebis an saxelwodebis<br />

Secvla an/da sajaro<br />

dawesebulebis struqturuli<br />

erTeulisaTvis axali funqciis<br />

dakisreba”;<br />

3. ra SemTxvevaSi iwvevs reorganizacia<br />

sajaro moxelis sam-<br />

saxuridan ganTavisuflebas?<br />

„sajaro samsaxuris Sesaxeb”<br />

saqarTvelos moqmedi kanonis<br />

Tanaxmad, sajaro dawesebulebis<br />

reorganizacia iwvevs sajaro moxelis<br />

samsaxuridan ganTavisuflebas<br />

mxolod im SemTxvevaSi,<br />

rodesac reorganizacias Tan<br />

sdevs Statebis Semcireba. Tanam-<br />

SromelTa Semcireba dakavSire-<br />

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buli unda iyos sajaro dawesebulebaSi<br />

konkretuli Statis<br />

arsebobis saWiroebasTan, StatiT<br />

gansazRvruli funqciebisa da<br />

movaleobebis gaTvaliswinebiT.<br />

sajaro dawesebulebam Statebis<br />

Semcirebis gadawyvetilebis<br />

miRebisas unda warmoadginos<br />

Statebis Semcirebis dasabuTeba<br />

da ganmartos, Tu rogor aisaxeba<br />

mTlianad organizaciis struqturaze<br />

Statebis Semcireba.<br />

sajaro dawesebulebis reorganizaciisas,<br />

romelsac Tan<br />

sdevs Statebis Semcireba, sajaro<br />

dawesebulebis xelmZRvaneli<br />

uflebamosilia, Statebis Semcirebisas<br />

gaiTvaliswinos atestaciis<br />

Sedegebi, Tumca amis<br />

valdebuleba ar arsebobs. sajaro<br />

dawesebulebis xelmZRvanelma,<br />

Statebis Semcirebis SemTxvevaSi,<br />

TanamSromelTa ganTavisufleba<br />

ar unda moaxdinos Ser-<br />

CeviT, an raime saxis diskriminaciuli<br />

safuZvliT. sajaro dawesebulebas<br />

aseve ar aqvs valdebuleba,<br />

reorganizaciis gamo<br />

Statebis Semcirebis Sedegad ganTavisuflebul<br />

sajaro moxeles<br />

SesTavazos tolfas, an ufro<br />

dabal Tanamdebobaze gadasvla.<br />

„sajaro samsaxuris Sesaxeb”<br />

saqarTvelos axali kanonis safuZvelze,<br />

sajaro dawesebulebis<br />

reorganizaciis Sesaxeb gadawyvetileba<br />

dauyovnebliv unda<br />

ecnobos sajaro samsaxuris biuros,<br />

romelic valdebulia, me-<br />

Toduri daxmareba gauwios sajaro<br />

dawesebulebas. garda amisa,<br />

„sajaro samsaxuris Sesaxeb” saqarTvelos<br />

axali kanoni warmoadgens<br />

damatebiT garantiebs reorganizaciis<br />

Sedegad Statebis Semcirebis<br />

safuZvelze ganTavisuflebuli<br />

sajaro moxelis uflebebis<br />

dasacavad. sajaro dawesebulebis<br />

reorganizaciis gamo<br />

Statebis Semcirebisas, Sesabamisi<br />

sajaro moxele SesaZlebelia,<br />

misi TanxmobiT gadayvanil iqnas<br />

imave an sxva sajaro dawesebulebaSi<br />

misi Tanamdebobis tolfas<br />

Tanamdebobaze, xolo aseTi Tanamdebobis<br />

ararsebobisas _ dabal<br />

Tanamdebobaze, misi kompetenciis<br />

gaTvaliswinebiT.<br />

aRniSnuli miznis misaRwevad,<br />

sajaro dawesebuleba valdebulia<br />

iTanamSromlos biurosTan<br />

Tanamdebobidan gasaTavisuflebeli<br />

moxeleebis kompetenciis<br />

Sesabamisi Tanamdebobis moZiebisa<br />

da maTi xelaxali dasaqmebis<br />

mizniT. im SemTxvevaSi, Tuki sajaro<br />

moxeles ver daasaqmeben,<br />

igi Cairicxeba moxeleTa rezerv-<br />

Si da miecema kompensacia 3 Tvis<br />

bolo Tanamdebobrivi sargos<br />

odenobiT. Sesabamisad, mniSvnelovania,<br />

rom sajaro dawesebulebebSi,<br />

Statebis Semcirebis saWiroebis<br />

SemTxvevaSi, aRniSnuli<br />

ganxorcieldes „sajaro samsaxuris<br />

Sesaxeb” saqarTvelos axali<br />

kanonis ZalaSi Sesvlis Semdeg;<br />

3. ramdenad kanonieria xelmZRvaneli<br />

piris miTiTeba, sa-<br />

jaro moxelis mimarT piradi<br />

gancxadebis safuZvelze dato-<br />

vos samsaxuri?<br />

_ sajaro moxelis gancxadeba,<br />

sakuTari iniciativis safuZvelze<br />

datovos sajaro samsaxuri,<br />

unda warmoadgendes ganmcxadeblis<br />

Tavisufali nebis gamovlenas.<br />

dauSvebelia, xelmZRvaneli<br />

piris mier sajaro moxelis mimarT<br />

motyuebiT, iZulebiT, muqariT,<br />

samsaxurSi xelaxla daniSvnis<br />

dapirebiT piradi gancxadebis<br />

daweris moTxovna samsaxuris<br />

datovebis Taobaze.<br />

saqarTvelos sisxlis samarTlis<br />

kodeqsis 169-e muxlis Tanaxmad,<br />

„piris iZuleba, daweros<br />

gancxadeba sakuTari iniciativiT<br />

samuSaodan ganTavisuflebis<br />

Taobaze” warmoadgens danaSauls<br />

da isjeba jarimiT, an Tavisuflebis<br />

aRkveTiT vadiT or wlamde,<br />

Tanamdebobis dakavebis, an saqmianobis<br />

uflebis CamorTmeviT<br />

vadiT sam wlamde an uamisod.<br />

saqarTvelos uzenaesma sasamarTlom<br />

2014 wlis 18 Tebervlis<br />

gadawyvetilebaSi imsjela piradi<br />

gancxadebis safuZvelze sajaro<br />

moxeleTa ganTavisuflebis<br />

gazrdil tendenciasa da mankier<br />

praqtikaze. sasamarTlom piradi<br />

gancxadebis safuZvelze gan-<br />

Tavisufleba miiCnia sistemuri<br />

xasiaTis problemad: „sasamarTloSi<br />

davebis ganxilvisas sajaro<br />

moxeleebi acxadeben, rom gancxadebebi<br />

motyuebiT, iZulebiT,<br />

muqariT, samsaxurSi xelaxla<br />

daniSvnis dapirebiT daweres”.<br />

Sesabamisad, sasamarTlom sajaro<br />

dawesebulebebs mosTxova,<br />

rom sajaro moxelis mier gan-<br />

Tavisuflebis Taobaze piradi<br />

gancxadebis daweris SemTxvevaSi,<br />

gamoikvlios samsaxuridan wasvlis<br />

mizezi da, saWiroebisamebr,<br />

Caataros administraciuli warmoeba;<br />

4. ra SemTxvevaSi ar aris<br />

dasaSvebi sajaro moxelis sam-<br />

saxuridan ganTavisufleba?<br />

_ sajaro moxele ar SeiZleba<br />

ganTavisufldes samsaxuridan<br />

Statebis Semcirebis, an atestaciis<br />

Sedegebis gamo im drois<br />

ganmavlobaSi, rodesac misi samsaxurebrivi<br />

urTierTobebi Se-<br />

Cerebulia: anazRaurebad SvebulebaSi<br />

yofnisas; savaldebulo<br />

samxedro samsaxurSi gawvevis,<br />

saswavlo Sekrebis, rezervistTa<br />

mobilizaciis dros; saprezidento<br />

an warmomadgenlobi-<br />

Ti organoebis arCevnebSi kandidatad<br />

wamoyenebisas, garda kanoniT<br />

gaTvaliswinebuli SemTxvevebisa.<br />

sajaro moxele (qali) ar Sei-<br />

Zleba ganTavisufldes samsaxuridan<br />

orsulobis, an bavSvis 3<br />

wlis asakamde aRzrdis periodSi<br />

Statebis Semcirebis, xangrZlivi<br />

Sromisuunarobis, an janmrTelobis<br />

mdgomareobis, agreTve,<br />

atestaciis Sedegebis gamo;<br />

5. ra SemTxvevaSi da ramdeni<br />

xniT adre unda gaafrTxilos<br />

sajaro dawesebulebam moxele<br />

samsaxuridan ganTavisuflebis<br />

Taobaze?<br />

_ sajaro moxeles 1 TviT adre<br />

unda ecnobos sajaro dawesebulebis<br />

likvidaciis, Tanamdebobis<br />

Semcirebis, an atestaciis<br />

aradamakmayofilebeli Sedegebis<br />

gamo samsaxuridan ganTavisuflebis<br />

Taobaze;<br />

sajaro moxeles, xangrZlivi<br />

Sromisuunarobis gamo gan-<br />

Tavisuflebis SemTxvevaSi, werilobiT<br />

unda ecnobos ganTavisuflebamde<br />

2 kviriT adre mainc;<br />

6. ra SemTxvevaSi da odenobiT<br />

iRebs sajaro moxele kompensacias<br />

samsaxuridan ganTavisu-<br />

flebis gamo?<br />

_ sajaro moxeles dawesebulebis<br />

likvidaciis, an Statebis<br />

Semcirebis gamo samsaxuridan<br />

ganTavisuflebis SemTxvevaSi kompensaciis<br />

saxiT eZleva 2 (ori)<br />

Tvis Tanamdebobrivi sargo;<br />

sajaro moxeles janmrTelobis<br />

mdgomareobis, xangrZlivi<br />

Sromisuunarobis, samxedro, an<br />

alternatiul samsaxurSi gawvevis<br />

gamo samsaxuridan ganTavisuflebis<br />

SemTxvevaSi kompensaciis<br />

saxiT eZleva 1 (erTi) Tvis Tanamdebobrivi<br />

sargo;<br />

7. ra SeiZleba moimoqmedos<br />

ganTavisuflebulma sajaro<br />

moxelem samsaxuridan gan-<br />

Tavisuflebis SemTxvevaSi saku-<br />

Tari uflebebis dasacavad?<br />

_ samsaxuridan ganTavisuflebis<br />

SemTxvevaSi moxeles<br />

ufleba aqvs, kanonmdeblobiT<br />

dadgenili wesiT 1 (erTi) Tvis<br />

ganmavlobaSi mimarTos sasamarTlos<br />

da moiTxovos ganTavisuflebis<br />

ukanonod cnoba, gan-<br />

Tavisuflebis safuZvlis Secvla<br />

da Tanamdebobrivi sargos anazRaureba.<br />

moxeles, aseve, ufleba<br />

aqvs, amave vadaSi gaasaCivros<br />

sasamarTloSi samsaxurebriv sakiTxebze<br />

gamocemuli brZaneba,<br />

gankarguleba, gadawyvetileba,<br />

agreTve, moqmedeba.<br />

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mecxre gverdidan<br />

- maSinac vsaubrobdi amaze, magram,<br />

ra Tqma unda, aravin momismina.<br />

ki batono, baTumis dayenebis<br />

ufleba aqvs. ratom daayena? imitom,<br />

rom baTumi ki ar ainteresebs,<br />

ZiriTadad, am yvelafers Turquli<br />

reisiT aformebs. TurqeTis reisSi<br />

rom midis, baTumis mgzavri mihyavs.<br />

_ amaSi ra interesi devs?<br />

_ saerTaSoriso gadazidva imas<br />

niSnavs, rom mgzavroba iwyeba erTi<br />

qveynidan da mTavrdeba meore qveyanaSi.<br />

pirdapir weria sagadasaxado<br />

kodeqsSi: qmedeba, romelic iwyeba<br />

aq da mTavrdeba sxvagan, dRg-sgan<br />

ganTavisuflebulia. CaTvaleT,<br />

rom es kaci dRg-sgan absoluturad<br />

ganTavisuflebulia. es Tavisufleba<br />

mas imis saSualebas aniWebs,<br />

rom bileTis fasi rogorc unda,<br />

ise aTamaSos. axla kanonSi meore<br />

rame weria, rom arsebobs dempinguri<br />

fasi, romelic gamoangariSebulia<br />

raRac formulebiT da normaluri,<br />

saRi gonebis adamians, rom<br />

manqanam aqedan aqamde imoZraos da<br />

imaze nakleb fasad, ubralod, manqana<br />

ver imoZravebs, mas am dempingur<br />

fass kaciSvili ar sTxovs,<br />

rogorc unda, ise aregulirebs.<br />

sxvaTa Soris, es zogierT sxva gadamzidavzec<br />

vrceldeba. es yvelaferi<br />

galifma kargad gamoiyena, ba-<br />

Tumzec dadis, magram TurqeTs<br />

Sirmad iyenebs. axla axali marSruti<br />

moigona da erevani-baTumi gaxsna,<br />

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pirdapir eka beseliasken gaiSvira xeli da<br />

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TiTqos keTili Jestia, magram<br />

roca sistemur problemazea laparaki,<br />

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rames vityvi: saxelmwifom arc dRg<br />

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_ sakanonmdeblo xarvezTanac<br />

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rac Turqebma bulgarelebTan<br />

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wagebaze imuSaves da mere rogorc<br />

ki bulgarelebi bazridan gamoagdes,<br />

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mgluri principi, visac<br />

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mSieri ar darCes!<br />

_ gamosavali?<br />

_ yvela unda iyos kanonmor-<br />

Cili. vinc kanons arRvevs, sadac<br />

ra daaSava, daviWerdi. im kacma ki,<br />

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Cven axla erT sferoze vsaubrobT<br />

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situaciaa...<br />

lavrenti alania _ transpor-<br />

tis profkavSirebis xelmZRvane-<br />

li:<br />

_ 2006 wlis Semdeg, rodesac<br />

kaxa benduqiZe ekonomikis ministri<br />

iyo, gauqmda kanoni transportis<br />

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xdeba da misi regulireba mxolod<br />

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rigSi, azaralebs zugdidel<br />

mZRolebsa da maT ojaxebs, radgan<br />

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sakmaod didi maCveneblis pirobeb-<br />

Si, mosaxleobis didi nawili<br />

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irCens Tavs.<br />

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"metros"<br />

administraciasTan<br />

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uSedegod. organizaciis fil-<br />

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rom ar ician xelmZRvaneli pirebis<br />

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aRmoCnda aseve zugdid-<br />

Si organizaciis xelmZRvanelis,<br />

vaxtang kakulias nomeri. "qroni-<br />

ka+" foTis mers irakli kakuliasac<br />

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Tan saubarze uari ganacxada da<br />

Setyobineba gamogvigzavna, rom am<br />

sakiTxze komentars ar akeTebs.<br />

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me-19 gverdidan<br />

- ho, kidev, gamwarebulma es br-<br />

Zana: CemTvis miSa damTavrdao”..<br />

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parlamentis tribunazea aqtualuri.<br />

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fasadaa miRebuli?! isini arafriT<br />

daTmoben am skamebs da Tu<br />

maia orjonikiZe:<br />

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rac miSas gverdze gaatara.<br />

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qarizma, Semdeg imis gulwrfeli<br />

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ki nebelobis nasaxi ar atyvia,<br />

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vTqvaT.<br />

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la. amas wers igive xuxaSvilic da<br />

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rogorc demokratiis instru-<br />

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aseT dros arc jari esvris saku-<br />

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gulia mustafaeva - sikeTe<br />

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36<br />

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_ momiyeviT Tqvens organizaciaze,<br />

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anebuli?<br />

_ Cems organizaciaSi gawevri-<br />

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qalisgan, romelic bednieria!<br />

anebis ufleba nebismieri erovnebisa<br />

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jer.<br />

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_ gurmani xarT?<br />

_ ki, TiTqmis yvela qveynis<br />

samzareulos vicnob. ZiriTadad,<br />

qarTul saWmelebs vakeTeb: sacivi,<br />

aCma, gozinayi, yvelaferi<br />

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saubari, azerbaijanul, somxur<br />

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vcxovrobT, Tumca ebraul<br />

qadebs da lobianebsac vamzadeb<br />

araCveulebrivs.<br />

_ risi imedi gaqvT?<br />

_ imis, rom Cveni saqarTvelo<br />

ayvavdeba, radgan imsaxurebs, saqarTvelo<br />

yovelTvis kulturiT<br />

maRali iyo. imedi maqvs, rom mSvidoba<br />

iqneba da bednierebi iqnebian<br />

Cveni qarTvelebi da ara gaWirvebulebi.<br />

minda, erTad davdgeT,<br />

Cven unda viyoT Cveni samSoblos<br />

patronebi, gavakeToT yvelaferi<br />

erTad. ar vTqvaT, me ar mexeba da<br />

ar mainteresebso.<br />

yuranSi weria, Tu Seni mezobeli<br />

mSieria, Sen rogor unda daiZino?<br />

_ sul ase varT, yvelas satkivari<br />

gvtkiva. dedasgan gadmogvedo,<br />

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igive, yvelas satkivarze<br />

stkivaT maTac, isinic modian da<br />

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maqvs, rom yvelaferi kargad iqneba.<br />

_ ra iqneba Tqveni saTqmeli<br />

sazogadoebisTvis?<br />

_ viyoT aqtiurebi, SevqmnaT<br />

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ar viyoT. ar miyvars es boroteba<br />

da Suri. madloba RmerTs, yvela<br />

Tavisufalia saqarTveloSi da<br />

yvelafris gakeTeba SeuZlia. nu<br />

hgonia vinmes, rom gaWirvebas ver<br />

vxedavT da Zalian mdidari var.<br />

roca minda raimes gakeTeba,<br />

maSin vakeTeb, amas imitom vlaparakob<br />

da suraTebs imitom vdeb,<br />

rom vinme daexmaros. amboben xolme,<br />

RmerTi uSveloso, magram marto<br />

RmerTi ver uSvelis, Cvenc<br />

unda davudgeT gverdiT, Seqmnili<br />

unda SevinarCunoT da ar davangrioT.<br />

ar davkargoT is stumarTmoyvareoba,<br />

rac sul iyo aq da ganvviTardeT,<br />

viyoT qarTvelebi da<br />

ase vicxovroT, ratom unda mivba-<br />

ZoT sul sxvas, roca bevri Rirebuli<br />

ram Cveni gvaqvs, unda viyoT<br />

myarad da momavlis imedi<br />

gvqondes.<br />

meidanze, somxuri eklesiis<br />

ezoSi davtove warmoSobiT azerbaijaneli<br />

qarTveli gulia mus-<br />

tafaeva, romelic studentebis,<br />

yvela erovnebis qalis da, saer-<br />

Tod, nebismieri adamianis dax-<br />

marebisTvis mudam mzadaa.<br />

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zamTris Tasi saqarTveloSi rCeba<br />

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`zamTris Tasis~ or turnirs<br />

umaspinZla – erTSi qarTuli<br />

klubebi monawileobdnen, meoreSi<br />

ki veteranebisgan dakompleqtebuli<br />

nakrebebi. `zamTris Tasi~ erTi<br />

wlis win tragikulad daRupuli<br />

qarTveli safexburTo funqcioneris,<br />

daviT petriaSvilis xsovnas<br />

mieZRvna.<br />

daviwyoT veteranebiT, sadac<br />

mayurebelma araerTi cnobili<br />

figura ixila. jer saqarTvelos<br />

nakrebis Semadgenloba CamovTvaloT:<br />

giorgi lomaia, daviT gvaramaZe,<br />

aleqsandre amisulaSvili,<br />

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mixeil yavelaSvili, mamuka<br />

maWavariani. unda eTamaSa kaxa<br />

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travmis gamo, iZulebuli<br />

gaxda, megobrebisTvis saTadarigoTa<br />

skamidan eqomaga.<br />

saqarTvelos nakrebis garda<br />

`zamTris Tasze~ iTamaSes espaneTis,<br />

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da uefas veteranTa gundebma.<br />

eqvsi gundi or jgufad gaiyo.<br />

saqarTvelos nakrebi naxevarfinalSi<br />

damajereblad gavida da iq<br />

erovnuli nakrebi -<br />

ianvris testebi axlovdeba<br />

araerTi Zveli varskvlaviT (xuan<br />

kapdevila, markos sena, serxi barxuani,<br />

xose amaviska, xuan sanCesi,<br />

salva balesta, xuanfrani da sxvebi)<br />

dakompleqtebul espaneTs dramatul<br />

brZolaSi 6:5 ajoba da finalSi<br />

gavida, sadac maspinZelTa<br />

metoqe ukraina iyo.<br />

gadamwyvet brZolaSi Cvenma veteranebma<br />

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daamarcxes ukrainis nakrebi. mat-<br />

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kobiaSvili, erTi goli ki generalurma<br />

mdivanma daviT mujirma<br />

gaitana.<br />

finalis dasrulebis Semdeg<br />

dajildoebis sazeimo ceremoniali<br />

gaimarTa. gamovlindnen turniris<br />

gamorCeuli moTamaSeebi. saukeTeso<br />

fexburTelad ukrainis nakrebis<br />

wevri sergei nagorniaki<br />

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goliT aleqsandre iaSvili gaxda;<br />

saukeTeso mekared ki uefas gundis<br />

wevri noel muni aRiares. espanel<br />

xuan kapdevilas sapatio<br />

prizi, turniris yvelaze titulovani<br />

fexburTelisTvis dawesebuli<br />

jildo gadaeca – es logikuricaa,<br />

radgan igi `zamTris Tasze~<br />

monawileTagan erTaderTi iyo,<br />

romelmac aqtiuri safexburTo<br />

karierisas msoflios Cempionis<br />

tituli moigo.<br />

manamde ki `zamTris Tasi~ saqarTvelos<br />

umaRlesi da pirveli<br />

ligis klubebs Soris gaimarTa. 16<br />

monawile oTx jgufad gaiyo da<br />

sabolood, finalamde `dinamo<br />

Tbilisi~ da pirvelligeli `gagra~<br />

mividnen. iq ki moulodnelad,<br />

`gagram~ gaimarjva – 6:4. `zamTris<br />

Tasis~ 2017 wlis gaTamaSebis saukeTeso<br />

fexburTelad gagreli giorgi<br />

qurdaZe dasaxelda, bombardiri<br />

ki dinamoeli saba lobJaniZe<br />

gaxda.<br />

oqriaSvili wlis<br />

saukeTeso fexburTelia<br />

qarTulma safexburTo samyarom 2016<br />

sezonis saukeTeso bombardirma giorgi<br />

weli Seajama da sxvadasxva nominaciaSi<br />

qviliTaiam (dinamo Tbilisi, 24 goli),<br />

saukeTesoebi gamoavlina. yvelaze sain-<br />

gardamavali Cempionatis bombardirma<br />

tereso is iyo, vin gaxdeboda qveynis wlis<br />

budu zivzivaZem (samtredia, 13 goli),<br />

saqarTvelos erovnuli safexburTo<br />

nakrebi ianvarSi or amxanagur Sexvedras<br />

gamarTavs. raki ianvari sanakrebo Tve ar<br />

aris, ucxouri klubebis didi nawili fex-<br />

burTelebis argaSvebis uflebas itovebs<br />

da amitomac, Cveni erovnuli gundi eqs-<br />

perimentuli SemadgenlobiT iTamaSebs.<br />

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bevr axalgazrda qarTvel fexbur-<br />

Tels eqneba da Tavis gamoCenis SemTxveva-<br />

Si, erovnul gundSi damkvidrebasac<br />

araerTi maTgani SeZlebs.<br />

23 ianvars saqarTvelos nakrebi uzb-<br />

ekeTis erovnul gunds daupirispirdeba,<br />

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saqarTvelos nakrebi 21 ianvars gaemgza-<br />

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amxanaguri TamaSebisTvis 16 ianvridan<br />

TbilisSi emzadeba.<br />

vaisis mier gamoZaxebul fexburTel-<br />

Ta sia ki aseTia:<br />

mekareebi: roin kvasxvaZe (torpedo,<br />

quTaisi), omar migineiSvili (samtredia),<br />

oTar goSaZe (saburTalo, Tbilisi);<br />

mcvelebi: Tornike grigalaSvili (Cix-<br />

ura, saCxere), Tedore grigalaSvili<br />

(saburTalo, Tbilisi), giorgi rexviaSvili<br />

(lokomotivi, Tbilisi), giorgi qi-<br />

maZe (torpedo, quTaisi), daviT xoWolava<br />

(Cernomoreci, ukraina), laSa SergelaSvili<br />

(rigasi, latvia), uCa lobJaniZe (atirau,<br />

yazaxeTi), jimi tabiZe (genti, bel-<br />

gia);<br />

naxevarmcvelebi: oTar kiteiSvili, ba-<br />

Cana arabuli, saba lobJaniZe, giorgi pap-<br />

unaSvili (yvela _ dinamo Tbilisi), beqa<br />

tuRuSi, oleg mamasaxlisi (orive – torpedo,<br />

quTaisi), Temur Sonia (dinamo, ba-<br />

Tumi), giorgi ganugrava (Cixura, saCxere),<br />

giorgi xaraiSvili (saburTalo, Tbilisi);<br />

Tavdamsxmelebi: lado dvaliSvili<br />

(atirau, yazaxeTi), budu zivzivaZe (samt-<br />

redia).<br />

saukeTeso fexburTeli. varaudobdnen,<br />

rom es wodeba Tornike oqriaSvilisa da<br />

jano ananiZis `dapirispirebaSi~ gamovlindeboda.<br />

sabolood, gamokiTxvis Sedege-<br />

biT, gamarjveba da prizi oqriaSvils xvda<br />

wilad. oqriaSvilisTvis ganvlili weli-<br />

wadi nayofieri gamodga saqarTvelos<br />

erovnul nakrebSic da rusul `krasno-<br />

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erovnuli Cempionatis saukeTeso fex-<br />

burTeli: budu zivzivaZe<br />

erovnuli Cempionatis saukeTeso qali<br />

fexburTeli: lana gorgaZe<br />

futsalis saukeTeso moTamaSe: zviad<br />

kupataZe<br />

saukeTeso mwvrTneli: gia cecaZe<br />

saukeTeso msaji: giorgi vadaWkoria<br />

saukeTeso axalgazrda fexburTeli:<br />

qalTa erovnuli Cempionatis bombardirma<br />

nino WuWulaSvilma (xaSuris iveria, 16<br />

goli) da 2016 wlis saukeTeso golis av-<br />

torma nika maisuraZem (Sevardeni 1906).<br />

fexburTis ganviTarebaSi Setanili gansakuTrebuli<br />

wvlilisTvis sapatio jil-<br />

dos mflobeli gaxda beqa oSxereli,<br />

romelic fexburTis mxardaWerisTvis<br />

Tbilisidan ambrolaurSi gadavida da<br />

maRalmTian regionSi bavSvTa fexburTis<br />

popularizacis uwyobs xels.<br />

bavSvTa fexburTis ganviTarebisTvis<br />

specialuri jildo gadaeca onis sports-<br />

kolis direqtor ermile CitalaZes da<br />

cagerSi bavSvTa safexburTo klub `xvam-<br />

lis~ warmomadgenel porfile kopalians.<br />

masobrivi fexburTis ganviTarebaSi Setanili<br />

wvlilisTvis sapatio jildo gadaeca<br />

kompania `koka kolas~. aseve, special-<br />

uri jildoebi gadaeca arasamTavrobo<br />

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jansaRi da naTeli momavlisaTvis~ da<br />

oTar kiteiSvili<br />

bavSvTa safexburTo klub `uoriorss~,<br />

specialuri prizebi miiRes saqarTve-<br />

romelic gansakuTrebuli saWiroebebis<br />

gverdi moamzada levan janezaSvilma<br />

los erovnuli Cempionatis 2015-2016 wlis<br />

mqone bavSvebs aerTianebs.<br />

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maSin lamis mTeli saqarTvelo<br />

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da mxolod gulSematkivarTa<br />

xmebis mixedviT ar wydeba, vin iTamaSebs<br />

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– gulSematkivarTa xmebs mxolod<br />

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ki specialuri Jiurisa da Tavad<br />

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meore Sualeduri Sedegebis mixedvi,<br />

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rac Seexeba gamokiTxvis Sualedur<br />

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aRmosavleT konferencia, Semtevebi:<br />

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2. ianis antetokunmpo (miluoki),<br />

3. kevin lavi (klivlendi), 4.<br />

joel embidi (filadelfia), 5. jimi<br />

batleri (Cikago);<br />

aRmosavleT konferencia, mcvelebi:<br />

1. kairi irvingi (klivlendi),<br />

2. duein ueidi (Cikago), 3. demar<br />

derozani (toronto), 4. aizia<br />

tomasi (bostoni), kail lovri<br />

(toronto);<br />

dasavleT konferencia, Semtevebi:<br />

1. kevin duranti (golden<br />

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2. jeims hardeni (hiustoni), 3. rasel<br />

vestbruki (oklahoma), 4. klei<br />

tompsoni (golden steiti), 5. kris<br />

poli (los-anjeles leikersi).<br />

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safexburTo<br />

revolucia _ 48<br />

gundi msoflios<br />

Cempionatze<br />

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Canafiqrs maleve Seasxa xorci – gadawyda, rom 2026<br />

2017 wlis ivnisSi saqarTvelos erovnuli saragbo na-<br />

wlidan mundialze 32-is nacvlad, 48 gundi iTamaSebs.<br />

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okeanis gaRma qarTvelebi jer CrdiloeTs ewvevian da 10<br />

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ivniss kanadis, xolo 17-Si aSS-is winaaRmdeg iTamaSeben.<br />

ani varianti gaitana.<br />

amis Semdeg milton heigis Segirdebi samxreTSi gadain-<br />

arsebobs gonivruli eWvi, rom 48-gundiani mundiali<br />

acvleben da pirveli donis gunds _ argentinas Sexvde-<br />

sanaxaobriv da xarisxobriv mxares dabla daswevs, magram<br />

bian.<br />

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Seavsebs. msoflio fexburTis mmarTveli organos Semo-<br />

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ba.<br />

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Seexeba mundialis formats – 48 nakrebi 16 samdasTan<br />

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ori saukeTeso gava. garigebuli matCe-<br />

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bis Tavidan asacileblad, SesaZloa, jgufur etapze fre<br />

argentina meore iyo pirveli donis qveynebidan, visac<br />

ar dafiqsirdes da saWiroebis SemTxvevaSi, gamarjvebu-<br />

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li TerTmetmetrianebis seriam gamoavlinos.<br />

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jer ar garkveula, rogor gadanawildeba kontinentebs<br />

vdiT msoflio Tasis jgufur etapze (2007, 2011, 2015) da<br />

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samjerve davmarcxdiT. samjer veTamaSeT argentinis `a~<br />

amjeradac ganawyenebulebi darCebian da gafarToebul<br />

nakrebsac, saidanac orjer movugeT.<br />

mundialze, maqsimum, sami adgili daematebaT.<br />

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xelburTis erovnulma nakrebma meore matCic waago<br />

luqsemburgTan, amjerad metoqis moedanze _ 29:35. manamde<br />

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lia da luqsemburgi ibrZoleben, xolo saqarTvelos<br />

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dan~ Seecdeba.<br />

bolo matCSi saqarTvelos nakrebis Semadgenlobidan<br />

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maspinZlebma pirveli taimi 8:13 moiges, Sesvenebis<br />

Sedeg TamaSSi kargad CaerTo mekare toronjaZe, ramac<br />

saSualeba mogvca, orjer samamde Segvemcirebina sxvao-<br />

ba (23:26, 27:30), magram meti veRar movaxerxeT.<br />

Celenj trofi 2017 wlis ivnisSi gaimarTeba da evro-<br />

2020-is mTavari SesarCevi etapis bolo sagzuri gaTamaSdeba.<br />

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ori marcxis Semdeg axalgazrdebze gakeTda aqcen-<br />

ti, radganac `Celenj trofize~ moTamaSeTa asaki 25<br />

wliT iqneba SezRuduli.<br />

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